Cameron Veto: Britain's Position 'Would Have Threatened Single Market' Barroso Says

Barroso Cameron Veto Eu Treaty

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 13/12/11 08:56 GMT Updated: 13/12/11 11:43 GMT

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said Britain's position on a future EU treaty on financial regulation posed a "risk to the integrity of the single market". He was speaking at a meeting of the European Parliament on Tuesday morning, the first meeting of the Parliament to discuss the failure of talks last week to secure an EU-wide treaty.

Describing David Cameron's veto of the treaty as "unfortunate", Mr. Barroso warned that Europe faced a long road ahead to reach a deal which would satisfy all the Eurozone countries.

"Personally, I made every possible effort to agree this fiscal compact fully within the current treaties," he said. "This approach required that all 27 member states played their part. As you know, one member state was opposed to amending the Lisbon treaty."

Some MEPs have given more harsh criticism of David Cameron's position. One French MEP said "26 of the 27 states have shown responsibility", adding that the Prime Minister should be reminded that he has "obligations" to introduce greater financial regulation.

However some MEPs criticised the European Commission for trying to push for a treaty across the whole EU to rescue the Euro in the first place, and UKIP leader Nigel Farage told the EU Parliament that Europe was the Titanic, and Britain's was in a lifeboat.

"Britain is going to make the great escape", he told MEPs, to scattered applause. "Cameron does not know what he has unleashed," he added, suggesting that a process had now started which would lead to a referendum on whether Britain should leave the European Union.

Huffpost UK is following what looks like being a stormy session of the European Parliament with live updates below. The meeting comes as British cabinet ministers are meeting for the first time since Cameron vetoed the EU-wide treaty, a day after Nick Clegg decided to skip a Commons statement and debate on the failure of the talks last week.

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Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission, condemned the United Kingdom's veto of a European Union treaty change as self-serving because Prime Minister David Cameron had sought protections from regulations for the United Kingdom's financial industry, according to The New York Times.

"This made compromise impossible," Mr. Barroso told the European Parliament in Strasbourg, France, according to The New York Times. "All other heads of government were left with the choice between paying this price or moving ahead without the U.K.'s participation and accepting an internal agreement among them."

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The Spanish government successfully sold $6.51 billion in Treasury bills on Tuesday, above its target range, according to The Wall Street Journal. Bids for Spanish government debt totaled $23.8 billion, or 3.66 times more than the amount of debt sold. Borrowing costs for Spain fell as a result.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Eurozone banks, which once flocked to Eastern Europe for revenue opportunities, now are fleeing the region to focus on their domestic economies, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Experts fear that Eastern Europe, even though it has mostly avoided the euro, still will go through a recession because of the pullback in lending, according to the WSJ. Germany's Commerzbank and Italy's UniCredit, two of Europe's largest banks, said they plan to scale back their Eastern European operations, which previously were a priority.

"At the very least, this means that credit growth in Eastern Europe will remain very weak," Neil Shearing, chief emerging-markets economist at Capital Economics in London, told the WSJ. "But I think there's a sizable and underappreciated risk of a new credit crunch."

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The National Bank of Greece, the country's leading quality lender, said on Tuesday that it will seek approval from its shareholders to ask for a $1.3 billion bailout from the Greek government, according to Dow Jones Newswires.

It appears that the crisis may be resulting in a vicious cycle: As the Greek government has its debt written down, banks lose money and need a government bailout, which further devalues the government's debt and hurts bank balance sheets even more.

From Dow Jones Newswires:

Already reeling from a slumping economy, rising non-performing loans and steady outflow of deposits, Greece's banks are facing huge losses from a planned debt write down the government is negotiating with its private sector creditors.

In a report issued earlier Tuesday, the IMF estimated Greece's top six lenders will require a total capital boost of up to EUR17 billion to cope with the debt write-down.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Researchers at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) have called on European leaders to invest in jobs for young people and economic growth as a whole in order to prevent a long-term drag on growth, according to Reuters. Youth unemployment across the European Union averages 20 percent, ranging as high as 45 percent in Spain to 7 percent in the Netherlands, according to Reuters.

"It's an investment for the present, an investment for the future," said Stefano Scarpetta, deputy director of the OECD's employment division, in Paris, according to Reuters.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Credit Agricole, one of France's largest banks, plans to cut up to 2,000 jobs, according to a French newspaper article cited by Reuters.

From Reuters:

Credit Agricole, which is emulating similar moves by BNP Paribas (BNPP.PA) and Societe Generale (SOGN.PA), is in the early stages of an overhaul under new Chief Executive Jean-Paul Chifflet, who has espoused a back-to-basics retail banking strategy at odds with his predecessor's ambitions to make the bank a major global player in financial markets...

With credit markets virtually closed to euro zone banks, all French lenders have announced cutbacks in lending to slash debt and wean themselves off once-cheap wholesale funding, especially in U.S. dollars.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The crisis in the eurozone could cause a credit crunch in the United Kingdom, said Spencer Dale, the Bank of England's chief economist, in an interview with Bloomberg TV on Tuesday.

"U.K. banks haven't been able to issue unsecured term debt for most of the second half of this year," he said. Dale added that if funding markets do not open again, "there’s a real risk that credit conditions in our economy could tighten further."

That means it could become 2008 all over again, Bloomberg TV noted.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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After the Federal Reserve announced no major new moves, U.S. stock markets plunged and closed lower on Tuesday, Reuters reports.

The S&P 500 fell 0.87 percent, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 0.55 percent, or 66.45 points. The NASDAQ closed 1.26 percent lower.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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A credit crunch is beginning to materialize in Europe.

Eurozone banks had deposited $453.5 billion at the European Central Bank by Monday night, the highest level since June of 2010, highlighting that eurozone banks are shunning lending to each other, according to The Financial Times.

European banks also are relying more heavily on the ECB's emergency funding system, according to the FT.

"The financial system is no longer functioning properly. Very few banks can get short-term loans in the private markets. It is only a handful of the very biggest and strongest banks that can," one trader told the FT.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Negotiations between the Greek government and private holders of Greek government debt have delayed their talks on reducing the value of their holdings in Greek debt by 50 percent, which is delaying a $170 billion European bailout package for Greece, The Financial Times reports.

The article said that private bondholders, which are largely European banks, are demanding that government bondholders take the same haircut on their Greek debt, that the interest rates be high, and that the new Greek government bonds be governed by British law so that the Greek government cannot unilaterally reduce their payments in the future. Both sides are using delays to the talks as a strategy to strengthen their negotiating position.

From The Financial Times article:

“We expected to complete on the bonds in December, now it’s looking like February,” said one official....

“If that is true about February, we are headed for a bad end. Markets need confirmation of an agreement by early January,“ the person said, pointing to another visit to Athens by EU and IMF officials in mid-January.

An IMF staff report published on Tuesday said that the protracted negotiations over restructuring sovereign debt had worsened market conditions.

"The drawn-out debt restructuring discussions have taken a toll on market sentiment and ratcheted up pressure on the banking system (which is heavily exposed to sovereign bonds)," the report said.

Read the full article here.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Martin Wolf, chief economics commentator for The Financial Times, wrote in a column Tuesday that last week's European summit was a "disastrous failure," since the debt limits will force many eurozone economies to endure a protracted recession.

From his column:

This leaves much the most plausible outcome of the orgy of fiscal austerity: long-term structural recessions in vulnerable countries. To put it bluntly, the single currency will come to stand for wage falls, debt deflation and prolonged economic slumps. Can this stand, however big the costs of a break-up?

The eurozone has no credible plan to fix the flaws of the eurozone, apart from greater fiscal austerity: there is to be no fiscal, financial or political union; and there is to be no balanced mechanism for economic adjustment on both sides of the creditor-debtor divide. The decision is, instead, to try still harder with a stability and growth pact whose failures have been both predictable and persistent.

You can read the whole column here.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The Federal Reserve said that the European crisis poses a risk to the U.S. economy, Reuters reports:

The Federal Reserve on Tuesday pointed to turmoil in Europe as a big risk to the economy, leaving the door open to a further easing of monetary policy even as it noted some improvement in the labor market.

Read Reuters' full story here:

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Another sign emerged on Tuesday that investors who have become increasingly worried about European bonds are buying up U.S. government debt instead.

Demand for 10-year U.S. Treasury notes outstripped supply 3.53 times at a bond auction on Tuesday: higher than the average of 3.04 over the last eight auctions, the Associated Press reported. Foreign investors bought 61 percent of the bonds, in contrast to 42.8 percent in recent auctions.

The interest rate on 10-year Treasury notes fell to 1.95 percent from 2.02 percent on late Monday, according to the Associated Press.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Greece and Germany will start talks next week to establish a development bank modeled after the German reconstruction bank that was founded in 1948 as part of the Marshall Plan to rebuild Germany after World War II, Dow Jones Newswires reported on Tuesday.

From Dow Jones Newswires:

"It is a new step in order to [provide] liquidity and finance the Greek market," Greece's Economy Minister, Michalis Chrysochoidis, told reporters. "This lack of liquidity is a vital problem of Greece and so we need this liquidity."

Germany's Economy Minister Philipp Roesler stressed that Germany's role was to "provide know-how to establish [the bank's] infrastructure," not to provide monetary support.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel acknowledged in a speech on Tuesday that European economies need to grow, in a slight shift away from her emphasis on budget discipline and price stability, which critics say will keep growth anemic in the eurozone.

“Stability culture and budget discipline is an important facet of the entire package, but we also have to focus on growth impulses as well as employment,” Merkel said, according to Bloomberg News.

"Joblessness is still very high in great parts of Europe," Merkel acknowledged, according to Dow Jones Newswires.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The International Monetary Fund said in a country review on Tuesday that the Greek economy will shrink up to 6 percent in 2012, higher than Greece's official estimate of 5.5 percent, according to Dow Jones Newswires.

"The economy is trending notably lower than what was expected," the IMF said, according to Dow Jones. "Greece is still well away from the critical mass of reforms needed to transform the investment climate."

IMF mission chief Poul Thomsen said on Tuesday that Greece had reached the limit of revenue that it could achieve by raising taxes and that now it needs to focus on spending cuts, according to the Associated Press.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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IHS Global Insight forecasts that the eurozone is going to experience a double-dip recession in 2012. They wrote on Tuesday:

All indications are that the Eurozone will suffer through a recession in 2012—a mild one if the region’s sovereign-debt problems are resolved, or a deep one if they are not. Fiscal austerity is in full swing, bank credit is tightening, and confidence is plummeting. With few exceptions, the Eurozone economies will see negative growth next year, with the region as a whole contracting by about 0.7%—at best. Possible, though unlikely, is a much worse recession triggered by messy sovereign defaults and/or euro exits.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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European banks are selling some of their fastest-growing businesses in order to raise capital to meet the European Banking Authority's capital requirements by June, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday.

From Bloomberg:

Spain’s Banco Santander SA (SAN), Belgium’s KBC Groep NV (KBC) and Germany’s Deutsche Bank AG are accelerating plans to exit profitable operations outside their home markets. Santander, which said in October it needs to plug a 5.2 billion-euro ($6.9 billion) capital gap, sold its Colombian unit last week to Chile’s Corpbanca for $1.16 billion. Deutsche Bank is weighing options including a sale of most of its asset-management unit, while KBC may dispose of businesses in Poland.

Such sales risk hurting long-term profit, just as Europe enters recession, investors say. It’s the unintended consequence of the decision by European regulators to make banks increase core capital to 9 percent by June instead of 2019. Unwilling to raise equity because their share prices are too low, lenders are selling profitable assets because they’re struggling to find buyers willing to pay enough for their troubled loans to avoid a loss that would erode capital. Investors say the sales risk leaving banks focused on a stagnant economy and deprive them of economic growth from outside the region.

You can read the whole story here.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Alan Blinder, a Princeton economics professor and former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, wrote in an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday that Europe has a "German problem," since Germany has outpaced other eurozone members in productivity, exports, and economic growth, and because the country is not likely to volunteer for higher inflation in its own borders through a stimulus. He added that structural economic reforms are unlikely to jumpstart struggling eurozone economies since they take years to have an impact.

Blinder concluded:

The other countries can experience deflation, meaning a prolonged decline in both wages and prices, which is incredibly difficult and painful—and generally happens only in protracted recessions. Sadly, this may be the most likely way out.

Thus the euro zone has a big, visible Greek problem, which is a result of failure. But it also has a far bigger, though less visible, German problem, which is a result of success.

Wish them well.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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A volatile day's trading in Europe saw mainland Europe's markets finally close slightly down, with trade very thin as investors wait for clarity on the details of an EU plan to shore up the limping single currency. The German DAX ended down 0.35% and the CAC-40 lost 0.19%.

In the UK, volume was much higher, and the FTSE-100 gained 1.15%.

The euro had a bad day, falling to 11 month lows against the dollar after Angela Merkel reiterated that the European Stability Mechanism, a €500bn bailout facility, would not be scaled up.

Tuesday's main developments include:
  • The "six pack" of measures designed to bring countries back on track towards fiscal stability came into force. Crucially, these include sanctions for countries that fail to keep their public deficit below 3% of gross domestic product (GDP), and an "excessive deficit procedure" - a readjustment programme - for governments with debt of more than 60% of GDP.
  • Markets have slid back slightly, but volumes have been small as investors keep their powder dry.
  • A Spanish short term bond auction went fairly well, with good cover and more moderate yields, but 10-year debt from both Spain and Italy have seen their yields drifting upwards again.
  • The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) sold short term debt with strong cover, despite fears that it may see its debt downgraded.
  • David Cameron has been warned by senior EU officials that his veto on Friday won't protect the banks, and that his proposals would have damaged the single market.

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The markets believe that Greece has almost a 100 percent chance of defaulting on its debt sometime in the next five years, according to a Bank of England analysis cited by Carl Emmerson, deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, in BBC News.

Other countries do not fare well. The markets believe that Portugal has about a 60 percent chance of defaulting sometime in the next five years, Ireland has about a 47 percent chance of default, Spain has more than a 30 percent chance of default, and that Italy -- Europe's third largest economy -- has more than a 35 percent chance of default, according to the Bank of England analysis. If Italy or Spain default on their debt, a breakup of the eurozone would be highly likely, according to some economists.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Italy is paying more for three-year government bonds than ten-year bonds, suggesting that the markets are losing confidence in Italy's ability to repay its debt, according to data from the Bank of Italy cited by BBC News.

Richard Portes, economics professor at London Business School, outlined the implications:

Italian debt yields have risen to unsustainable levels. Recognising this, the markets could overnight refuse to roll over Italy’s maturing debt at any price. Italy would be forced to default. No Italian banks could survive the write-down on their Italian public debt holdings, and the sovereign could not bail them out. Banks in many other countries would be compromised because of direct exposure and interbank exposures to Italian institutions. A generalised, global financial crisis would follow, far worse than after Lehman's failure.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The euro has fallen to its lowest level against the dollar since January - with $1.3122 to every €1.00.

The single currency has been relatively buoyant despite the crisis, in part because of a deficit of options. The dollar itself has been fairly weak as concerns over the US debt reduction plan have worried investors. The Yen and the Swiss franc have seen big inflows, but investors have kept hold of their euros.

As confidence in the crisis plan wanes, it seems they are reassessing that decision.

In the stock markets, French and German indices have turned around and are now broadly flat.

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Greece would face a host of economic difficulties if it left the euro, though ultimately it may be an effective way for Greece to pull its way out of its current depression, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.

Already many Greeks are preparing for the possible event of a euro exit. Greeks have withdrawn about $53 billion in deposits -- equal to about 17 percent of Greece's gross domestic product -- from the banking system, out of concern that a Greek exit could severely devalue their deposits, the NYT reported.

If Greece left the euro, according to the NYT, then the new currency, the drachma, would lose more than 60 percent of its value against the euro, and there would likely be a freeze on bank deposits in order to prevent people from pulling their deposits from the Greek banking system. Greece would be forced to default on its debt, since investors would not want their debt repaid in devalued drachmas. No one else would be willing to lend to Greece. It would be extremely expensive for Greeks to travel elsewhere, because of the low value of the drachma. There could even be hyperinflation.

Nonetheless, since the currency would be cheaper and Greece would have regained control of its monetary policy, "Greece’s chances of returning to growth might improve drastically," the NYT wrote.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF), the eurozone's bailout fund, held its first short-dated bond sale on Tuesday, seeing strong demand. The auction was covered more than three times over, as investors saw the opportunity to buy some highly-rated short-term debt.

How the EFSF fares in its longer-term debt auctions remains to be seen. The threat of a downgrade is still hanging over the fund, as Standard and Poors (S&P) put the entire eurozone and its bailout mechanism on its watch list.

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Markets around the world reversed their downward streak and rose slightly on Tuesday, indicating that not all investors are panicking about the crisis in Europe. In Europe, the DAX in Germany rose 0.65 percent, and the CAC 40 in France rose 0.02 percent as of 9:21 a.m. ET, according to Thomson Reuters. Meanwhile, stock markets in the United States also opened higher, with the S&P 500 rising 0.77 percent during the first eight minutes of trading and the Dow Jones Industrial Average rising 96.5 points, or 0.80 percent.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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An element of stating the obvious in the Association of Investment Companies (AIC) annual poll results, but managers in the UK are worried that the eurozone crisis is going to keep the heat on stock markets into next year.

At first reading, what is most surprising is that only 62% think that the eurozone crisis is the biggest threat to stocks next year, but then, most of the balance (33%) say that their major fear is a full-blown global recession.

In a comment accompanying the AIC's release, Slim Feriani, who manages two funds, summed up the doomsday scenario:

“If Germany and/or the ECB don’t draw a line in the sand regarding the European debt crisis sooner rather than later, then a plunge in the Eurozone will lead the whole EU into a recession; the hit on confidence can easily drive a struggling US into a double-dip; and the slowdown in China will accelerate as recession in the external sector will hit small and medium enterprises particularly hard and the loss of confidence will drive housing prices to fall more than otherwise. Under this scenario all bets are off!"

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Outside of the European Union for a moment - the Swiss government downgraded its forecasts on Tuesday, saying that the country would slip back to just 0.7% GDP growth in 2012.

Switzerland has suffered from its own status as a safe haven. The Swiss franc appreciated sharply over the summer, and the government was compelled to intervene in the currency markets in order to try to keep the heat off.

That didn't exactly work, the franc has run ahead of the euro and the upshot is that Switzerland's exports of high grade machinery have been seriously hit.

The euro has been weakening this week, and if it falls further there could be yet more pressure on the "Swissy" and the country's economy.

Isolation, coupled with huge export exposure to a struggling single market without any ability to influence the politics? The UK should perhaps take note.

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Here's a piece from the Huffington Post in the US noting that as the eurozone crisis drags on, American banks and markets are increasingly concerned about being drawn into the morass.

Bonnie Kavoussi and Catherine New write:

Though most U.S. banks said that they have limited exposure to Europe's troubles, economists and analysts counter that financial institutions are substantially vulnerable. At issue is not just how exposed each bank is to Europe, but how exposed their financial partners are.

The issue of counterparty risk, as well as the lack of transparency about who owns what in relation to European debt and the fact that liquidity globally could well be restricted in the event of a default in the Old World makes these fears real and credible.

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Newt Gingrich seems to be channeling Sarah Palin's claim that she understood foreign affairs because she could see Russia from her house.

The Boston Globe reports that Gingrich has, for the second time, referenced a cruise he took around Greece as a valuable experience in understanding the unfolding European sovereign debt crisis.

Gingrich got a chance to "talk to folks in Greece" during his holiday, according to the Globe.

This might not be as mad as it sounds. After all, a major source of Greece's crisis and the political paralysis that has hampered attempts to resolve it has been the growing divide between the Greek elite - who pay little tax, keep their money offshore and benefit from tangled property rights - and the ordinary man on the street.

This divide is well highlighted by the enormous differences between the satellite ports of Athens Glyfada and Piraeus - the first a St Tropez-esque forest of yacht masts and polished nightclubs, the other a swamp of rust, dive bars and shoddy motels.

We're sure that's what Gingrich meant.

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03:35 AM on 12/15/2011
Mr President, you must have seen this situation coming, since the books were first fiddled allowing some countries into the EU that were neither properly prepared or could ever meet its standards, but you did nothing about it. In fact you ignored it. Now you face the whirlwind you helped create.........but without us, sir, if you please!
01:22 PM on 12/14/2011
Barroso,Murkel, and Sarkozy, its like watching an old classic film, the three stoogies.
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09:52 AM on 12/14/2011
'Would Have Threatened Single Market' Barroso Says.
Sort of begs the question?
I expect he'll get a chance to vote again and get it right next time. (There are precedents!)
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Vapula
Failure is not an option
10:57 PM on 12/13/2011
So 26 countries were all wrong and Camoron was right. I don't think so. Camoron has done nothing good for the UK and may, in fact, have done something very wrong.
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07:30 AM on 12/14/2011
I play poker...I'd rather have Cameron's hand than Merkel's it's a much better position.  That boy should take another look outside the box, there's some serious potential here.
10:34 PM on 07/20/2012
The EU should treat the UK like the US treated Rhode Island: get on board or GTFO.
09:12 PM on 12/13/2011
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said Britain's position on a future EU treaty on financial regulation posed a "risk to the integrity of the single market" It has nothing to do with the fact that the Euro was doomed from the beginning. Nothing to do with the fact Germany is trying to do with money what it could not do with arms.This must be the first time in history that rats are boarding a sinking ship.
07:05 PM on 12/13/2011
What we are hearing from the eurozone is the best example of the problem with the EU. Either you agree with what they say, or you are made ther villian. There is no rooom for a difference of oppinion. France and Germany say jump, and the only response accepted it "was that high enough". They want everyone to march lock step right over the edge of the cliff if they order it. Perhaps, if the "union" acted like a gathering of equals, willing to listen to eachother instead of ordering people to agree or else, things would be better. Barroso is so busy defending his turf, that anyone who does not agree endangers his power is a threat.
08:18 PM on 12/13/2011
I would also like to add that without the European buget being auditable, and it never has been, how can anyone trust whatever 'they' cook up to solve this problem, however they raise the funds, that they are not being 'siphoned' off elsewhere. First and foremost they should get that budget in order before ordering other countries to resolve their own budgets (though we all can see it needs doing). Both France and Germany failed to meet the EU budgetry constraints in the not too distant past, with no penalty, so before jumping down the UK's throat, take a look at the rest of europe first, and the European commision!
09:35 PM on 12/13/2011
Quot "e:I would also like to add that without the European buget being auditable, and it never has been"

I posted this below but you seem to have missed it so I will repeat my comment.

Valid accounts have always been submitted by the EU but unlike UK auditors the EU auditors have operated to a higher standard and not given unqualifie­d reports when they are not satisfied with the level of non compliance with EU regulation­s.

From the Court of Auditors press release 10 November 2011: "As regards the annual accounts, the Court issued for the fourth consecutiv­e year an unqualifie­d positive opinion. I am pleased that the efforts of our accounting reform led once again to such a positive assessment by the Court."

This informatio­n seems to have by-passed the europhobic media. I wonder why?

You seem to be either ignorant or disingenuous. Which is it?
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08:59 PM on 12/13/2011
The opposite is true. YOU are demonstrating that you do not see it as a gathering of equals, but a forum in which ONE single nation should be able to derail everything, even against the explicit wish of all others. That's no gathering of equals. Your claim that France and Germany demanded of the others to jump and they complied could not be further from the truth - the others opposed the change to the Lisbon treaty that Germany wanted.
05:33 PM on 12/13/2011
Time to invest in gold i think
04:42 PM on 12/13/2011
No mention from Barossa that Greece, Italy, Spain, etc., by their actions could have brought the EU down then?
Lord Elpus
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12:44 AM on 12/14/2011
Hardly surprising, the guy's an overpaid non-elected idiot living in euro cuckoo land
03:48 PM on 12/13/2011
Mr Barroso is right .Tories idiots, going to destroyed the UK economy, and they are against democracy. Air passenger duty (APD) will rise next year. This sends a message to the world that UK is a difficult and expensive place to do business.’
08:11 PM on 12/13/2011
Have you ever had the opportunity to vote for any European commisioner? How democratic is taht?
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OH72
09:01 PM on 12/13/2011
Have you ever had the opportunity to vote for a prime minister? How democratic is that? The EU commissioners have to have a vote of confidence by the EU parliament, just like the Prime Minister has to have a vote of confidence from Westminster. Seems you don't quite get that "representative democracy" thing.
03:22 PM on 12/13/2011
Makes me laugh all what is being said on the continent.
One there in the article say that Brittain need to impose greater financial regulations, which is unny, as one of the main reasons why Cameron refused to sign the new treaty was because the new treaty didnt go as far as he wanted it to go on finanicial regulation.
The UK will be more than fine alone, and for people to say Cameron has damage the single market are idiots. The single market has been damaged most by Germany as they have abused it for too long.
Europe need us, far more than we need them.
04:03 PM on 12/13/2011
yeah fine alone with itself, if we were talking about coal mines, manufacturing companies etc they would have been sold down the river, but Cameron needs to protect the bankers and their banks.
01:07 PM on 12/13/2011
Tighter banking reform in EU & USA will make reform in UK come quickly.Reform of City of London as the worlds biggest Tax Haven is long overdue and plans for reform should be going ahead now
04:06 PM on 12/13/2011
What good is vetoing if you the only one vetoing with not one single ally? seems like its time to leave the club and stay on your own.
05:02 PM on 12/13/2011
That wasn't the eurozone plan. All they wanted was a Tobin tax on every financial transaction in the UK. Nobody's opposed to banking reform. We just don't believe we should hand over any more money to prop up the useless countries that lied to get into the euro. They are losing the politicians they voted for and having them replaced by candidates chosen by the Fourth Reich
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OH72
09:04 PM on 12/13/2011
Good to see you are so profoundly rooted in the land of make-believe.

First, it's a lie that all they wanted was a Tobin tax - as is evident by the debt block.
Second, it's a lite that several countries lied to get into the Euro - that's Greece
Third, it's a lie that they lose politicians they voted for and have them replaced by others. The fact is that their parliament, which elected the old prime ministers, elected new ones in their stead.

As for the drivel about the Fourth Reich, given that it is YOU who want to strip the people of Italy and Greece of their sovereignty and force onto them a constitution of your own liking, with "Friends" such as you, they need no enemies.

But it is plain evident that you are utterly unfamiliar with any political process whatsoever or you wouldn't find it unusual that parliament elects a prime minister.
01:00 PM on 12/13/2011
Britain as a member of EU has a right to a seat at the table.However,Euro probs. are not for BRITAIN. We look after our own probs.and don't need EU telling us what to do.
03:28 PM on 12/13/2011
I so agree. It is for Europe to sort out themselves. And under no circumstance should a Brittish PM sign a treaty that hands power to make key policies to Europe.
And as Cameron said in his speech yesterday, just because we said no to the treaty, doesnt mean we are out of Europe, we are still part of the single market, not only that, the treaty that the 26 states come up with is almost worthless, as they cant do anything to override the treaties set out previously by the 27 member states.
03:47 PM on 12/13/2011
I agree, maybe its time we draw further back from our so called European friends, I do feel we in Britain have had enough of this German lead European Union which I can not see how Britain has benefited, what do we in Britain gain through our massive payments into the EU,our industry is all but gone we are inundated with Eastern European's and we still pay a massive £20 million a day more into Europe than we get out.
Time for a referendum on our continued partnership with our European neighbours.
12:37 PM on 12/13/2011
The Torys and Cameron now will of course set a date for a REFERENDUM on Europe. They will use the Public's dislike of European Union to their advantage...as cover to say "See, the UK PUBLIC support us and this position"...The UK public also support kicking out the bl***Y Pak**, smoking in Pubs , Zero VAT and re nationalizing the Rails...relying on the Public's support on this issue is NOT leadership...it is cowardice in the least and hypocrisy in it's highest form.
03:40 PM on 12/13/2011
Dont hold your breath on a referendum.
Cameron has always stated, there will be no referendum unless it was a power changing treaty.
And im sure if you asked the UK public opinion on kicking out any non-Brits, then i bet you will get the pretty much the same answer every time. Which would be along the lines of, a foreigner shouldnt be in the country unless there skills are needed, and we have every Brit in a job.
And about re-nationalising the rail, i think its a great idea. At the moment the government subsidises the rail fare to keep them cheaper to the tune of billions a year, not to mention pays for pretty much every cst of fixing the lines, and building new ones. In effect, the rail is nationalises without any benifit to the country, as every penny goes to the private firms.
12:36 PM on 12/13/2011
The European Community (originally called European Economic Community) was founded on March 25, 1957 by the signing of the Treaty of Rome. With such common interests as economic, social and trade matters, the manipulated countries easily morphed into the European Union which was created on February 7, 1992 in Maastricht, Netherlands, known as the Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty of European Union, TEU), for the place where it was signed. The treaty was entered into force on November 1, 1993.

Down with independence and personal freedoms! courtesy of Europe, no-one here signed up for what this has become, if you want overbearing political dictators, remain in the EU, if we get the chance I hope common sense prevails and we leave.
03:21 PM on 12/13/2011
Quote: "no-one here signed up for what this has become"

Really?

In the Treaty of Rome, right up front there is an opening statement:

Quote: "DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe"

This is in the very first sentence, note "ever-closer union". The 1975 UK referendum voted in favour of this.

Then soon after that, before the principles are set out in detail:

Quote: "ANXIOUS to strengthen the unity of their economies and to ensure their harmonious development by reducing the differences existing between the various regions and the backwardness of the less favoured regions"

This is precisely what the EU has been doing.

Then comes Part One - Principles

Quote: "ARTICLE 2
The Community shall have as its task, by establishing a common market and progressively approximating the economic policies of Member States, to promote throughout the Community a harmonious development of economic activities, a continuous and balanced expansion, an increase in stability, an accelerated raising of the standard of living and closer relations between the States belonging to it."

This could describe the activities of the recent EU summit. In short the members, apart from the UK, are conducting themselves just as they agreed to do. And it's all in the 1957 Treaty of Rome and Britons voted for it!
03:45 PM on 12/13/2011
"raising the standard of living", that worked well didn't it, just not for the majority. By the way quote what you like, as per the norm the British public was unaware they were signing their lives away to foreign rule, they were told the same then as they are now, very little about the implications of membership, I voted against this then, my opinions of this organization haven't altered one iota, a sham which serves the few rather than the many.
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12:19 PM on 12/13/2011
So Barroso has reiterated his support for eurobonds when negotiations will begin again in earnest, in March? And Deutsche Bank's forecast for 2012 is that 'pretty much anything can happen'?

Ordinary people in Europe will pay the price for the gross negligence of its political class...