NHS Services To Be Opened Up To Competition

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First Posted: 19/07/11 17:09 BST Updated: 18/09/11 11:12 BST

The Guardian :

More than £1bn of NHS services are to be opened to competition from private companies and charities, including wheelchair services for children.

The government will open up more than £1bn of NHS services to competition from private companies and charities, the health secretary announced today, increasing fears that it will inevitably lead to the "privatisation of the health service".

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More than £1bn of NHS services are to be opened to competition from private companies and charities, including wheelchair services for children. The government will open up more than £1bn of NHS ...
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
07:14 PM on 07/24/2011
This is part of a big drive to first 'privatize' services and then make it an 'insurance for services.' 

Privatization has worked out so well - think Southern Cross.  But this political move makes the corporations happy, the politicians richer and the regular people moving up the river slowly...

The endgame is that the then-privatized delivery of services becomes 'for-profit insurance for services.'  That's when the politicians take away the paddle.

Don't let them do it, Britain.  Look at the US, because that's where you're heading.
02:23 PM on 07/20/2011
Is it really that hard;
free market and competition is good when you need to make an economy rich in say finance or trade because profit is the main motive. But with public services when quality and people are above profit, then the democractically accountable public sector is the one to use.
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Tim Haselden
An Enemy of Rupert Murdoch, since 1984.
09:50 AM on 07/20/2011
They won't get a chance, The GP's , The Hospital consultants are against it, The nursing unions are against it, hell not even the Hospital managers are for this.
So much for : "The NHS is safe with us." mind you he didn't know about Andy Coulsons' past history as well.(if you believe that). A recent straw pole asked "What would cause you to take to the streets like the people in the middle east?" The result was surprising, "Any attempt to dismantle the NHS." So go ahead Dave, that's if you're STILL in charge by the start of October.
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Yorksgal
'Conservative Christian' is a complete oxymoron.
12:28 AM on 07/20/2011
Well, the Cons have been wanting this for a long time, but believe me it will be a BIG, BIG mistake.

The only people who will profit are those private insurance companies, while the poor old NHS will be treated like the red headed step child and given all those cases for which it would cost the insurance companies money.

Whoever came up with this idea needs to be drummed out of office and quickly.
KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
11:50 PM on 07/19/2011
Gee, why not invite Blue Cross Blue Shield over to demonstrate just how much 'better' the US for profit system is?


Keep the NHS 100% non-profit at all costs!!
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cigi
10:43 PM on 07/19/2011
Gee, Britain will just be a real look-alike of America soon. Privatization never works and it never is cheap. Contractors have far different rules with the Government than they do the people with the Government. Look for drug costs, procedure cost, treatments of any kind to sky rocket out of sight as the private insurers get ready to skin the people England. Good luck and cheerio'!
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carlgt1
09:40 PM on 07/19/2011
oh jeez, yeah, because it worked so well to privitise "BritRail"....
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Tim Haselden
An Enemy of Rupert Murdoch, since 1984.
10:43 AM on 07/20/2011
Yeah reduced trains, higher ticket prices, bigger bonuses for the operators. And even Beardie Branson met his match, up till Virgin Trains he was known for being a success, after he was a byword for incompetence.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
09:35 PM on 07/19/2011
This is just a scam to pad the pockets of people connected to the Conservatives, not improve the efficiency of anything.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
09:33 PM on 07/19/2011
Privatization of Government contracts leads to Fraud and Abuse and some rich CEOS. It has NEVER been shown to reduce costs. If it did, there would be no profits, their job is to reduce benefits and skim off as much as they can, no more, no less.
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
08:23 PM on 07/19/2011
Freemarket competition is the ONLY way to lower costs. Look at Plastic Surgery, government won't pay for it, Insurance won't pay for it, so it's a cash only business that has attracted so many Doctors, the competition has forced lower prices. The ONLY segment of healthcare going DOWN in costs. Government ONLY has a history & track record of INCREASING costs.
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09:14 PM on 07/19/2011
Really? Is that why in the US Medicare operates at 1/3 the cost of private insurance?
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
05:49 AM on 07/20/2011
TOTAL PROFITS for health insurance companies $8 billion
FRAUD in Medicare/ Medicaid $106 BILLION.
You do the math.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
09:31 PM on 07/19/2011
ROFL.

Privatization under Government contract has NEVER been shown to reduce costs and only adds layers of FAT where people at the top make FAR MORE than any government worker and the shareholders get the skimmed off profits while care delivered is REDUCED.

Plastic Surgery is the LAST field in medicine to tout the benefits of privatization as the VAST majority of surgeries are COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY and by their very definition are a WASTE OF MONEY.
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
05:50 AM on 07/20/2011
So you chose to completely ignore how competition works in a free market ?
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ThomasPaine1776
Left is right; Right is wrong
08:03 PM on 07/19/2011
PLEASE, England. Don't blow THIS one. You have the best healthcare model in the world. Keep profit-seekers OUT of hospitals.

Don't be like US, in your former colonies, (we never should have rebelled, by the way. Sorry bout that) where even those that are "covered" by private health care companies, get DROPPED as soon as they put in a claim. 1 out of 5 Californians reported being "Excised", aka, dropped from their contracts after putting in a claim. 20%. The corporate stooges who work for them and do the actual identifying of patients and do the actual cutting off of services actually get REWARDED for having done so. The more patients that you cut, the higher the reward.

Life here in America is a living nightmare.

The number one cause of bankruptcy in America is Medical bills.

If you guys need an American history teacher, who can also teach world history pretty darn good (I learned from the best: Simon Schama) give me a call. I'll be over there just as fast as i can swim there.
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Matthew Harrold
Huzzah!
11:21 PM on 07/19/2011
Well it's not the best, but it's a damned site fairer then the U.S version.
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farmerlady
Blonde, Democratic socialist, and unwilling expat
07:22 PM on 07/19/2011
The comments over at the Guardian are worth a read. Especially the one about children's wheelchairs being treated as investment vehicles.

We're so used to thinking health care should be for-profit that we don't even question treating children's wheelchairs as commodities. The Brits don't have that mentality. Yet.
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Matthew Harrold
Huzzah!
11:19 PM on 07/19/2011
Most of us don't want to think of it that way, but as ever the wealthy want a bigger slice of the cake. If we end up like the U.S then I will cry my heart out as I leave this country for better shores. I love this place, even for all it's faults, and we should be finding our own path in the world.
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Tim Haselden
An Enemy of Rupert Murdoch, since 1984.
11:34 AM on 07/20/2011
My sentiments also,
For the best part of 20 years I've served this country as regular and reservist in the Army, in places as diverse as Kuwait, Bosnia,Kosovo,Sierra Leone, Iraq & Afganistan. I love this country, for all it's flaws and it has many.
It upsets me deeply that we are becoming a "Little America", not culturally more the fact everything that defined us as a fair country is being torn away, Free school meals have be removed in some areas, The removal of the universal education grant, the introduction of tuiton fees, the call to start charging patients to visit their GPs. This IS all wrong.
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farmerlady
Blonde, Democratic socialist, and unwilling expat
07:19 PM on 07/19/2011
Perfect moment to shove in the thin edge of the wedge, while everyone is watching Rupe. Maddening.
07:19 PM on 07/19/2011
Its only a matter of time before this happens in the US. Too bad it will take 10 years of slow decline for us to realize it.
07:04 PM on 07/19/2011
one entity controlling all is bad for the consumer, no matter how those spinsters try to sway you.
08:54 PM on 07/19/2011
Keep your FreeDUMB confined to the states, we do not want your ignorance on this side of the pond.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
09:38 PM on 07/19/2011
Apparently you are unfamiliar with the fraud and abuse of Defense Contractors.

If there is a Government Contract to provide anything, it will be of lower quality than if the Government administered it themselves. That is the truth of History.
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Tim Haselden
An Enemy of Rupert Murdoch, since 1984.
10:56 AM on 07/20/2011
You only have to look at the Hospital cleaning contracts. This was in 1992, back under the last Tory administration. They privatised hygeine services, or more accurately took them out of of hospital hands.
Result, MRSA Levels shot through the roof, because the private companies were fly by night affairs & there was no clear chain of command. In fact in one hospital nearby, the cleaning company was a front for a local Albanian gang, who were robbing equipment from the hospital while failing to clean it.