Justice Minister Warns Against 'Macho' Defiance On Prisoner Votes

Mcnally Prisoner Votes

First Posted: 06/07/11 20:14 BST Updated: 05/09/11 11:12 BST   PA

PRESS ASSOCIATION -- Defying European judges over giving the vote to prisoners may look "macho" but would weaken the United Kingdom's ability to put pressure on other countries, a justice minister said.

Lord McNally, who is also the leader of Liberal Democrat peers, warned against refusing to implement the ruling from the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) and signalled his support for giving prisoners the vote.

The Government is still deciding whether to comply with an ECHR ruling that it was unlawful to prevent all prisoners from voting.

Earlier this year, following a debate initiated by Labour ex-home secretary Jack Straw and Tory ex-minister David Davis, MPs voted overwhelmingly to oppose the ECHR decision, which the previous government also avoided implementing.

Lord McNally told peers at question time: "It all looks rather macho to say we are going to defy the courts, but one of the real benefits of the convention over the last 60 years has been that it has levered up respect for human rights right across Europe.

"If I, or any of my noble friends, or any of the Opposition meet people from, let's say, marginal observers of human rights and put pressure on them our words won't carry much weight if they are able to say 'well when it got tough for you to accept the decisions you didn't accept them'."

Labour former MP Lord Anderson of Swansea had said that although there may be a case for delaying the ruling there was "no case whatsoever for defying the court as it seems a number of Members of the Commons want to do".

"What sort of precedent would that give to defaulting members such as Turkey and Russia?" he asked.

And Labour's Baroness Lister of Buttersett asked: "Do you agree that if we deny all prisoners one of the most basic rights of citizenship - that is the vote - they are less likely to fulfil their responsibilities of citizenship on release?"

Lord McNally told her: "It is an opinion that, quite frankly, I share. Perhaps you could come down the corridor with me (to the Commons) and we will try and convince David Davis and Jack Straw."

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Freddie27
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07:23 PM on 07/07/2011
The right to choose who governs you is a freedom you never lose, no matter how terrible the crime.
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11:38 PM on 07/06/2011
Prisoners should be encouraged to vote. They tend to come from socially excluded groups anyway and if they are to be accepted into society upon release then it's important that they have a sense of responsibility, which also means rights. The two go together.

Stigmatizing people with criminal records is counter-productive as it prevents rehabilitation.
10:22 PM on 07/06/2011
They should all follow the lead of the US. Imprison ten times the people they imprison now and then turn them into slaves by making them work for free. - And slaves - as anyone knows - have no rights so they can not vote. The US is going ahead and the world has to follow because imprisoning one percent of the population and turning them into slaves is big business. - And our holy lord and masterdemands human sacrifices so profits grow.
01:46 PM on 07/09/2011
I worked as a slave until May 31st this year.

Does that count?