UK Needs To Learn From Other Countries, US Supercop Bill Bratton Says

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First Posted: 15/08/11 07:24 BST Updated: 14/10/11 11:12 BST   PA

PRESS ASSOCIATION -- Former US police chief Bill Bratton has hit out at critics opposing the Government's consultation of foreign experts to improve British policing following violent rioting across England.

Mr Bratton, who will next month advise the Government on gangs and crime in the wake of the disorder, indicated the UK needed to learn lessons from other countries if its own forces are to move forward.

"Anyone who looks only inwards is not going to be as successful as someone who looks outside, the world over. It's a big world out there," he said in an interview with the Guardian.

The appointment of the former New York police commissioner was attacked over the weekend by Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, who said the UK had no lessons to learn from gang-ridden America.

In an interview with The Independent on Sunday, he said: "I am not sure I want to learn about gangs from an area of America that has 400 of them. It seems to me, if you've got 400 gangs, then you're not being very effective. If you look at the style of policing in the States, and their levels of violence, they are fundamentally different from here.

But "supercop" Mr Bratton said Sir Hugh himself was successful as an Englishman coming in as an outsider to run the police in Northern Ireland. "I find it ironical, the hue and cry about outsiders," he added.

Mr Bratton also said he could lead British policing out of "crisis", reduce crime despite budget cuts, and bring about "transformational" change in the aftermath of the disorder.

"The Met is having its share of issues and leadership crises, certainly. It is a mirror image of when I went into the NYPD and LAPD, and both those cities turned out quite well," he said. "I've been an outsider in every department I've worked in. Bureaucrats change processes, leaders change culture. I think of myself as a transformational leader who changes cultures."

The 63-year-old, who is now a security consultant, added: "You can run around saying, 'The sky is falling in, the sky is falling in,' or you actually do something about it. You have to play the hand you're dealt. I've always dealt initially with budget cuts.

"Out of crisis come opportunities. If you want to speed up the process of change, nothing does it better than a good old crisis."

Over the past two decades Mr Bratton has gained a reputation for introducing bold measures to reduce crime, heading police departments in New York, Boston and Los Angeles. In his first two years at the helm of New York Police Department reports of serious crime dropped 27%.

Rank and file police officers said they were "angry" at the Prime Minister's decision to contact Bill Bratton.

Ian Hanson, chairman of Greater Manchester Police Federation, urged Mr Cameron to listen to those who "live and police the communities affected" rather than "someone who lives 5,000 miles away".

Mr Hanson, whose force tackled hundreds of rioters in Manchester city centre and Salford on Tuesday night, told ITV news it is "absolutely incredible" that the Prime Minister had asked for the American's advice.

"What we've witnessed this week has been British policing at its absolute best," Mr Hanson said. "There is anger, there is disappointment, a degree of incredulity as well. We're local people who live in the communities, who work in the communities and police them. He needs to speak to us, not someone who lives 5,000 miles away."

Mr Hanson said there were not enough police officers at the start of this week's riots because the Government has cut police numbers. He added: "One thing that Bill Bratton did when he took over in New York in 1994, was he increased the establishment of New York City police by 5,000 officers. How an earth are we going to replicate that with cuts approaching 30,000 police officers?"

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rrobinnyc1
Native New Yorker and proud of it!
03:34 PM on 08/16/2011
Why are you all attacking the man? He was invited by YOUR government. If you're opposed to that, and you should be, then go after Cameron. The UK's crime problems are small compared to what Bill Bratton faced in Boston, New York City and Los Angeles. This is a British problem and should be handled by the British. If you're going to bash anyone, bash your government and police force who were unprepared, not someone who was courted by your government for reasons we can all speculate about, but we'll never really know.
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kidjudas
My Governor is not smarter than a 5th grader
02:19 PM on 08/16/2011
If you think America only has groups of poor in NYC, you need to expand your horizons. There are complete towns of people in West Virginia and Kentucky and in Dallas and the upper Midwest that are living in absolute critical poverty. Again, the reason this is not happening anywhere in the US (yet)? Americans are too lazy- we're like cows in the pasture. Heck, imagine if those riots happened here, where just about every other household has at least 1 rifle or handgun? One thing we have that you Brits don't are legions of cops who don't mind knocking a few heads.
07:46 AM on 08/16/2011
I can understand the skepticism and disdain in that England has never had to deal with the kind of violence diversity brings, I suppose to some in the U.S. the riots were especially disturbing because there is generally an underlying belief that somehow things are more civilized in England. But I believe to a large extent the drug culture and similar attitudes which facilitated the violence came to England by way of America and the corporations and media that profit from it. We have had to deal with this for decades. so like it or not there may be some real benefit coming from someone experienced in this kind of jungle warfare, None-the-less I do hope for England and her people that complacency is not confused for compassion as it is here.
07:06 PM on 08/15/2011
Oh man, if O'Dumbo said that to American people, it would be taken as a heavy insult and rightfully. A country is a country, not a part of the UN or the Islamo-Borg. We have our own laws, our own culture, our own language, our own border...screw these globalists. We DO NOT have to learn from other countries!
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floodberg
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05:24 PM on 08/15/2011
Supercop Bratton is CEO of Kroll, a high-tech company that specializes in 'contextualized digital mining.'  

He may advise more boots on the ground, but he'll supply 'contextualized data mining' to identify ringleaders and followers. 

I've heard nothing of Bratton being paid, but I can guarantee you Kroll/Alegrity will have (expensive) contracts with the UK government.  They and their CEO don't do 'charity' work.

I posted details on Kroll and its parent company Alegrity a few days ago; it's a very long post on Alegrity and Kroll on the bottom of the first page of favorites on http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/08/13/police-condemn-appointmen_n_926168.html)
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08:52 AM on 08/16/2011
Very disturbing
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
03:23 PM on 08/16/2011
MolliBlum; I wouldn't want this guy's company to take an interest in anyone, because that person is automatically assumed to be an 'enemy' of their client.  I'm not sure what they would do with that info, or to whom they'd make it available...nothing is off the table with this company.   Worst case scenario may involve an ending with lots of questions; for example, Gareth Williams.
03:46 PM on 08/15/2011
The US answer to anything they don't like is declaring war on it. Excellent ploy for obtaining funding. Also hugely successful in filling commercially run prisons beyond their capacity and even beyond what public funding could bear (California now has to release prisoners exactly because of lack of funding). Any such wars lately successfull? War on drugs? If you start declaring war on a substantial part of your own community you may have to be careful what you are asking for....you might get it especially in the context of increasing income inequality.
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kidjudas
My Governor is not smarter than a 5th grader
02:20 PM on 08/16/2011
great post! FnF
03:24 PM on 08/15/2011
Mr Bratton also said he could lead British policing out of "crisis", reduce crime despite budget cuts. It's all too obvious that the adviser has been advised what to say from the outset.
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06:51 PM on 08/15/2011
Fortunately, he wont be advising British police. He may well be advising English police. Not quite the same thing. In Scotland, with 1000 extra cops on the beat in recent times, our crime rate is dropping sharply, with lower crime rates than at any time in the last 30 years or so. Strathclyde Police have recently been winning plaudits for the practices they have put in place to reduce gang violence which have borne highly encouraging results.
Mr Bratton won't be needed north of Berwick.
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deluk
disgusted.
08:01 AM on 08/16/2011
The lower crime rates apply throughout the whole of the UK, and your extra police didn't prevent sectarian rioting.
07:08 PM on 08/15/2011
Bratton seems to have the profile of a super desk jockey than a super cop.
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kidjudas
My Governor is not smarter than a 5th grader
02:06 PM on 08/15/2011
The reason this is not happening in America, and this coming from someone who lives here, is because of three things: cable TV, video games, and credit cards. The frustrated here don't take to the streets- they sit on their couches, watching cable television or playing videogames, waiting for the pizza to be delivered that they bought with one of their six credit cards that never get paid off. People here get ticked off, for sure! But bottom line: Americans are too lazy.
02:45 PM on 08/15/2011
There is satellite TV in the UK, and there are credit cards. I read that video game machines were among the items being ripped off by the "Rioters". I prefer calling them "Thieves", "Arsonists" and "Vandals". Didn't I see something about a riot in PA? Flash mob thieves in NY?
garystartswithg
el sueno de la razon produce republicans
06:42 PM on 08/15/2011
thats an excellent point, as "rioting" as a crime is ambiguous, but the powers that be like working in that ambiguity. anyone yelling in the street could be a rioter, and the powers that be like that control over the masses. not sure how corrupt the police are in Britian, but there they are always looking for reasons to put bullets in black people.
We do have occasional riots here, one of the problems is what is called a riot -- recently in LA kids showed up for a block party and got beat back by the police.
I think it would be harder for riots to form in the US -- we live more sprawled and population density plays a lot into how fast a riot can grow. contrary to the way people want to think everyone is on their iPhone texting their friends to riot, they grow by people being aware something is happening while it is happening.
There is supposed to be a protest of the San Francisco transit today. It will be a perfect opportunit­y for the police to show their stuff.
garystartswithg
el sueno de la razon produce republicans
06:27 PM on 08/15/2011
the reason its not happening here is you don't have the concentrations of poor like they have in England except for NYC.
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deluk
disgusted.
08:03 AM on 08/16/2011
HUH??, you must be kidding, without our welfare state, your poor are regarded as THE poor of the western world.
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kidjudas
My Governor is not smarter than a 5th grader
02:21 PM on 08/16/2011
You kidding? Travel to anywhere in West Virginia, my friend. Heck, try New Orleans if you prefer better food.
12:11 PM on 08/15/2011
Did he really say "ironical"?
07:58 AM on 08/15/2011
"But "supercop" Mr Bratton said Sir Hugh himself was successful as an Englishman coming in as an outsider to run the police in Northern Ireland. "I find it ironical, the hue and cry about outsiders," he added".

This guy is an idiot. he doesn't even know that Northern Ireland is part of of the United Kingdom.
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