Enforcement Is Not A Long-Term Solution To Rioting

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 09/08/11 20:55 BST Updated: 09/10/11 11:12 BST

Confronting the problem of youth rioting is a long-term issue, says Gavin Knight, an expert on British gang violence.

Speaking to The Huffington Post, Mr Knight, who has spent two years working in some of the UK's bleakest inner cities for his book Hood Rat, says the knee-jerk response to the riots are not the answer.

"The only real solution is to change the long-term patterns of deprivation in the impoverished areas and sink estates.

"Many of these children come from broken homes and have suffered abuse growing up.

"As such, they have never developed empathy or the soft skills of negotiating their way out of arguments. We need to break the generational cycle of violence."

Knight also questions the cost of simply reacting to violence with enforcement.

"It will cost millions to arrest and then bring all these kids to trial. Studies have shown that it’s important to get hold of them at a young age and teach them the skills they need. We need long-term investment in the early years interventions."

According to Knight, the current situation is a complex product of several different factors.

"There’s already an underbelly of violence in young people, particularly those from backgrounds of domestic violence and family breakdown. They get lured into street crime.

"The economic backdrop also plays a part with cuts to youth services and a lack of prospects.

"They are looking for excitement, which they find in rioting, whipped up by the media and social networking.

Speaking to The Huffington Post earlier this week, Demos researcher Max Wind-Cowie offered a staunch rebuttal to those ascribing the riots to race. Knight agrees.

"This is not a racial problem," he says.

"This is not a problem of ethnicity; that is just a reflection of the people living in deprived areas. In Glasgow
all the victims and perpetrators of violence are white."

"Group dynamics also play a part. I’ve spoken to these kids and one-on-one they’re very different from how they are in a group.

"Everyone knows this. You can see it in evidence from stag parties to football hooligans to the Nazis. Group dynamics can be extremely toxic. Young men will also be influenced by older men in the community. And who are there influences?"

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Confronting the problem of youth rioting is a long-term issue, says Gavin Knight, an expert on British gang violence. Speaking to The Huffington Post, Mr Knight, who has spent two years working in...
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10:28 AM on 08/13/2011
Murdoch strikes again!
09:00 AM on 08/13/2011
My brief study of sociology tells me that gangs are competitors to the state. In fact in some areas they are the state. Gang leaders effectively taking on the role of politicians in their areas.

The only solution is for the big state to smash completely the little criminal states that try to muscle in. Liberalism simply won't work here and whatever your politics, if you don't want gang crime to take over the streets, you need to hit back twice as hard.

Otherwise things like gang rape (under reported but a massive problem in UK cities like London) will continue unhindered. And these riots will happen sporadically for the foreseeable future.
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Ranta
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06:37 AM on 08/14/2011
Sounds like The Shock Doctrine comes to Britain. Bring on the police state. Don't you already have enough camera's.
09:08 AM on 08/14/2011
Well if it's a choice of the shock of harsh punishments against people who loot goods and destroy property or the shock of seeing peaceful law abiding people evicted from their burnt out homes and losing their businesses - I'll choose the former each time.

As for the cameras. they've led to the arrest of many of the looters. I do think there should be tighter controls on them though and it is strange that they have a habit of not working at the scenes of certain bungled police operations.
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mediumal57
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01:06 PM on 08/14/2011
You are correct Neil.

There is only one gang that should prevail and it is the State's. Organised criminal gangs are a menace and need taking on in a systematic way. All their leaders need identifying and locking up for long periods. We can use a variety of methods to deal with the different strata of these gang's members in any case. But the overall policy should be one of absolutely zero tolerance towards them. All members of gangs need to be targetted and taken out of circulation so that they can be worked on. For some this will mean long jail sentences. Others will require less stiffer sentences, but sentencing they will need to have - whether this is restorative justice like, community service or being made to apologise to their victims and work off the debt they owe them.

One this is certain - the State cannot afford to lose this battle.
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05:08 PM on 08/11/2011
send them to america they can be wal mart greeters or prison guards that is our fastest growing jobs market.
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notalwaysfittoprint
03:41 PM on 08/11/2011
Yes, by all means, let's throw more money on this problem. As long as these children are born into the ghetto and live there you won't have an ice-cube's chance in he** to help them become productive law-abiding citizens.
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03:13 PM on 08/11/2011
To everyone : Most of you are wrong in your statements , the reality is that Cameroon was looking for this type of actions long time ago , he should step down today . He is not a good leader, the civil order that he is protecting has never work for this poor , innocent , young rioters , and sons of immigrants .

For a long time this countries have abuse their police powers , for a long time they have oppress their people . The riots started when that kid was murder by police for no reason , the tension with police on those communities have always been there , is not something new .

Our everyone forgot where Ganhdi was educated and from who he liberated India .

Too much military power in the hands of idiotic people is what cause War and loss .

Now let me see your replies >>> don't be kids and send mature replies .
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ipolitics123
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06:51 PM on 08/10/2011
"We need to break the generational cycle of violence."

These riots are the completely foreseeable result of bringing the detritus of a hundred other countries back to your own country, paying them to reproduce, and putting no limits on their behavior. You want to "break the cycle of violence?" Stop the immigration and start deporting people!!!
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MamaBird62
07:04 PM on 08/10/2011
I'll bet you a guinea that most of those arrested were born in jolly ole England.
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03:32 PM on 08/11/2011
LOL !!! , maybe you should tell your leaders and military generals to stop invading this people nations , to stop paying right wing corrupted leaders in there countries , and to stop financially blocking the aspiration of this people nations . Maybe , them you could have less immigration in your country .

You don't want this people in your house but you with help of your politicians don't let this people live in peace in there own houses . So , now they are bringing the conflict to your patio , they are taking your womans , they are taking your seat , they are making more money than you , and you can't do anything because they even have more influence over your politicians than you have . They even know more about your political system than you know , and most of then are even better educated .

Bro ! , you're a -Punching Bag .>>>>
05:27 PM on 08/10/2011
Why should the young respect any laws? We routinely allow those in positions of power to flaunt existing laws or enact laws that allow them to rob everyone else blind.

There are so many posts that tell these young people to learn a trade, get a job, contribute. Are you all that ignorant or uninformed? How many college graduates in the US and Britain are unable to find a job? How many highly trained and skilled individuals are without work?

The real parasites in our societies are those who move electronic money from one place to another. They produce and contribute nothing and take so much more than they deserve.
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terry63
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05:21 PM on 08/10/2011
So, I guess we just sit back and wait until they run out of energy and things to break? Yeah, It will work. declare Marshell law in these towns and break out the rubber bullets , watch what happens.
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Dan Crabtree
06:07 AM on 08/10/2011
Of course it's not, hold talks with the poor mistreated immigrants..when you get down to your last two buildings standing..then hand them the key to london..you must cater to THERE wants and needs not yours,.after all you invited them in..and you knew they were snakes before you brought them in..somalia england..hummm has a nice ring to it.
02:56 PM on 08/10/2011
immigrants­?
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They are all at work. I reckon more than 90% of rioters British-born. We shall see. Numbers should come out after prosecutions.
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MamaBird62
07:05 PM on 08/10/2011
90% is conservative. I'd say it's higher.
05:32 PM on 08/10/2011
When you type a word in CAPS, you might want to ensure correct usage.
04:52 AM on 08/10/2011
Althought there is absolutely no excuse for the behaviour of the looters etc, the cause is somewhat easier to understand. The police would not tell the truth about the shooting last Thursday would not give the family any information and a demonstration followed, by all accounts peaceful by friends and family, then something happened to cause the current problems, was this the catalyst? An interview shown only once by the BBC and reported briefly in the Daily Mail, but never referred to again
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/08/08/scrubbed-media-live-bbc-interview-witness-claiming-police-beating-girl-sparked-london-riots-52191/
The Met have a history of lying and covering things up.
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wagons
04:39 AM on 08/10/2011
It's ridiculous that a rioter should exist on the street more than 15 minutes. If you can't handle civilization, and have nothing the society needs, leave.
02:57 PM on 08/10/2011
And go where? The street where you live?
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wagons
12:15 AM on 08/13/2011
No, I'd rather they exercise their lack of intelligence burning down their own place. I meant mow down violent rioters in the streets, since they're menacing innocent people, whether directly or via damage to businesses, which are actually worked at by real people.
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wagons
12:17 AM on 08/13/2011
Funny that the bookseller giant Waterstone's wasn't touched. They don't sell tvs or sneakers.
05:05 PM on 08/10/2011
Leave? And where are they supposed to go?

Many of these young people are those that "civilization" ignored and treated as disposable from the day they were born. If we want a truly "civilized" society, then we need to value and care for every child.
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notalwaysfittoprint
03:47 PM on 08/11/2011
Treat these kids as disposable? I think not. The majority of English families do just fine: they are law-abiding citizens, working hard. There are always those who want easy money. Government created this sub-class, a class that is totally dependent on government largesse. With such a dependency comes hatred of what others have but at the same time there is no will to better oneself. The opportunity is there.
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wagons
12:24 AM on 08/13/2011
They are not supposed to be treated as anything by society. They are supposed to learn something and contribute to the society.
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04:22 AM on 08/10/2011
"They're depraved on account-a they been deprived."

Officer Krupke, West Side Story.
outnow
Ban the bomb
05:05 AM on 08/10/2011
My thoughts exactly. So why do banksters get to steal legally? Were they deprived too?
02:57 PM on 08/10/2011
No, they were depraved.
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01:05 AM on 08/10/2011
Just heard an interview with a resident of one of the areas he made a few good points. The kids don't have a future to look forward to, not a good reason I agree. He made another interesting point, just recently a whole lot of politicians were found to be rorting their expenses, so as he said, what's the difference. If politicians, bankers, ceos, etc can screw the system why not the kids. Not his reasons but used as an example. So the 'lower orders' as the Brits say can see the wealthy screwing the system, why not them. The only problem with this reasoning is that a lot of hard working poor people are being penalized as well during the riots.
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jessjesskk
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08:27 AM on 08/10/2011
One of the key issue is that the system, all systemsl have intrinsic flaws. Sometime it's not that "someone", ie a scapegoat, screw the system, it is the system which inherently create bubbles and cracks, bears and bulls. By thinking that, when something changes for the bad, there is an individual mistake or fraud, and not acknowledging that common behaviour (of the whole society without exception) can screw the system by itself, you fuel resentment and "screw" behaviour.
12:28 AM on 08/10/2011
Enforcement Is Not A Long-Term Solution To Rioting... exactly, get them out of the country or in prisons...
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CarlyQ
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02:42 AM on 08/10/2011
Did you NOT read the article?
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wagons
04:42 AM on 08/10/2011
Enforcement is NOT a long term solution: the TV is going to wear out sometime.
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TCPITS
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10:58 PM on 08/09/2011
I wonder if the people who approved of the revolutions across North Africa and the Arab world are the ones who so strongly disapprove of the English youth riots. It seems to me the "causes" are identical -- large unemployed youth populations who see no place for themselves in the economy -ever.
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wagons
04:44 AM on 08/10/2011
They are not doing it because of an insightful look at their future. They are doing it because they are allowed to. If they made themselves valuable and skilled, they would have a future. As it is, they're mad that the handouts have been diminished.
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wagons
04:48 AM on 08/10/2011
It would be hard to think of a less apt analogy. One situation: oppression. The other: taking advantage of being given too much license to screw off.
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TCPITS
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05:48 AM on 08/10/2011
In your fascist dreams,