Anti-Abortion Posters Put Up By Religious Order Outside Primary School

Religious Order Display Abortion Posters

Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 31/10/11 13:48 GMT Updated: 31/10/11 16:24 GMT

A religious order that claims to be able to communicate with Jesus has started displaying anti-abortion posters outside a Surbiton primary school, to the shock of local residents.

The 'Community Of Divine Innocence', which has followers in nearly 50 countries, has been putting up the posters near Christ Church Primary School, Surbiton. Members of the order have also been driving around with bumper stickers on their cars which read: "Aborted children are in Heaven, martyrs to the Truth!"

The order was established in 1984, when a freelance jewellery designer claimed she saw the Virgin Mary appear in a pine tree. Patricia de Menezes, from Surbiton, has since been campaigning for the Catholic Church to proclaim aborted babies as martyrs.

Their website publishes a dialogue between de Menezes and "Jesus", where the latter calls abortion a "wholesale slaughter". According to the order, Jesus spoke to de Menezes saying children are "put to death because their presence is inconvenient". In another "conversation", de Menezes is visited by "Infant Jesus".

Despite these "visitations", de Menezes was previously dismissed as a fraud by the Vatican in 2007.

Mother of three Sally Gooding, 32, from Surbiton told a local paper she was "shocked" by the signs.

"They are mostly old ladies and it all seemed quite sweet and innocent. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this kind of stuff is very right wing and fundamentalist.

"There is a primary school in this road and I would not want my kids exposed to such a narrow-minded view."

The order meets daily in Manor Drive, Surbiton, which is within minutes of the primary school.

A local resident, who did not want to be named for fear of reprisal, described the posters as "dreadful".

Both the order and the school have been contacted by the Huffington Post UK but have yet to reply.

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A religious order that claims to be able to communicate with Jesus has started displaying anti-abortion posters outside a Surbiton primary school, to the shock of local residents. The 'Community Of...
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09:58 AM on 11/02/2011
A new cult competing with an old cult.

Move over Benedict. You've got competition.
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Martha Riddle
Ad astra per aspera.
05:32 AM on 11/02/2011
Here we go again. Yet another controversy to divide us. Abortion. Illegal immigration. Gay & Lesbian rights. The hot buttons they push so we all start fighting with each other instead of working together for solutions.
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04:08 PM on 11/01/2011
I had a group do this at my college back in the states. I am all for freedom of speech, but I shouldn't be forced to see pics of aborted children while I am minding my own business and trying to get to class.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
10:55 AM on 11/01/2011
Does the UK not have freedom of speech? You can disagree, but you can express your views.
12:38 PM on 11/01/2011
But not outside a to a primary school. You don't have freedom of speech in front of children.
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deluk
disgusted.
07:47 PM on 11/01/2011
The UK recognises that individual freedoms should not impinge on the freedoms of others. This is a form of visual assault.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
08:32 AM on 11/01/2011
Tear 'em up.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
10:57 AM on 11/01/2011
OK. Shall we tear up your posters, too, if we disagree?

Engage...don't destroy. This is a conversation that needs to be held.
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deluk
disgusted.
07:49 PM on 11/01/2011
This isn't a "conversation", people can converse all they want, you seem to have the old fashioned American view of "rights", "me, me, me I, I, I", strange coming from a nation that has more laws to govern the actions of it's citizenry than any other.
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REMEMBER2050
Bring on that War on Women, GOP! I'm game.
03:16 AM on 11/02/2011
These are posters outside a PRIMARY school. End of conversation.
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rini1946
06:50 AM on 11/01/2011
You know what upsets me is that most of the people who are for abortion are againt the death penalty. I wish that people would use condoms or some sort of birth control. This would almost put a end of this stupid argument. And yes there are times when the mothers life is in danger. I think it is wrong to use abortion as birth control especially when it took me two years to adopt my daughter and would have been 8 more years for another kid .
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
03:22 AM on 11/01/2011
What a sheltered life these people must lead that they have so much time to bother about what OTHER people do.

But in reality it is probably some kind of plot, similar to the one which is acted out in the US. Keep this issue alive, like in a merry-go-round, yes abortion, no abortion, yes abortion, no abortion - and while you run around in circles you won't engage in the issues that really matter. Are these people truly that unintelligent that they don't see how they are taken for a ride on the merry-go- round?
02:55 AM on 11/02/2011
The debate continues because it is a human baby despite all the semantic arguments to the contrary. It continues because people know in their hearts it is human life being killed and the devaluing of human life has serious consequences for society.
03:17 AM on 11/01/2011
i hope they're charged with intimidation or whatever the laws are there. which brings up this point - what is the dividing line between some fakers claiming to be a ''religion'' and them instead being properly labeled a ''hate group''? the westboro baptist ''church'' definitely acts like a hate group and should be labeled as such, losing their tax exempt status and etc. what about these nutcases who go around terrorizing innocent kids?
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rini1946
06:29 AM on 11/01/2011
sorry you are talking freedom of speach. Not that I disagree with you but if you stop them you have to stop the people on wall street you have to stop the gay pride parades.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
11:00 AM on 11/01/2011
You are correct. I am not sure about abortion one way or the other - but I cannot see that preventing this group from making its point known is bad for society. If nothing else, it will sharpen the thinking of the pro-abortion viewpoint.

Although this group lacks a degree of common sense placing these outside a junior school. I would have thought a college or uni would be more age relevant if they want to preach.
12:41 PM on 11/01/2011
Since when is a gay pride parade allowed next to a school? There are regulations what can and can't be done close to schools, and these posters shouldn't be allowed either.
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Matthew Harrold
Huzzah!
02:08 AM on 11/01/2011
Wow...having grown up around the area I can safely say that Surbiton is normally a quiet slice of suburbia, known for it's good schools and links to London. Sadly it's now going to be associated with religious crackpots exposing their ideas to children who will have little concept of what the crackpots are yammering on about.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
08:50 PM on 11/01/2011
Crackpots can crop up anywhere.

Fortunately, I suspect the good people of Surbiton will find ways to weed out these crackpots in their midst.
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buggeroffyou666
Hierophant of the Crawling Chaos
01:33 AM on 11/01/2011
Once again an anti-women's and ant-rights group shows the lack any class or standers in their sickening attempt to force others to live as the radicals would tell them to live.
The kind of people who do this should not be allowed to have children less they infect the children with their evil.
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rini1946
06:34 AM on 11/01/2011
Sorry but freedom of speech. If you stop them you have to stop every group. Thats the ones you like as well as the ones you like. And how can you talk about a women that talked to god.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
08:33 AM on 11/01/2011
Every hateful superstitious group. Every single one.
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darkmark
religion, the veil of evil.
01:33 AM on 11/01/2011
oh huff puff puff, lets all get excited.
12:43 PM on 11/01/2011
Obviously you don't have children.. you don't want young kids exposed to stuff like that..
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darkmark
religion, the veil of evil.
07:00 PM on 11/01/2011
excuse me, take the signs down. i agree they can be bad but take them down. these people that have these beliefs see this cause as trying to save children. i've met some of them and, though they were not the brightest folk, they believed with all their hearts what they profess. its not what i believe. you are smarter than they are and should be able to handle this problem.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:30 AM on 11/01/2011
"Dismissed as a fraud by the vatican".
He must be some really big honking fraud.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
11:02 AM on 11/01/2011
Or they did not pay their parish share. And, let's be honest....too many women involved for the Vatican to deal with.
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edwardandersons
The Lord is my Shepard
12:26 AM on 11/01/2011
Sexual ads for perfumes, clothings etche are everywhere and easily viewed by little ones while they accompany parents shopping but this is allowed since it is part of our media culture. But post an ad which is trying to get the message out to children about the sanctity of life and how abortion is wrong and it is attacked. The article does a fine job of bashing the religious group in order to bias the reader so they accept its conclusion that the abortion sign should be taken down. The Catholic Church may not agree with the groups marian visitiation but would totally accept their beleif that abortion is the murder of God's creation.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:31 AM on 11/01/2011
Perfume models rarely abuse kids. Not so much for these crazies.
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temenos
castigat ridendo mores
06:11 AM on 11/01/2011
You must be one of those "right to smell" types
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rini1946
06:41 AM on 11/01/2011
not sure thats true look at some of the ads and look at the kids today. the drinking the sexual freedom of minors. Sorry you are wrong just look at the sluty billboards. I would like them to have posters showing condom use and birth contol so there would not need abortions. I know sometimes the life of the mother is in danger. I lost my aunt mary that way she did not want to about the kid I miss her even that it happend 50 years ago
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
12:41 AM on 11/01/2011
"how abortion is wrong"

Abortion isn't wrong.
03:11 AM on 11/01/2011
killing babies is not wrong????? the funny thing about those who support abortion, they are all alive, but do not wish to give a choice to the babies to see what they might say. Let me ask you, would you have chosen for your mother to abort you?
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Blacksheep1
Keeping the Left honest, 7 days a week!
03:15 AM on 11/01/2011
Then neither is murder.....
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robertaruth
The answer is in the music
12:06 AM on 11/01/2011
This is not a Freedom of Speech issue, though some of you posting here think so.

There are limits on freedom of speech, for instance when it conflicts with other values or rights, such as appears to be the case here, in front of a school, and where parents of the children exposed to this nonsense have strong objections.

Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or hate speech.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
11:07 AM on 11/01/2011
You make a valid point.....certainly the school can apply for an injunction to have these posters removed from the school's vicinity? There is no reason to be there except to incite an argument.

The problem is that one person's sensibilities are not another's. It is hard to know when the line is crossed.
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lowrodiay65
11:56 PM on 10/31/2011
Religion is a very dangerous thing.
12:02 AM on 11/01/2011
So is not taking one's anti-psychotics.
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buggeroffyou666
Hierophant of the Crawling Chaos
01:38 AM on 11/01/2011
Something all people who believe in gods need to be on.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
11:10 AM on 11/01/2011
Well, a car is a dangerous thing when not understood or mishandled. Religion is not easy, I will grant you that. The owner's manual is open to so many interpretations that man is bound to screw it up. Such is the nature of mankind.