UK Riots Lead To Rethink In Tory Crime Policy

David Cameron

First Posted: 11/08/11 13:37 Updated: 11/10/11 11:12

The prime minister has signalled a major shift in emphasis on crime policy in the wake of the riots which have affected parts of England in the past week.

In an emergency meeting of the House of Commons, David Cameron indicated that the police could be given powers to shut down social networks during times of unrest, and widen officers' remit to compel people to remove face coverings.

"This is a time for our country to pull together," said Cameron, praising those who had taken to the streets to defend their communities from thugs. He also mentioned those who had taken to the streets of Enfield in north London, without criticising what some people have branded vigilantism.

The PM told the Commons that over 1200 people had now been arrested across England in connection with the rioting and looting, and hinted that the courts could be given more but unspecified powers to deal with troublemakers. He said the role of the courts would be "kept under constant review."

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He announced a £20m fund to support high streets shops and £10m for councils' clean up operations, to be paid for by UK Treasury reserves.

In a packed but subdued chamber Mr. Cameron said that social networks could be "used for good or ill", highlighting their apparent role in mobilising organised rioting and looting, particularly during unrest in London.

On the issue of people covering their faces, the PM said at present police could only demand people remove face masks in specific circumstances. He said this would be expanded to include "any circumstances when there is reasonable suspicion of criminality."

The PM also said the government would look at ways in which the Army could provide backup to the police if rioting returned to Britain. However he emphasised that such plans were "not for today nor tomorrow."

MPs listened to the PM in silence, but there were murmurings from Labour when Cameron said CCTV would be a vital tool in bringing criminals to justice. They see this as a further shift in Tory policy, because in opposition the Conservatives had called for CCTV to be curbed. They've been slowly rowing back from that ever since, and it's obvious the PM now believes the cameras to be extremely useful.

The Labour leader Ed Miliband broadly welcomed the measures the PM outlined. Clearly aware that many of the social problems behind the rioting had persisted - and arguably grown - under 13 years of Labour rule, he claimed the current riots "cannot be laid at the door of a single government." But he seized on widespread concerns that budget cuts to the police would hamper their ability to respond to future riots.

David Cameron insisted that even after the budget cuts police would still have the resources to respond to situations similar to those seen in the past week. This prompted jeers from Labour MPs. On the government benches ministers and junior members of the government nodded in support for the Conservative leader, although backbench Tories looked far from convinced.

The PM didn't directly respond to calls by both Ed Miliband and the Labour MP for Tottenham David Lammy for an inquiry into the riots. It seems likely if no such inquiry is set up, Labour MPs may begin to wonder why phone hacking warrants two inquiries, but the worst rioting in the UK for decades doesn't deserve even one.

UPDATE: The Commons Home Affairs Committee says it will begin an inquiry into the riots next month. Whether that's enough to satisfy Labour MPs who're calling for a full inquiry is unclear at this stage.

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West Midlands Police have announced that they have arrested 389 people in connection with the riots.

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Peter Hitchens: "People riot because they are wicked, selfish and lawless...we have dismantled every form of authority in society."

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For the next hour Sky News is hosting a debate on the riots, with journalists Peter Hitchens and David Aaronovitch. It could get interesting...

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@ SkyNewsBreak : 186 Metropolitan Police officers reported injured since Saturday

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@ SkyNewsBreak : Metropolitan Police have arrested 950 people so far since starts of the riots, 457 of those have been charged

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The met police have arrested a thug for robbing an injured student during the riots.

He is one of 950 people who have been arrested in connection with violence, disorder and looting by the metropolitan police. A total of 457 people have been charged.

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@ SkyNewsBreak : Met Police: Roughly half of 240 people who have appearedin court so far charged over London riots were under 18

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@ TimGatt : K Clarke tells Sky:"This is worse than 25 yrs ago[...]There are several sections of the population that are much more totally irresponsible"

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Mr Cameron has set himself an enormous task here, effectively pledging to reverse the drift of popular culture in Britain and change the way the country thinks and feels.

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While this continues, Met police have been making more arrests and raided properties - officers in Brixton, south London, recovered clothing and an iPod,

In Pimlico, West London, they found £1,600 in cash and "thousands of pounds worth of Hugo Boss clothing - all still with the labels on."

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“In recent weeks the prison population has reached record highs and prison and probation officers are being increasingly overstretched. It is vital for public safety and for security in our prisons and the youth secure estate that prison and probation staff get the resources and support they need", he said in a statement released on Thursday.

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@ itv_news : 11-year-old girl charged with criminal damage following disturbances in Nottingham has been given a referral order #riots

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The Mayor of London Boris Johnson has today announced a £50 million fund to help make major long term improvements to the capital’s town centres and high streets damaged by the recent disturbances.

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@ frances_skynews : Ian Jones, 36 unemployed pleads guilty to trespass of a building containing a cash machine with 43k in it.

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@ NigelNelson : Possibly the best, most thoughtful, speech @Ed_Miliband has made since becoming leader. Close study recommended

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Other games will go ahead at the start of the premier league, but start a bit earlier, David Cameron tells MPs.

"Other matches should go ahead but starting earlier on in the day. I think that is a very sensible decision."

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The package of support being announced today includes:

A £10m recovery fund to help councils with the immediate costs of making their areas safe, clear and clean again. This fund can be used, for example, to clear debris left strewn in streets and make immediate repairs to pavements and roads. This Recovery scheme can also be used to support councils who use their powers to offer council tax discounts or council tax relief to those whose homes have been damaged but are still habitable.

A £20m High Street Support Scheme - funded jointly by the Departments for Communities and Local Government, and Business Innovation and Skills, which will be made available immediately, for the streets and areas where businesses were affected by the rioting. The money is intended to finance those measures that will get business trading again and meet short term costs. Councils will distribute the money and could use it to reduce business rates, finance building repairs and encourage customers back to the affected areas.

In addition, seriously damaged homes and business properties will be taken off the respective valuation lists, and Mr Pickles has strongly encouraged the Valuation Office Agency and local authorities to do so as promptly as possible. This removes any liability for council tax or business rates.

Councils have the power to offer rate relief for local firms, but must pay a quarter of the cost; central government automatically pays for three quarters of the cost. This Scheme will help reimburse councils for their costs, to facilitate immediate and real financial help to be given to small and medium firms to rebuild their local businesses. Business rates are typically the third biggest outgoing for firms after rent and staff.

Re-housing funding to meet the immediate costs of emergency accommodation for families who have been made homeless by the disturbances. As these are exceptional circumstances, Mr Pickles has confirmed that his Department would meet these costs under established homelessness funding processes.

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Commenting on the government's measures to help businesses affected by the riots, Colin Stanbridge, chief executive of the London Chamber of Commerce and Industry (LCCI) said:

“We welcome these announcements by the government, as they offer practical assistance at what is a terrible time for many businesses across London and the UK. We are also pleased to see that the government recognises the importance of getting businesses back up and running.

"It is important, however, that businesses in affected areas that did not experience any direct damage are able to take advantage of the measures announced today, where they have suffered an indirect impact.

"Ultimately though it will be the enduring spirit of London’s businesses that will see them recover from these appalling events, and ensure that the capital remains the best place in the world to do business.”

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This Government has a clear message to the rioters: your one night of madness could have disastrous consequences for the rest of your lives, and for your entire family. .

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@ nickdebois : RT @stewartgjgreen: @nickdebois asks the P M to get schools to assist with identifying rioters and looters <and a good idea it is>thanks!

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"Further militarisation" won't help, she tells the PM

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@ GregHands : Ed Miliband loved seeing his brother slip up there on "elected chief constables", visibly smiling at the mistake.

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David Cameron: It's about giving police more power.

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@ craigawoodhouse : Michael Gove using ipad on Commons front bench. Wonder if he is re-watching newsnight row with Harman?

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He wants "as many people to be nicked" as possible

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@ TimGatt : How Cameron can control a U.S. based site like Da Twitta, I don't know.

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Reverse police cuts, reverse soft prison plans of current Justice Secretary Ken Clarke.

Cameron is standing firm on this, cites police constables who agree with him in Thames Valley.

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@ SkyNewsBreak : Scotland Yard: 922 people arrested in connection with violence in London since Saturday - 401 suspects charged

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20:06 on 13/08/2011
This royal throne of kings, this scepter’d isle,

This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,

This other Eden, demi-paradise,

This fortress built by Nature for herself

Against infection and the hand of war,

This happy breed of men, this little world,

This precious stone set in the silver sea …

This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England

– Richard 11, Act 2 Scene 1
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patman77
08:29 on 13/08/2011
how come he did'nt stop rupert from propogandizing great brit along with us a to point of a fauxwar in ir aq. that he and the neoconservoconmen here perpetrated on humanity with major blowback to both america and england.
fredgladys
Your Micro-bio is empty, I know, stop nagging.
22:01 on 12/08/2011
There was a lot of talk about coming down hard on the rioters but events show that most have got off with minimal punishment. One reason could be that the pollies and judges know that there is limited staff and space in prisons. Once they cut over 5,000 prison staff and parole officers that will be even worse, add to that the cutting of 14,000 police if something like this event happens again it will be even more chaotic.
Now it appears that the current government doesn't want an inquiry into why the rioting happened, what are they afraid of, that they may have to spend more money on education, social services etc.
The rioting and rioters were wrong but so is the government, it seems that there is plenty of blame to go around.
19:08 on 12/08/2011
Here he is sticking his nose in every other countries' business, while "London bridge is falling down". This guy has mucho problemo at home. He has the Pakis and Muslims controlling one section of his country where not even a cop can go. They have declared Sheria Law and have 1000 goons assigned to enforce it and he has done nothing about. They have made it harder for West Indians to immigrate to England, people they have ruled over for decades. Instead, they have the Pakis, Indians and Arabs flooding the country. Trouble is they don't want to work and is living on the dole. England packed with Islamic Youths who hate the English; they are idle and looking for trouble, a recipe for riots and confrontations. When will he get some courage and send them back home.
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mydangself
I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me
16:46 on 12/08/2011
How sad to see that when it comes down to it, our "enlightened" societies behave no differently than the regimes we criticize for their actions during protests and uprisings.
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16:26 on 12/08/2011
I recall someone leaked Cameron's US Police Chief choice and then he denied it, but now the riots have added further shame to government, Cameron's hot for John Wayne, now.

Does he appeciate that in times of crisis people need their freaking phones, twits and twaddle to manage the crisis, even if some use it to foment crisis? Sorry to say this, but I think Rebekah Brooks' one year plan is a emergency state followed by a fasci take over with FOX News covering every stinking minute if not contributing to it with their fasci acrimony.
14:40 on 12/08/2011
I see that Cameron is talking about shutting down networking sites during unrest, (that's riots to you and me) Sounds a bit like what he's always saying the Chinese shouldn't do, censoring free speech and expression. Surely the easy answer is let the police use water cannons. A wet sodden blackberry won't be sending many messeges.
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14:06 on 12/08/2011
"Rethink"
That’s it Dave. Rather than think it though thoroughly in the company of those who don’t want your favours. And who would therefore challenge your evaluations, and thus test them more fully. Just keep on having as many attempts at it as you like. After all, you aren’t the one paying for the clear up. We are.

"This is a time for our country to pull together"
I wholeheartedly concur. But from where I view it, you appear to be more intent on pulling it apart.

"courts could be given more but unspecified powers"
Code name: desperation measures?

"any circumstances when there is reasonable suspicion of criminality."
Bad news for Batman, Zorro, ect. ect.

"The PM also said the government would look at ways in which the Army could provide backup"
By taking out Big Ben?

"in opposition the Conservatives had called for CCTV to be curbed"
What consistency?

"cannot be laid at the door of a single government"
like the illegitimate offspring of some ne’er-do-wells coming home to roost?

"budget cuts to the police would hamper their ability to respond"
Some say bl**din’ obvious.

"David Cameron insisted that even after the budget cuts police would still have the resources to respond to situations similar to those seen in the past week."
What?

"an inquiry into the riots"
Dave cut through his belt and braces and his trousers fell down. End of.
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04:16 on 12/08/2011
Standby for that to happen in the US. Police just criminally charged a person who videotaped a police beating from her front lawn. Happened here in MA. I can see rioting over this....

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/08/criminally_charging_videograph.html
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Devaron Namsaar
02:39 on 12/08/2011
Yeah, thats the PM's answer to everything.... more police, more police powers... that BS works until the people get pissed off and really start shooting, then bad goes to worse and beyond. But England has been so oppressed for so long, it should be like a pressure cooker that is about to explode in more ways then anyone understands. My prediction here is the end is very near for oppressive governments around the world. No one in government wants to hear this but changes are necessary and when peace fails, and it usually does around the type of people the PM is, then violence becomes the only means to get the point across... but the good news here is that this situation is not about England alone...I predicted at the beginning of this year that this type of thing would spread, and it is... "gentlemen, the end of your tyranny is at hand"... you won't win this one!
19:12 on 12/08/2011
Spread where? Here? You butt will be missing before long. Try this here. We are a country of laws and if you have issues you either vote or go before a court of law. When it spreads here, idiot, try looting and shooting to get your point across and see what our law enforcement's reaction will be.
22:32 on 11/08/2011
LOL i love out politicians. Praising BBM one day and in the next breath ordering its silence!
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
21:53 on 11/08/2011
"Terrorismus ist der Krieg der Armen und der Krieg ist der Terrorismus der Reichen."
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floodberg
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02:31 on 12/08/2011
"Terrorism is the war of the poor and war is the terrorism of the rich."

Excellent, Moxo!
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
03:03 on 12/08/2011
Peter Ustinov said that,. i believe.
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
21:47 on 11/08/2011
In the West they are "rioters". In Iran they are "freedom-fighters".

The Mullahs support shutting down Blackberry!
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flossophy
the unfamous anti-establishment classical liberal
00:30 on 12/08/2011
You can't tell the difference between British rioters and Iranian protestors?
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floodberg
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02:32 on 12/08/2011
I have a tough time with that, Flossophy.  How about enlightening me?
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Moxo
Our enemies are in the GOP.
02:59 on 12/08/2011
Can the Mullahs of the East and West?
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Norman Allen
It is forbidden to kill unless in large numbers an
21:28 on 11/08/2011
Unequal treatment of people in the social order and inequitable distribution of goods/services have consequences that cannot be repressed long with show and use of force. If we have spring in Arab lands, why not have a summer in the industrial world for the disadvantaged, the sick, ignorant and poor who are shut out of the system as if they did not exist.

Old paradigms of power and wealth are no longer applicable in the 21st century. Humanity needs a shift in paradigm to help all, not just the historical few.
20:13 on 13/08/2011
But is it unequal treatment? The joke is circulating that not a single book store was touched.
I hire diverse people and one is a woman from a small town in the frozen north where her parents were the Vietnamese running the Chinese restaurant yet as a minority, she was pushed by her parents t stay home and study more than the teachers assigned. She worked and spent time with her family. She was the only one from her class to go to university. Our business gains from her hard work and sense of humour. No race victim there.
It takes two hands to wash your hands so some giving has to come from both sides and then we find out we are not against each other bit part of a greater whole.
21:07 on 11/08/2011
More oppressive restrictions for youths and blocking whole swaths of the internet, plans that sound more fitting for China or North Korea than the UK. More censorship and more surveillance of everywhere you are at any time of day or night. Where's the opposition?

"Labour leader Ed Millibrand broadly welcomed the measures the PM outlined."

Any chance we can turn these riots into revolutions?