These Are Not Race Riots, Says Demos

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First Posted: 08/08/11 19:07 BST Updated: 08/10/11 11:12 BST

The Tottenham riot and subsequent outbreaks of looting are not the products of racial tensions, a leading researcher has told The Huffington Post.

According to Max Wind-Cowie, head of the Progressive Conservatism Project at the left-leaning think-tank Demos, the riots are more a product of cultural inequality. In short, how people are brought up.

“This is just unchecked anti-social behaviour,” says Wind-Cowie. “And it’s not localised to London. A feature of many deprived communities in the UK is a poor level of parenting, which manifests itself as mistrust towards authority. The only way to get round this is by instilling proper values in children.

“There seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to run to race to ascribe blame. This is not about race at all. The rioters themselves are not uniformly black or Asian, but they do have commonalities. As David Lamie [MP for Tottenham] pointed out, the vast majority of people came from outside Tottenham. It was petty criminal gangs.

“Relations between police and the black community have improved immeasurably over the past 15 years. It’s about young people raised with contempt for authority.

“This contempt then spreads to the community, who resent the criminals, then begin to resent the police who they perceive as only being around when something major happens.

Wind-Cowie is equally clear on the best way to deal with the problem:

“It won’t be solved by ringing hands about whether there are enough youth clubs. The Police need to target the anti-social behaviour that has been escalating in everyday life.”

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The Tottenham riot and subsequent outbreaks of looting are not the products of racial tensions, a leading researcher has told The Huffington Post. According to Max Wind-Cowie, head of the Progressi...
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Andrew FingerlickingGree
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11:37 PM on 08/09/2011
"Its not about race... its about cultural inequality"

Ok, I accept that. But this cultural inequality stems from the haves and the haves not. Its hard for parents to instill values in their children when they are out working one or two jobs or raising their children in a single parent household.

This cultural inequality stems from social and economic inequality.
11:33 PM on 08/09/2011
Yes they are, who are you kidding?
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06:58 PM on 08/09/2011
nice try.
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StormWarrior
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05:44 PM on 08/09/2011
JessCostello .696 Fans

Become a fan Unfan .23 hours ago (1:25 PM) Oddly enough, the riots in Wisconsin WERE about race and HuffPo refuses to cover the story.

http://www­.jsonline.­com/news/m­ilwaukee/1­26828998.h­tml

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HP didn't cover this story either, but then again I'm sure your indignations or sympathies won't be as forthcoming.

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06:12 PM on 08/09/2011
They don't cover the increasing black on white violence, either.
01:12 PM on 08/09/2011
Bad parenting???? how about a lot of these youths have no jobs/prospects and too too much idle time on their hands, most can see this coming while some want to blame it on other reasons.
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Roy Fowler
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07:55 AM on 08/09/2011
Firstly, I live in the UK, I, along with 99% of the population have no need of having any specific "policy" or "care" needed between myself and the police.Yet some areas feel that they need specific handling? Why?

Lets face it, the police are essentially a "reaction" force for most of us, in that we only see or need them in response when something happens. I have no daily contact with them, and i have never used the police as a reason to hurt others or damage others property.

Lets get this right. Some unemployed (mainly) young men decided they could get away with smashing and stealing from their local community without getting any bother from the police....so they went for it. These are simply scum who care for no one other than themselves, care nothing for their community and simply see the chance to kick a few windows in and rob as something to brighten their otherwise meaningless lives.
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07:00 PM on 08/09/2011
u have problem with central london being 7/8 third world these days?
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Stephen Stafford
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06:06 AM on 08/09/2011
It is really shocking that such drivel found its way into print. So the people who are rioting just have poor or no home training. Go figure. Who knew that the proper instruction from Mom and Dad could stave off social unrest?

The whole idea is racist. These people's parenting is no better or worse than anyone else's. Did the people cutting off resources and accessibility to societal resources have superior parenting? Where is the data? Any researcher with adequate home training would never make such a callous statement without having the supporting data in hand.

This is baseless conjecture given space and credibility when it should not have been. It debunks an obvious hypothesis by adding insult to the aggrieved's injuries. This may not be the time to be talking badly about people in the mob's mothers and fathers. Rioters, and everybody else, do not like to hear that their parents are freely being lied about.
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10:24 AM on 08/09/2011
SIR, you are spot on, in the future i will only reply in such a manner, your comment was the truth.
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Kam Fet
10:41 AM on 08/09/2011
Apologist for these bad behaviors should be ashamed of themselves. Are you telling me that because of some social deprivation and Govt. cuts are the reason for these people to loot and burn down properties? If so that is a lame excuse for thievery and thugishness.
I do agree with the writer that its due to bad parenting, in my opinion the writer didn't go far enough. These is what you get when you have unwed teenagers having babies and men not being responsible for their kids. There is no other or authority at home thus transparent itself in the street with no excuse or justification.
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03:27 AM on 08/09/2011
Tax the Queen and give to the youth!
09:09 AM on 08/09/2011
They'd waste it on trainers.
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Tim303
03:08 AM on 08/09/2011
How about taxes targeting the antisocial upper class?
09:09 AM on 08/09/2011
Haven't you heard that such ideas have been banned from British politics since Maggie Thatcher?
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MohammedAbbasi
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02:19 AM on 08/09/2011
This is just unchecked anti-social behaviour? What kind of planet are these thinktankers living on? Has this Demo High Priest actually talked with people on the streets - especially those who have been growing angry over the past few months with increased police misbehaviour as well as rising prices of goods and the unchecked profiteering of the energy companies?.....

Oh and the police stop and search that seems to have gove out of control?

I am not excusing the rioters and those who are violent - but 'This is just unchecked anti-social behaviour'........ WAKE UP!
12:33 AM on 08/09/2011
Looks like there's a riot about to start on this thread...

Fight ! Fight ! Fight !

I'm just saying...

My tuppence worth: People onluy talk about these issues when the ecnonmy is bad, the police shoot someone and thus you get a riot. If the economy was good and it was winter none of these fools would be on the street. Seeing have they've got no credit these days it's an opportunity to upgrade their tellys and assert some power of their neighbourhood. Simple really. Give it two weeks and then there'll be calls for stopping the Carnical too. All of this talks the spotlight of Murdoch and politicians... something foolish "rioters" like these don't realize. What they have succeeded in doing is given the "authorities" they "mistrust" a stick to beat them with. Like I said, FOOLS.
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12:04 AM on 08/09/2011
Except does not that argument imply that the" poor parenting" is more prevalent in the groups participating in the rioting, i.e. Blacks and Asians? One of the questions not asked is "why the contempt for authority?" Is it in any way founded?
07:06 PM on 08/08/2011
“This is just unchecked anti-social behaviour,” says Wind-Cowie. “And it’s not localised to London. A feature of many deprived communities in the UK is a poor level of parenting, which manifests itself as mistrust towards authority. The only way to get round this is by instilling proper values in children.
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Above from a left-leaning think tank. I think they meant a right-leaning wind-bag.

.............''People in the street marching and fighting? Get 'em in the army!
..............That'll stop 'em marching and fighting.

No prospects. Bored. Uncouth. Ill-educated. No future. Angry. Anti-social.
This is a recipe for the emergence of organized crime. Of extensive criminal networks. And Demos comes out with this BS?

This country needs to develop policies which treat people as people and not as socio-economic units.

Mr Wind-Cowie you are unfit to be near anything called a ''think tank.'' Your comments are more than useless. They are so creepily aimed at making sure the centrist middle-class voter does not have anything radical they might want to gnaw at.

You are a compromised pragmatist. Have you no understanding of the nature of capitalism or the alienation of the individual? What is wrong with you?

You are so out of touch. You disgust me. You make my flesh crawl.
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Thariax
08:24 PM on 08/08/2011
Fanned!!!!!!!!!
06:25 PM on 08/08/2011
Oddly enough, the riots in Wisconsin WERE about race and HuffPo refuses to cover the story.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html
07:26 PM on 08/08/2011
racially motivated - yes, riot? - No. Take it from someone living in WI this wasn't even major news here, a bunch of angry kids who call themselves a gang attacking people. hardly what i'd call a riot, or even a mob.
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10:10 PM on 08/08/2011
31 arrests sounds like a riot or mob to me not, just a mere disagreement amongst a few people.......

and the fact that Huff Po buries this story is ridiculous, just dropped yourself to Faux News level of proporting your agenda.
12:04 AM on 08/09/2011
Witnesses describe 300 young kids fighting and then spilling out into the parking area attacking Whites as they got into their cars.

That's a riot. It was also preceded by 2 other attacks . The Riverwest attack on Whites during the 4th of July weekend and a Mayfair mall brawl.
09:07 PM on 08/08/2011
Covering such stories shows the folly of the Politically Correct Marxist ideology put forth on this website. And HuffPost doesn't want anything in the way of indoctrinating it's readers.