Durban Conference: Ending The Deadlock On A New Kyoto Deal

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The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 28/11/11 00:19 GMT Updated: 28/11/11 00:22 GMT

A new deal on climate change is the hope, but for the nearly 10,000 delegates of the UN’s conference in Durban on the eastern coast of South Africa, a week of difficult negotiations lays ahead.

The event, which starts on Monday, offers a chance for the world community to come together and agree on action. Most pressing is the debate about the Kyoto Protocol, the 1997 treaty that set limits on emissions. The treaty runs out at the end of next year, yet so far there has been deadlock on whether to renew, as favoured by China and India, or to draw up a new treaty, as favoured by Russia, Canada and Japan.

India and China favour renewal as they are classed as developing countries, which under the existing treaty have no obligation to cut emissions, leaving developing countries to shoulder the burden. However, as China and India now represent the largest and the third largest emitters on the globe, most industrialised countries are demanding a new agreement, which sees India and China also forced to make reductions. The US pulled out of Kyoto in 2001 over the apparent unfairness of the 1997 terms.

As such, the issue is nothing new. The climate change conference in Copenhagen in 2009 reached a stalemate over Kyoto, with many predicting a similar outcome for Durban.

However, minds at the conference may be focused by recent figures that reveal that carbon emissions in the atmosphere now far exceed even the worst case predictions of four years ago, with a UN report showing a 6% increase in 2009 to 2010 levels.

Britain will play a role. The UK, along with members of the EU, have been active in drawing up a new Kyoto agreement in which India and China agree to some reductions, while the industrialised countries continue with their existing programmes.

Whatever happens, a global deal is now crucial, with the International Energy Agency predicting the world has only five more years to stabilise the temperature increase before the globe reaches a tipping point from which there will be no return.

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A new deal on climate change is the hope, but for the nearly 10,000 delegates of the UN’s conference in Durban on the eastern coast of South Africa, a week of difficult negotiations lays ahead. ...
A new deal on climate change is the hope, but for the nearly 10,000 delegates of the UN’s conference in Durban on the eastern coast of South Africa, a week of difficult negotiations lays ahead. ...
 
 
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03:15 PM on 12/03/2011
There is no silver bullet for Climate Change because its made of

Thorium.

The Earth Mother is sending a unambiguous message and GIFT.

Earth friendly Technologies require REE (Rare Earth Elements) so necessary for all those

wonderful wind mills, electric cars, etc., are buried in mounds of THORIUM!

Thorium the fuel used in Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reacror(LFTR)s!

“These include the tailings of ancient tin mines, rare earth mine tailings, phosphate mine tailings and uranium mine tailings. In addition to the thorium present in mine tailings and in surface monazite sands, burning coal at the average 1GWe power plant produces about 13 tons of thorium per year. That thorium is recoverable from the power plant’s waste ash pile.
One ton of thorium will produce nearly 1 GW of electricity for a year in an efficient thorium cycle reactor. Thus current coal energy technology throws away over 10 times the energy it produces as electricity. This is not the result of poor thermodynamic efficiency; it is the result of a failure to recognize and use the energy value of thorium. The amount of thorium present in surface mining coal waste is enormous and would provide all the power human society needs for thousands of years, without resorting to any special mining for thorium, or the use of any other form or energy recovery.”

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4971
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Ramkshrestha
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01:48 PM on 11/28/2011
World leaders! Be serious on Global Warming issue, please do not play with this
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rabidrightwatch
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04:04 PM on 11/28/2011
well said Ramkshrestra... but unlikely to get a serious answer here; too many deniers and nay-sayers around.. I wish you luck
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01:00 PM on 11/28/2011
Kyoto is a sham to wreck western nations economies while ignoring the true carbon nightmare of China. It's time to let it go and come up with a more rational approach to improving the environment.
12:52 PM on 11/28/2011
Once again we see a bunch of hypocrites gathering at a conference, increasing their already inflated carbon footprints. All of their discussions can be done via video conferencing but hey, why keep things green when the rest of the worlds tax payers can foot the bill.

Let's face it, they can't even do something simple and obvious, like paying countries where rain forests are and get them to manage and replant. Like giving the farmers who are destroying these precious resources a financial and business reason to stop their actions.
01:14 PM on 11/28/2011
Freeloaders there might, most conspicuous of which are the academics who think they know it all. You could count on one hand all the acadmics who designed or invented anything. As for video conferencing who would you video-conference with? People you already know? The point of going to conferences is to exchange ideas with people you don't know. You can meet people who under normal circumstances are inaccessible, government ministers and heads of large corporations for example. Really you ought to get out more often.
12:14 PM on 11/28/2011
already too late
11:12 AM on 11/28/2011
As a retired ship's engineer, I can tell all you tree huggers that a ship's exhaust is far more poluting than any aircraft built. Some ships burn several hundreds of tons of heavy fuel oil per day, yes per day, and spew out a hell of a lot of CO2. I am always amazed at the, do what I say, not what I do arrogance and stupidity of the Greenpeace movement as they chase ships etc in an effort to stop legitimate business in the guise of protecting the environment whilst at the same time chasing those ships in a vessel that uses a poluting diesel engine. When ever there's a photo at the head of most reports on polution, they always put a picture of large cooling towers throwing up white clouds.......will someone please tell them, those white clouds are steam.not exhaust fumes. For those who have a memory long enough, they will remember that all the buildings in London were one colour, black, caused by polution, mainly from burning coal...look at them today. When was the last time we saw smog? Polution today, nonsense. in the bad old days, you couldn't even walk by the river because of the smell.
11:23 AM on 11/28/2011
you are an oasis of intelligence in a wilderness of ignorance
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Joffan
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10:08 PM on 12/01/2011
In fairness to general shipping (compared to aircraft), they carry a lot more freight. Reckoned as fuel consumption per ton of freight per mile, I'm betting that ships are more economical than aircraft by a very large margin. Taking into account that ships use bunker oil, which requires much less processing than jet fuel, they might be said to be even further ahead.

And yeah, the steam pictures can be silly, but are mostly harmless. The stack emitting something at the top of this article isn't a cooling tower, though. I'm guessing it's a mixed smoke/steam emission.
11:11 AM on 11/28/2011
There is a whole load of nonsense put about by the global warming lobby and it's supported by governments as they search for more ways to tax us and have us thinking, at the same time, that it's a good idea. They would have us all believe that a jet plane leaves tons of CO2 behind them as they fly and one wonders why we aren't sinking under that weight. In fact, the claims are so stupid that a plane wouldn't even be able to lift off the ground if it was carrying that much carbon. However, you will note that so far, ships have escaped all criticism and why do you think that would be? Quite simple....."trade" and because they know full well that the country would really be hurting if they attacked ships polution.
11:17 AM on 11/28/2011
We assume you are being ironic? No one can be that stupid!
01:14 PM on 11/28/2011
Oh yes they can
11:28 AM on 11/28/2011
correct. if the Government was really worried they would have banned many imports, do we need flowers from Africa, strawberry's in January apples from New Zealand etc. they could ban these imports and provide money to increase and improve fruit and vegetable production in this country. yes some fruits could be imported but we can produce most vegs. people should get used to seasonable foods like we used to have. we could also stop exporting millions of tons of rubbish to the third world, and move to burning it to produce energy. This is something the French are doing, many small towns and rural areas have incinerators burning the local rubbish to produce cheap electricity.
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rabidrightwatch
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10:47 AM on 11/28/2011
I would dearly love to think that this summit will actually DO something, rather than endlessly talking and squabbling among themselves.

However, the summit will largely fail.

The richly rewarded lobbyists have done their job well, they and others have spread enough 'smoke and mirrors' and smear campaigns to ensure that no Western politician will dare to commit and no Asian politician will even consider compromise for the good of the world.

The lobbyists and the nay-sayers have almost certainly won... I just hope that they are all so absolutely positive that they're right that they can now, with confidence, register with their local power station to say 'it was my fault, and therefore I volunteer to be the first consumer in this region to be disconnected'...

No? I thought not...

I, for one, wish the Durban summit every success, but with pollution and emissions gathering pace & with no solution in prospect, I for one am glad that I'm as old as I am, but I fear for the future of anyone under 50...
10:14 AM on 11/28/2011
Chance of agreement nil. Where's the next junket scheduled?
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10:06 AM on 11/28/2011
Wonder how much carbon was emitted getting the TEN THOUSAND lardarse freeloading delegates and their entourages to Durban! Another junket of the highest order, hypocrites.
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05:20 AM on 11/28/2011
The photographic image shown with this article is a fake produced by photoshopping an original photo to add the heavy dark "smoke."

The HP should not permit obviously faked photos to be presented to its readers. It hurts the credibility of the HP when fake photos are knowingly used to distort an image of reality.

A discussion of faked photos was presented recently on WUWT; the above photo appears similar to those discussed and commented on.
09:42 AM on 11/28/2011
Doesn't look fake to me. It looks like steam being emmitted from a stack. Since this implies a large amount of energy was used to generate the steam it seems perfectly legitimate. Why do you think it's fake?
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
10:10 AM on 11/28/2011
With this definition, it's impossible to ascertain veracity of this photograph... the definition of the picture denies us all that possibility.. although calling into question a Press Association picture is fraught with litigious danger for you...

You've quite obviously never seen power stations in Eastern Europe, China, India etc where emission levels of smoke, particulates and toxins continue unabated... I have, and being downwind of one is something I wouldn't wish on anyone, not even climate change deniers..

Or are you merely determined to undermine the existence of severely polluting installations to suit another agenda?
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Richard2
06:42 PM on 11/29/2011
First of all, what power plant is featured in the photo? Where is it located? And what normally passes through the smokestack? Is it water vapor, or other gases?

Second, photos can be analyzed to detect photo shopping. Sometimes the original, non-photoshopped photo can be located, for comparison. Perhaps the HP could hire a respected, objective analyst of photography to determine whether this photo was photoshopped? Then the results could be posted here for everyone to review?