UK Riots: Westminster Council Could Evict Convicted Tenants

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Huffington Post UK   Dina Rickman First Posted: 10/08/11 17:29 BST Updated: 10/10/11 11:12 BST

Council house tenants in central London found guilty of rioting will be made homeless, Westminster City Council said on Wednesday.

The Council's cabinet member for Housing, Jonathan Glanz, told the Huffington Post: "We will do this if the process of conviction takes place, and it's clear that the individuals concerned have done this... We will certainly ensure that message is loud and clear throughout the properties we are responsible for."

He added: "It's something we've been talking about to see what we can do in response to this debate. To make people responsible for their individual actions.

"People have to understand that their actions do have consequences. Having social housing is a privilege, not a right. And having social housing in the centre of Britain's most vibrant city is a privilege."

The plans have been supported by housing minister Grant Shapps and deputy prime minister Nick Clegg.

Clegg said on Thursday that benefit cuts for rioters were appropriate.

“I think it’s actually right to say if you go out and break the law and you destroy the community in which you live, why should you simply assume that you are going to continue to be supported in living in the way that you are in that community?”

But there are questions over both the practicality and legality of the move. Glanz admitted: "Clearly there are some legal hurdles we'd have to go through to do this. Most people with established tenancies in the social sector have long term tenancies."

A Westminster council spokeswoman said they would be under no obligation to re-house offenders because they would be classified as 'intentionally homeless'.

“That's something we're looking at at the moment. In the first step it's a warning. This is about the wider community - if you are going to go around and make it difficult to live in areas. It's sending a warning to people. However it is something we are certainly looking at.”

The council say the move could be repeated across London boroughs: “We are talking to a number of other London councils: Greenwich, Hammersmith and Fulham, Southwark", the spokeswoman added.

There is also a growing public call to remove rioters' benefits, with an e-petition gaining 90,000 signatures.

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Council house tenants in central London found guilty of rioting will be made homeless, Westminster City Council said on Wednesday. The Council's cabinet member for Housing, Jonathan Glanz, told the...
Council house tenants in central London found guilty of rioting will be made homeless, Westminster City Council said on Wednesday. The Council's cabinet member for Housing, Jonathan Glanz, told the...
 
 
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stargazer13
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08:36 PM on 08/15/2011
really ? do you think it wise? too pour fuel on a already hot fire !!

is this wise leadership ?

or is this retaliation ?
08:01 PM on 08/14/2011
Are we being fair by not doing it to those who own their own homes? Or is that wrong for some reason because those people are more like us.
04:22 PM on 08/15/2011
yep so they learn to appreciate the fact that things can always get worse
12:30 AM on 08/16/2011
I think they should have to swap houses with the people who got burned out. Seems fair.
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02:11 PM on 08/14/2011
Smart, make angry homeless people.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
09:11 AM on 08/14/2011
For those of you who think this is "illegal" or "knee-jerk" or "collective punishment": the reason they are doing this is because it's just about the only effective deterrent they've got in the toolbox. A magistrate can fine a jobseeker £5 a week, but I'm not even sure they can take that out of their jobseekers allowance because I heard one magistrate admit "they never pay the fine"; if any member of the household is on disability benefit (which a lot of jobless people claim), the fine is waived. The prisons are full, so the higher courts usually imposes community service - which they do not do and they cannot force them to do. All council tenancy agreements contain an exclusion for criminals and can invoke it at their discretion. It is a strong deterrent, and should force parents to keep their children on the straight and narrow. Just because they haven't used it before, it doesn't surprise me they have used this now, while they have public support for it (the nation is in collective shock).
07:46 PM on 08/15/2011
We need workfare instead of welfare. But organizing the disorganized. Who can do that?
06:41 AM on 08/14/2011
Eviction from their homes is a destructive punishment. They should be punished by serving the community they tried to destroy. Helping clean up and rebuild their own neighbourhood and providing free labour to all those businesses affected, to at least give something back. Evicting them from their homes will cause further alienation and that's the last thing the world needs. Not exclusion and vagrancy but inclusion and hard work.
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MelRoy
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09:12 AM on 08/14/2011
The problem is, when they have imposed community service sentences on young criminals in the past, they simply don't serve them. They say "I won't do it", and apparently there is little anybody can do about it.
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Siren Song
Extinction is forever
04:57 AM on 08/14/2011
Great idea, and to remove the rioters' benefits as well.
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01:26 AM on 08/14/2011
Bad Idea.

Increasing the poverty of those involved with the rioting by removing benefits will simply push them closer to the criminal community and force them to earn money illegally. Realistically, they're unlikely to 'get a job'.

Housing is a basic need, whether it's regarded as a privilege or a right.

If the British people insist on holding onto the primitive culture of 'punishment', then keep it to imprisonment. They'll serve their time, get released, and then it's time to move on.

Indulging hatred and sadistically damaging these people's lives will simply set up the conditions needed for more crime.

Instead of spending millions of pounds on 'punishing' people, why not spend that money on helping the victims rebuild their lives. Do something positive for a change.
11:43 AM on 08/14/2011
Deport them back to the countries they came from.
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01:49 PM on 08/14/2011
Indeed. Far too many Scots and Welsh running amok in our fair cities ....
sallysuelee
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10:08 PM on 08/17/2011
and I'm pretty sure majority of them were born in Britain..
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01:10 AM on 08/14/2011
Make them face jail time. If you evict them their families are victims and how many homeless will you have?
sallysuelee
just one voice among many
10:09 PM on 08/17/2011
now there's an intelligent discussion...
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08:00 PM on 08/13/2011
Did I just submit half baked piece of carp? Sorry for the smell. but I'll try again.

When I dressed as a pirate to go before his Chase Bank and crow no one shall regulate my Captain Morgan, the police were quite civil. They advised me I might want to make my costume "pop" more as some were confused about my point. Posters may be better on the street than street theatre. And they warned me i could be liable if my behavior caused a traffic incident.

I explained I was concerned that this financial crisis was going to reduce the size of our police and teaching force. I thought they were interested in my point until I got theirs. They were using a clever scheme to make me leave. Their two cars with lights flashing were backing up traffic on our main drag. Not wanting to be a bum - I'm a pirate, damn it! - I left the sidewalk and went to my car where they asked for my ID to compare with the young woman pretending to be a journalist. She took my picture, too.

I wonder if JPMorgan Chase uses Kroll security? Cops did a great job. But I feel a Pirate 2.0 coming on with improved costume, skenes of posters and this time, I'm not leaving until they do. Turn about if fair play.
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missjulz
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07:59 PM on 08/13/2011
If you thought people were angry before, try this idea. Just Brilliant. Add some desperation and additional poverty to that anger and light it up.
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06:42 PM on 08/13/2011
Sounds fair only if those rules also apply to any firm that enjoys government largess. If they nick a TV or hack a phone or payoff a cop it's fine with me if the government kicks them to the curb, too. But if not, then that's rather pathetic of them. Sounds more like an Israeli policy toward suicide bombers. Vengence is a fools' dominion. By the time the battle's over, no one's got anything to show for it.
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frostmourned
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12:53 PM on 08/13/2011
Sorry to the people saying it's a bad idea, but I thoroughly disagree. I mean, the rioters sure didn't think of what would happen to the people who lived in the apartments that they burned down. They showed no respect whatsoever when going around and destroying other people's businesses and livelihoods. If they can verify that a person was in the public disorder, or whatever newfangled name they'll be giving it soon, and they are found to be in council housing and on full benefits, then they need to be punished for it.

Maybe just evicting them is a little harsh, but I reckon it's all down to personal circumstances and standards. If a rioter is on full benefits AND a council house, then I'm sure the benefits can be reduced in warning, and should they do anything again THEN the eviction.

At the end of the day when it comes to council houses, there are always long long waiting lists, most of them law abiding citizens who deserve a council house the same as a looter does. If they have time to go out looting, then they have time to go looking for a job.
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Moxo
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04:25 PM on 08/13/2011
So you propose the creation of a whole new sub-class of citizens - Homeless Rioters?

I guess they could get jobs digging moats.
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frostmourned
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04:31 PM on 08/13/2011
If they get ample warning - stop rioting or lose your home - then it's their own fault really.

And at least digging moats would be a contribution.
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06:44 PM on 08/13/2011
Pursuing them for arson and putting them in jail is justice. You want vengence. Good luck with that.
12:26 PM on 08/13/2011
I see this as pure bravado on the part of the council. The recent headlines about the 'first rioter to receive eviction' are a bit misleading. The council have served a 'notice seeking possession' which means that they have given notice that they will ask a judge to grant them possession of the property i.e. to evict the tenant, however, councils and other landlords are regularly denied possession by the judges. The council gets the chance to act tough while being able to blame the judges for hobbling them
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
04:27 PM on 08/13/2011
You'd think Westminster would evict Rupert Murdoch from Fleet Street, considering his crimes against the people of Great Britain.
05:40 PM on 08/13/2011
He left Fleet St of his own accord and built a fortress in Wapping
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10:27 AM on 08/13/2011
Murdoch strikes again!
10:11 AM on 08/13/2011
Just another Tory excuse to eradicate all publicly owned services.
When it comes to punishing the pillagers and burners, I hope we do not forget the ConDems effect upon our economy and society. Oh! sorry Camoron I forgot there is no such thing as society is there.