Vatican Rejects Cover-Up Claims Over Cloyne Report

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First Posted: 03/09/11 18:39 BST Updated: 03/11/11 10:12 GMT

BBC:

The Vatican has rejected claims by Irish PM Enda Kenny that it sabotaged efforts by Irish bishops to report child-molesting priests to police.

It follows the damning Cloyne Report that showed how allegations of clerical sex-abuse in Cork had been covered up.

In a speech to parliament in July, Mr Kenny accused the Church of putting its reputation ahead of abuse victims.

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The Vatican has rejected claims by Irish PM Enda Kenny that it sabotaged efforts by Irish bishops to report child-molesting priests to police. It follows the damning Cloyne Report that showed how a...
The Vatican has rejected claims by Irish PM Enda Kenny that it sabotaged efforts by Irish bishops to report child-molesting priests to police. It follows the damning Cloyne Report that showed how a...
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pappyvet
My God, it's full of stars!
01:56 AM on 09/05/2011
Vatican Rejects Cover-Up Claims Over Cloyne Report
well of course they did
gibraltar
Put in D to go forward to go backwards put it in R
07:22 PM on 09/04/2011
Does Great Britain have something akin to RICO act that we have in US this is definitely a criminal conspiracy.
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11:51 PM on 09/04/2011
Ummmmmm... this story is about Ireland. Ireland hasn't been part of the British state for quite a few years now.
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greengirl208
07:21 PM on 09/04/2011
The Vatican has to work with cultural peculiarities in each nation. The Irish priests and nuns were so haughty and had so much power for such a long time that their harshness, cruelty, self-righteousness went unchecked for decades. There were many examples of very unChristian, unCatholic behavior in the autobiographies that have surfaced in the past 20 years: The Magdalene Sisters and Angela's Ashes just to name 2 of them.
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greengirl208
07:10 PM on 09/04/2011
That the VATICAN stifled full disclosure??????? The Irish are such stuck in the muds! Your bishops were just as bad as your priests, wanting their cake (the prestige and authority) while eating it too.
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Jake Thomas
elastic
07:00 PM on 09/04/2011
"Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset"

The pillaging continues, the Vatican is relentless.
05:10 PM on 09/04/2011
'But God does not protect a Temple that has been turned into a "Den of Robbers"'
Pope Benedict XVI

Temple, or Church there is a den of robbers amongst us. Some may say that when Jesus saw what was going on in the temple he lashed out at the corrupt, but surely not every Jew, back then, was corrupt or doing dealings in the Temple that were not right. The same is the way with the Catholic Chuch now, and many other churches. They are filled with good people, but robbers, thieves, and child molesters have corrupted the church and the infestation has crept high up in its ranks.

The Pope wears gold is a controversial painting, but one that hopes to put an image to the treachery.

http://www.postmodernrevelation.com
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Skydiver63
Time is running out...
03:32 PM on 09/04/2011
The Vatican forgot one of the ten commandments - Thou shalt not lie and the hidden 11th stealth commandment - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors children.

Unfortunately, the Vatican continues to deny the undeniable instead of admitting years of cover-up on a global basis. The Pope may want to expand his private confessional to accomodate his cardinals and bishops. There's going to be a lot of Hail Mary's and Our Father's being said!

I am a lapsed Catholic who had a "close encounter of a creepy kind".
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11:52 PM on 09/04/2011
And now, they seem to have been found breaking the other unwritten commandment.. thou shalt not get caught.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
10:22 PM on 09/03/2011
Perhaps a swift sequestration of the vatican's assets in the Irish Republic might improve their memory, Mr Taoiseach?
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11:53 PM on 09/04/2011
Would do wonders for Ireland's economy too.
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Dale720240
10:08 PM on 09/03/2011
I think the statement that the church put its reputation ahead of the welfare of children is pretty obvious. But in the US (in contrast), nothing happens and no one says anything. So at least the Irish people have something to say about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/us/20bishop.html
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floodberg
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10:32 PM on 09/03/2011
Dale720240, Vatican won't change until it is forced.  Last time I looked 11 archdiocese were in bankruptcy due to these judgments, but Vatican property in the same diocese can't be levied upon.  Up until now, Vatican has gotten out by using sovereign immunity, and BXVII uses diplomatic immunity.  A lawyer named Anderson has sued many child abuse cases, but this time he's suing and been allowed to depose a Vatican official. If he gets a judgment against a Vatican official, he may be able to levy on Vatican property; and once Vatican has to pay, the whole game will change.   http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/jeffrey_r_anderson/index.html

Ireland's in the same position with Vatican.  Their property is untouched.

In LA, while the diocese was going bankrupt and selling off buildings, Vatican bought a prime piece of property and spent $250 Mn on Our Lady of Angels cathedral - IMHO, a gigantic scr*w you to the victims that haven't been compensated.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
09:10 PM on 09/03/2011
Mr Taoiseach,

An acronym of advice: ICC.

Sic 'em.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
08:45 PM on 09/03/2011
Well they would say that, wouldn't they?
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floodberg
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08:31 PM on 09/03/2011
For heavens' sake, Vatican isn't going to change!!

Certainly not with BXVII in charge, who ran the Inquisition under JPII and did an amazingly good job of making victims and cases go away. 

Vatican is a 'country', its assets held by its own basically unregulated bank with no transparency which asserts sovereign immunity (it alone didn't return looted Nazi gold.)  VaticanBank's massive untaxable real estate assets worldwide cannot be attached for these claims while Ireland's locally-owned Catholic Churches are losing local property and are facing bankruptcy.

Mother Church offers prayers for the victims as it shuffles the perpetrators and says 'it didn't know.'  Vatican sovereign immunity prevents its bank from being sued (VaticanBank actually holds title), and diplomatic immunity prevents their 'officials' from being sued and thus their property being attached. 


Ireland can, however, make Vatican ante up or fold...

The way to eliminate a snake is to destroy its safe hiding places and cut off its food supply.  Vatican's property provides a 'safe hiding place,' and its food chain is the local presence that raises money, can't be attached and Irish Catholic personnel toeing the party line.

It's time to change the laws so that 'churches' or 'religions' don't have a special status.  Governments could require all real property to be taxed (without excepting religious property), all subject to forfeiture/sale for nonpayment.  Moreover, all property owners could be required to either waive immunity with regard to suits regarding property.  Property owners should be treated like corporations; they must provide a local agent who could be served in their name and who carries a bond equal to the value of the property.  In the event the bondholder loses, the bond is forfeited; but to maintain ownership the bond must be replaced.  If someone sued Vatican, Vatican would then either defend or forfeit the bond, and would have to put another bond in place.

If Vatican does not wish their property to be taxed or their bond forfeited by not defending a suit, they can simply sell the property.  This would end Vatican's Irish presence aside from local officials and property (which can be sued and levied upon.)   That won't happen because Vatican (a country with a very large unreachable bank and huge untaxed assets) needs local fund raising and thus strong control over the Irish Catholic Churches. 

The most valuable asset of Vatican is the illusion that it is a 'Religion.'
cdnman
Still a free spirit...
09:09 PM on 09/03/2011
Flood...well said faved and already fanned.
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floodberg
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10:20 PM on 09/03/2011
Thanks, Cdnman: this one took a lot of work. What's really scary is that I ain't never been the brightest bulb in the box - someone else must have figured out how to do this, but didn't do it or were stopped.

I knew someone in college who spent his time trying to create a decent hopsless beer in the communal bathtub (his suitemates got to drink the tests which apparently made up for having to find places to shower elsewhere.)  He did it his senior year, got a patent, graduated with unremarkable grades but promptly retired with a huge check from the biggest beer company who just wanted to keep it off the market.

I don't like hopsless beer and I don't like Vatican avoiding responsibility for the pain they caused real people.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
10:33 PM on 09/03/2011
For the last decade, the vatican seems to have continued to labor under the mistaken impression (that did serve it well for the best part of a century) that the Irish would never challenge its heinous activities in their country. Time's up it seems.

It is not an exaggeration to say that the vatican has effectively been at war with the people of Ireland. It would be quite in order for the Taoiseach to seize its assets there, and to encourage his friends in the chancellories of europe to do the same. Reparations at the very least would be a reasonable outcome.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
10:46 PM on 09/03/2011
There are assets, such as parish churches, which are owned by the Irish Catholic Church (who also employed the abusers and ran the various schools and Parishes.)  Verdicts against Priest A, employed by the ICC and the ICC are levied against those assets.  The Vatican is a separate legal entity (a nation) and holds property separately by VaticanBank, which sovereign immunity.  Technically, even abuse done by a Vatican official would be difficult to prosecute because most Vatican officials have immunity as government officials of a sovereign country.  Since the schools, etc., are controlled by local ICC, Vatican is not automatically liable.

There's a case in MN by an attorney named Jeffrey Anderson, who managed to get a deposition order against a 'locally based' Vatican official (an event more rare as Haley's comet) and has discovered documents that also support Vatican maintaining a level of control not only over who can be hired on a local level, but also over local decisions; in other words, Vatican might be the equivalent of a 'parent company' employer.  If he wins, it could be a game-changer in the US and elsewhere.  Here's a link, but he also normally puts trial documents online if you're interested in how he proceeded: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/jeffrey_r_anderson/index.html