UK Riots: One In Four Charged Rioters Had Committed Over Ten Previous Offences

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Huffington Post UK   Dina Rickman First Posted: 15/09/11 10:40 BST Updated: 14/11/11 10:12 GMT

A quarter of people charged over the UK riots had committed more than 10 offences in the past, according to figures released on Thursday morning.

The Ministry of Justice statistics came as the Home Affairs Select Committee met to discuss the police's response to the riots.

Greater Manchester Police's Chief Constable Peter Fahy told MPs he agreed it was wrong for police to arrest their way out of riots. His Assistant Chief Constable, Terry Sweeney, added community work was “fundamental” to limit the extent of riots.

He said rioters had "thought through some of the tactics" for dealing with police "very carefully" and used methods such burning out bins so police vans could not pass through burnt plastic on the road.

"Things like water cannon, I think they would have been, probably, captured, or certainly attacked themselves. And rubber bullets, again, the whole thing was too fast moving."

West Midlands police chief Chris Sims told MPs that he believed merely punishing criminals would not prevent reoffending. "We need to find ways of actually sort of bettering the people that we punish".

He added: "Every criminal justice intervention ought to have a forward look to it about future behaviour. It can't be enough to simply punish. Prisons are not just about punishment, they are about rehabilitation".

Earlier Justice Secretary Ken Clarke said Thursday's statistics "confirm that existing criminals were on the rampage".

"I congratulate the courts for delivering swift and firm justice, which stopped the riots spreading further.

"I am dismayed to see a hardcore of repeat offenders back in the system. This reinforces my determination to introduce radical changes to ensure both effective punishment and reform to tackle reoffending.

"We are making our jails places of hard work, getting criminals off drugs and alcohol, toughening community sentences and making offenders pay back to victims and communities for their crimes."

An ICM survey for the prison reform trust, released on Wednesday evening, showed 94 per cent of people believe that rioters should be forced to do community payback schemes.

Restorative justice is part of Clarke's changes to the prison system.

Responding to the figures, the prison reform trust said: "When it comes to offenders making amends to victims, this poll indicates that there is more for politicians to agree on than to argue about.

"With a justice bill before parliament, there is scope for a profound change in the way we respond to crime and disorder that would both improve victim satisfaction and reduce reoffending."

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A quarter of people charged over the UK riots had committed more than 10 offences in the past, according to figures released on Thursday morning. The Ministry of Justice statistics came as the Home...
A quarter of people charged over the UK riots had committed more than 10 offences in the past, according to figures released on Thursday morning. The Ministry of Justice statistics came as the Home...
 
 
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Tim Haselden
An Enemy of Rupert Murdoch, since 1984.
10:09 AM on 09/16/2011
Pretty soon, this'll be the only career path the non-public school educated young will have.
JIll26
snarky, independent boomer
06:46 AM on 09/16/2011
Probably a statistic that would be the same no matter the situation. There are always those who will use it as an excuse to create anarchy. This is merely an attempt to dismiss the other 3 in four people's opinion.
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Blackorpheus
the decisive blows are always struck left-handed
11:45 PM on 09/15/2011
How many offenses have the Conservatives committed?
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Theatrixnyc
Remember John Lennon:Power To The People!
09:55 PM on 09/15/2011
How many 'Previous Offences' did bankers have, of noted illegal practices, before they tanked the World Economy? What about Murdoch/News Corp/News International and Spying, Bribing, Hacking and CORRUPTION....a whole decade of settlements, for criminal behavior, to the tune of close to ONE BILLION, and counting?? How much jail time do Murdoch's and Bankers get? What category or stats, do those types of Criminals, fall under? Just curious...you know, is there a National Poll, or Survey done, on people like that? Seeing how the actions of people like Murdoch and Bankers, have a direct impact on the 'three out of four' being depicted, here, and why they might feel under-represented, and lied to, in the first place? Leadership, if not visible, or, if it IS visible, and yet is pelted with systematic corruption, doesn't leave you with anyone follwing you, or looking up to you. Get rid of the corruption, punish it with proper measures, and restore the faith of the people, that their voices matter.. All this article told me, was that rich people, poor people, and a majority of people that never did anything criminal in their lives, got fed up enough to do....something. Even if it was just break a window or burn a fire in a garbage can, to protest what they felt was ENOUGH.
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01:06 AM on 09/16/2011
This article simply confirms what people already suspected -- that behind the rioting and looting was a hard core of career criminals.
09:51 PM on 09/15/2011
One quarter were bad repeat offenders.

How about some statistics on the other Three in Four?
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01:08 AM on 09/16/2011
"...Close to three quarters of those aged 18 or over charged with riot offences already had a prior conviction...."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/05/kenneth-clarke-riots-penal-system
07:02 PM on 09/15/2011
No one should be allowed to hold an elective office, any elective office unless they have
an engineering degree. This, for the simple reason that EVERY engineer understands the
simple principle of cause and effect. Engineering 101, every problem has two components,
the effect and the root cause. If you don't deal with the root cause, you can address the effect
until the cows come home and you won't solve the problem. Rioters riot for two very simple
reasons, a profound sense of injustice and a profound sense of hopelessness. Punishment,
like incarceration simply exacerbates the sense of injustice and hollow meaningless efforts
at "rehabilitation" simply exacerbate the sense of hopelessness. To "solve the problem you
must reintegrate the youths into society with sound incentives like good jobs and career
paths. All the police and feel good "programs" in the world will not solve the problem because
the rioting is the effect of the problem, not it's root cause.
11:17 PM on 09/15/2011
I like the cause / effect argument. But you then have to accept that if your understanding of the cause is incorrect, then so will be your solution.

Lots of people are opportunistically ascribing causes which "surprisingly" coincide with their politics.

That is irresponsible and not very helpful.
05:11 AM on 09/16/2011
If you aren't even looking for a root cause you certainly won't find it. For an example,
99% of the response to crime is punishment, not even looking for the cause. An
engineer knows how to do a root cause analysis. What are the system inputs and
what are the outputs? Derive the transfer function. What are the variables? What are
the constants. There is a procedure, or work flow that every engineer understands.
06:38 PM on 09/15/2011
Testing
06:36 PM on 09/15/2011
If we continue to follow the GOTP mindset this will be coming to a neighborhood near you. Why???....Because,

As the Haves have, the Have Nots need and the Haves having preyed on the Have Nots, it becomes evident to the Have Nots; then the Have Nots will have what the Haves have stolen with no chance of the Have Nots to compensate for what they need, but was stolen......what would expect them they do!?!
06:40 PM on 09/15/2011
Let me finish since they purposefully messed up my post


It'll be the Wild, Wild West!

After all, won't that be what we voted for???
Strongest survive and forget the rest......
06:26 PM on 09/15/2011
What's next? Concentration camps! Now the rioters are being lumped together with drugs and heavy crime; won't be long now before they are labelled as murderers. The fact that Nottinghill, a world renowned carnival, was singled out this year(maybe because it's participants are so 'tanned', and David Starkey reinforcing that 'Enoch was right...' is cause for alarm.

Let it go. Mr Fahey, Secretary Clark and the others are beating this dog even thoug it's already dead...prejudiced populism for political ends. Shameful.
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
06:06 PM on 09/15/2011
Rehabilitation, what they realy need is a stable environment, proper National Service should be brought back, it would save the country millios and give these people an insight on living a decent life, what the instructors did not teach them their mates would.
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Matthew Harrold
Huzzah!
05:30 PM on 09/15/2011
Hallelujah! It took them how long to work this out? A person who has a stake in society is less likely to turn around a trash it. This whole affair leads back to Thatcher's destruction of the working class and trashing their communities. I'm not demanding that modernisation wasn't needed, but the Tories never seem to put something in place that supports such transitions. They just throw the working and middle classes to the wolves, just with a lot more class then American Republicans manage.
03:51 PM on 09/15/2011
Hola UK!! From your lil brothers acorss the pond.

The more and more I read about the UK and it's priorities the more the movie V for Vendetta comes to mind. That the same subtle oppression is starting to take shape in my country also. We live in tumultuous times unfortunately. I don't cosign using civil unrest to get a new tv or loot but the civil protests many in your country are engaged in are righteous to be sure. Good luck and God speed.
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Sean Whelan
Increase my digits, if yo will!
03:00 PM on 09/15/2011
I tried reading the subtitle on the main page a few times and I still can't figure out what the heck they're saying! Someone needs to check their grammar.
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Derek Lantin
Writer.
01:28 PM on 09/15/2011
Sir

Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke is reported as saying:

"We are making our jails places of hard work, getting criminals off drugs and alcohol, toughening community sentences and making offenders pay back to victims and communities for their crimes."

This smacks of political posturing.

This government has already been in power for about one and a half years. I think Mr. Clarke should tell us:

a) what his department has achieved since the election and
b) what we can expect to be achieved after the Justice Bill is passed by Parliament.

Sincerely, Derek Lantin. http://dereklantin.booksabuzz.com
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John michael Adams
11:32 AM on 09/15/2011
and yet we free these criminals after 1 year. Oh the good ole days of deporting all criminals to the new world. lol

I say we build an island in the middle of the atlantic and move all these criminals there and let themselves fight each other for resources. The final survivor will be granted pardon and forgiveness by the British forgiving public.
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05:05 PM on 09/15/2011
still struggling to even get one fan tory boy uh ?
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06:43 PM on 09/15/2011
ohhhhh yeaahhhhhh you got one