UK Set To Join Eurozone Discussions

First Posted: 16/12/2011 05:31 GMT Updated: 14/02/2012 09:12 GMT   PA

British officials are to take part in "technical discussions" on new arrangements to govern the eurozone economies, despite David Cameron blocking a new EU treaty at last week's Brussels summit.

The move - agreed on Thursday night in a telephone call between Mr Cameron and the President of the European Council, Herman von Rompuy - is likely to be seen as an olive branch both to the other EU countries and his Liberal Democrat coalition partners.

"The Prime Minister reiterated that he wants the new fiscal agreement to succeed, and to find the right way forward that ensures the EU institutions fulfil their role as guardian of the EU treaty on issues such as the single market," a No 10 spokesman said.

"That's why we have today agreed to participate in technical discussions to take forward this work."

On Thursday night, the head of the International Monetary Fund Christine Lagarde warned Europe's debt crisis would not be solved by Europe alone and called on all countries to work together to avoid a 1930s-style depression.

"It's not a crisis that will be resolved by one group of countries taking action," she said in Washington. "It's going to be hopefully resolved by all countries, all regions, all categories of countries actually taking action."

Earlier, Mr Cameron's spokesman rejected reports that the Prime Minister was agitating against the "fiscal compact" agreed by the other 26 member states last Friday.

In recent days, Mr Cameron has spoken to his counterparts in non-euro states Denmark, Sweden and the Czech Republic, all of whom are said to have concerns about the compact, as well as with Enda Kenny of eurozone member Ireland, who has warned he may have to put it to a referendum. "He has been speaking to a number of different European leaders in recent days and will continue to do so in the coming days, with the objective in mind of making clear that we want to engage constructively," said the spokesman.

Nevertheless, cracks appeared to be emerging in the group of 26 when Hungary and the Czech Republic said they would not join the new agreement unless plans for tax harmonisation were dropped. Neither country uses the euro and both said in Brussels last week that they would consult their parliaments before deciding whether to sign up.

Following talks in Budapest, Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orban and his Czech counterpart Petr Necas said they wanted to take active roles in negotiations over the new agreement but required further details of how it would affect non-eurozone nations.

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12:10 PM on 12/17/2011
I can see only one way of solving the Euro crisis,this will emerge in steps,as to all the Euro countries,they are represented by their Euro mp,s and leaders,but most of the talking and laying down of the law comes from one nation with its lapdog serving the law,this is totally wrong.
If the USA were invited,mainly their top economists and the same offer was given to China,yet again as sitting guests,then have all of these countries to give the pros and cons of what they are worried about.
If China and the USA then gave their feedback of what they would like to see happen,then all of these countries in the EU could sit and thrash out a policy,with the USA and China officials present,and then,and I do say then,with the ideas of all present and all in agreement,then this would be called the EUROPEAN UNION.
If and when this did happen and all parties were present,if anything did go wrong in the future then this would be GLOBAL MELTDOWN,as all nations would have taken part.
This is the only way to stop the meltdown of the EU and if it did take place then I can see the markets picking up very quickly indeed.As to Merkel and the frog laying down the law,as to their ideas,I cannot see them working at all.
11:06 AM on 12/17/2011
Meanwhile Rome burns! There is one simple economic truth - unless there is fiscal, political and economic union you can't have a common currency. Sufficient unrest exists to protect national interests - even in the most pro-European countries - to indicate that this union is years away, if ever even possible. Any suggestion to facilitate this type of union would undoubtedly meet with significamt resistance once the peoples of Europe understand the implications and are given an opportunity to express their view. An orderly withdrawal from an EU is one thing, to continue with their 'grand plan' to have a federal Europe is an entirely different concept, not least because it would not pass the 'people referendum' test!
So, please stop tinkering, playing party politics and childish games with millions of lives. Show some real leadership, and work towards a trading market block, with individual currencies once again. In economic principle terms, this 'allows' each national government to find their own plateau of efficiency and effectiveness, policed by currency fluctuation.
We are still awaiting real, strategic and visionary leadership, founded on values of integrity, transparency, and humility.
07:08 AM on 12/17/2011
Getting ourselves out, are the only Eurozone discussions we should be having.
07:32 PM on 12/16/2011
Despite the comments made by members of the French government and a phone call made by the French PM doesn’t show how concerned they are about losing Great Britain’s support?
To me it looks like they want us in talks to moderate the German aggressive approach.
If these talks take place with Britain lets hope that somewhere down the line they eventually realise that one single monitory policy will never work as long as each country as their own fiscal policy.
As said before it would be like each country playing a different game with the same single ball all at the same time.
The only way it can work successfully is if you have one super government governing all the countries using the EURO.
They would have to enforce the same taxation, wage scales and trading laws right across all the different countries.
While this is not happening the EURO will never work and I can see it all falling apart within the next two to three years.
Great Britain should turn it’s back on it all and walk away before we are drawn in to far.
concodtob
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08:19 PM on 12/16/2011
Well said but i can see the Euro falling apart much earlier than 2-3 years.Either that or the Germans agree to the ECB becoming lender of last resort which is hugely unpopular in Germany.

This latest fiscal compact is already causing rows in Sweden,Danemark,Czech rebublic,Ireland,Hungary,and Poland.The treaty will lead to countries loosing control of their budgets.Some countries like Sweden are not even in the Euro so why should they sign it?

It's an EU power-grab nothing more nothing less for an EU federalist superstate.Referendums must be given to the people of these countries before their governments sign anything.
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06:31 PM on 12/16/2011
cameron will sign this agreement after winning a few crumbs for london . its a complete set up
katertaif
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10:08 PM on 12/16/2011
I fully agree with you there. Veto the treaty, so no treaty change, therefore no referendum. The others say they will go ahead anyway, and Cameron and co suddenly agree to sit in for technical reasons. There will be the usual cobbled together form of words which, as per usual mean very little, and certainly will not solve the crisis. Cameron will return triumphantly to announce once again that there was no treaty change,and so no referendum is required. They may even as you say throw us a crumb or two to make it look good.
concodtob
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05:47 PM on 12/16/2011
I think the massive power-grab by Barroso and his gravytrain chums has been rumbled.The Swedes,Czechs,Danes,Hungarians,Poles,and Irish are now coming round to the UK's thinking.Signing up to this fiscal compact will destroy national severignty.The people of these countries must be given a referendum.
05:46 PM on 12/16/2011
Let the british people decide. Why dosen't Cameron just sit back and hold referendum, problem solved and he can save all his energy for the outcome. Best way to end this arguement for good.
11:41 AM on 12/17/2011
you are right in what you are saying , but it doesnt take it far enough, its not just the people the UK it should be a euro wide referendum, because reading between the lines on a loty of the comments here , other countries want it back to where it was before sdome politicians decided that we should all unite into one union, it hasnt worked and will never work ,the culture difference is so great to be unable to over come an agreement. let the rights of Joe bloggs and the working man and women who keep these people in employment. let the people decide.
05:41 PM on 12/16/2011
The only reason they want is round the table is so they can blame the UK when this deal goes belly up.

No appeasement Cameron. Germans and French have shown their true colours. Steer well clear.
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05:31 PM on 12/16/2011
Dont they understand we want out of the EU
05:34 PM on 12/16/2011
so did Ireland, but they kept voting until they finerly gave up and succumed
08:26 PM on 12/16/2011
Succumbed. the low level of intelligence this indicates is a national scandal, or should be.
06:18 PM on 12/16/2011
That was clearly demonstrated by the 5% share in the vote that UKIP got at yesterday's by-election!
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04:57 PM on 12/16/2011
I think you will find Ireland are with Britain on this Euro crisis - they want out too.
04:55 PM on 12/16/2011
help
03:36 PM on 12/16/2011
Well they need someone to sweep up and clear the tables.
04:06 PM on 12/16/2011
Sweeping up the eurozone's mess again sounds about right.
02:46 PM on 12/16/2011
Just for a moment Cameron looked tough and talked tough and did what was best for Britain. What a deceitful charade that was. Now we know his true colours, a sickly shade of yellow.
03:41 PM on 12/16/2011
Why do you say he has been deceitful? He hasnt done anything yet. He has only been asked to attend a new meeting, which as head of state he is meant to do.
He has played it well so far, lets hope he goes to this next meeting (now with new allies) and demands more from europe, and forces his points.
Aslong as he sticks to his guns, and doesnt back down.
06:23 PM on 12/16/2011
Deceitful because Cameron knew all along that he would back down. Just like his predecessors. When dealing with Europe theres a sort of "rule" that seems to be followed. You talk really tough and stand up for Britain, then a few days later signal your readiness to back down. Attending the meeting is Camerons "signal". Also his "new allies" will slowly be picked off one by one over the coming weeks and months. You say Cameron should "Demand more from Europe"? Europe has never granted us more of anything except unwanted and destructive directives. Like most europhiles I feel you are being naive, but I hope I am proved wrong, I really do, because the future of this country rests on what happens over the coming months. If Cameron backs down then you can kiss goodbye to The City as financial centre of Europe. The Germans and the French have longed for its demise and the transfer of financial power to Frankfurt. Cameron knows this, so if he does back down and allows it to happen then he will be even more despised than Grocer Heath.
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09:04 PM on 12/16/2011
well he is deceiful "the nhs is safe in my hands" stands out and of he did promise us a referendum on the eu
02:30 PM on 12/16/2011
Richard Corbett, an adviser to President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy, UK officials would "have the right to speak at those talks and put their view forward".
But he said, as it was not signing up to the agreement, it "will be in a sense an observer at those talks".
It is also reported that after an agreement on a treaty the UK would not attend future meetings
So let’s not get carried away same situation different words and no big victory for Cameron
04:04 PM on 12/16/2011
You need to stop listening to hearsay.
Firstly, as a full original member of the "common market", European union as it is now, he can not be excluded from any meetings that are deemed as European meetings.
With him not signing up to the first treaty, then in theory that treaty is dead in the water as it needs all 27 members to sign to be legally classed as a EU treaty.
The other nations can make a new treaty, but it cant take or override any powers from a treaty that all 27 members have signed. So again in theory, this new treaty is effectively useless.
And it is a victory of sorts for Cameron, as he has gained respect from the EU nations, as they know they need him to make it work.
04:35 PM on 12/16/2011
I must tell the President of the European Council's advisor that he does not know what he's on about.
04:42 PM on 12/16/2011
Clearly you missed that thanks to Cameron holding the addition of fiscal discipline measures to the EU Lisabon treaty hostage to win an exception for the city the 26 were forced to have this addition outside the EU treaty. Yes that treaty can go beyond the EU treaty and Britain will not be bound by such extensions.
IMy guess is that mrs Merkel recognizing the egos involved requested Rompuy to mediate. Cameron would have to swallow his pride to ask for this.
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07:16 PM on 12/16/2011
Because of Cameron’s veto, Britain lost a seat at the negotiating table????
Not true. The UK was never itself going to take part in the Merkozy pact (and potentially be subject to EU sanctions), and therefore not in the monthly, parallel EU meetings that will begin in January, either. Even if he had approved the Treaty changes, Cameron still would not have had a seat at the table. Wider political challenges aside, the veto didn’t change anything structurally in terms of UK influence.
02:30 PM on 12/16/2011
I do hope we are there just as observers, and not buckling under gang pressure at the first hurdle.

We do have independen­ce to set our own interest rates now, thanks to our veto determinat­ion to allow our own Central Bank to govern our fiscal policies. Its this the credit rating agencies, and world money markets have much more confidence in, rather than unwieldy inefficient monolithic institutions unable to respond quickly, and always prone to systemic corruption seen these past 40 years.

Coupled with our determinat­ion to bring down debt which Monolithic Europe has failed to do, or France one of the leading players, who's debt alone now stands at 98.6% of GDP against ours at 90%, this boosts confidence in us even more on the global money markets.

We must not let 'europhile­s' like Danny Alexander and Christine Largarde scare monger us into being coerced into this EU Treaty. I regard the later an emissary of France's interests anyway and really should not have been given this position.

Europe simple isn't the only trading block we have, there's the 52 member states of the Commonwealth for example and, doing very well thank you!. It wont happen in five minutes but, given a steady hand (and nerve) at the helm we will do it.

I think we now have a leadership which promotes Britain's interests providing they don't fall at the first post after Christmas and entangle us into yet another Treaty and more of Europe's debt.
02:56 PM on 12/16/2011
Too many "we" this "we" that, then the predictable "our", you ought to work for the media, you've been totally brainwashed by them, sad to realise you might think the way you write/speak.
03:24 PM on 12/16/2011
Monolithic Europe
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Follow the news much? Make up your own? EU is divided deeply on all current serious issues. Protected by your cliches from realty , you rattle on.