Foreign Criminals Tough To Deport, Says Immigration Minister

Foreign Criminals Deported

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 19/12/11 18:06 GMT Updated: 20/12/11 09:51 GMT

The thorny issue of whether foreigners who commit crimes in the UK should be deported immediately surfaced in the House of Commons on Monday afternoon. The debate was triggered by revelations in a leaked report from the UK Border Agency, which showed many foreign criminals had remained in the UK despite attempts to deport them, and some had been arrested subsequently for serious offences including rape and murder.

In an urgent question tabled by Labour's shadow immigration minister, Chris Bryant, the government said it was doing all it could to remove foreign criminals from British soil, but this was being blocked by judges on human rights grounds in many cases.

Immigration minister Damian Green told the Commons that there were nearly 4,000 foreign criminals in Britain awaiting deportation - a reduction of 1,000 on recent figures. Some of those remained in jail, others had been released after serving their sentences.

"We are doing everything in our power to increase the number and speed of the removals,' Green told the Commons, saying the coalition government had begun the deportation process for foreign criminals 18 months before they were due to be released.

However the subsequent debate triggered several questions as to whether foreign criminals should serve their full prison sentences at all, with MPs Labour and Tory alike suggesting that they should just be deported as soon as possible, regardless of how far into their sentences the convicted foreigners were.

MPs are mindful of the costs involved with incarcerating prisoners, which is never less than £30,000 a year, and can often exceed £100,000 a year.

Damian Green said many home secretaries over successive governments had wrestled with the notion of sending foreign criminals home before they had completed their sentences, but told the Commons that both Labour and Tory governments had taken the view that failing to imprison foreign criminals for a full stretch would lend the impression they could offend, safe in the knowledge that they'd go home sooner and be free.

Later in the debate Tory MP Philip Hollobone asked the minister to confirm newspaper reports yesterday of the most awkward countries to deal with on deportations.

Green paid tribute to Jamaica and Nigeria - two countries from which many foreign criminals in Britain originate, saying both countries had become more co-operative in recent years. "They are not the most awkward," said Green, declining to say which countries were.

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Michaelxx
07:23 PM on 01/17/2012
IF THEY CANT BE DEPORTED SHOOT THEM
09:50 AM on 12/20/2011
Let's do a deal with the prison systems of the offenders home country. They serve their sentence 'back home' instead of HM Hilton. The overcowding we keep hearing about is eased. The cost, to us, of seeing them serve their deserved sentence is reduced. The problem of deportation is moot.
A couple of things to be sorted out first. Allowing them to snivel to the yumin rights courts to avoid being sent back has to be addressed. Then there's the problem of our borders being so easy to walk back through afterwards.
09:31 AM on 12/20/2011
Tough or not.....throw them out and stop paying.
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mokgee
Sabu.Satsang, Samsara, Solitude...
09:52 AM on 12/20/2011
Hiya Blindstu...

Replying to your Korea blog, saw your name thought this will do. what do we have to do wait till they invade us or similar.Well pal they haven't so far, even so, I am not saying they are entirely innocent, and yes, I am very aware of brainwashing, however, they all look well fed and healthy. No we don't see all of it, but do we see all the sinister practices going on here. Thanks for the reply....
08:24 AM on 12/20/2011
deport the lot of them scrap the ( EU ) human rights law thay use this as a shilde to hide behind THEN WE NEED A NEW PARTY IN POWER A STRONG GOVERNMENT THATS TRUE AND JUST then get us out of this ( EU ) FORTH RIECH befor its to late. amen
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mokgee
Sabu.Satsang, Samsara, Solitude...
08:05 AM on 12/20/2011
What kind of ludicrous question is this, it would be like saying, every householder will keep a foreign prisoner in their homes, to which, the housholder will be responsible for, both financially and security wise.Once the judges and politicians begin this process, then no doubt the rest of us would have no choice but to toe the line, Nobody in their right mind could ever believe what wimps we have, supposedly running our country. In Australia, they are shipped out the same day, or at the latest the next day, either of those or banged up for years. British justice, the hilarity for the globes people, and we have them all...
06:44 AM on 12/20/2011
How many British citizens in prisons abroad? I live in Thailand and i know for a fact there are thousands of Brits in detention here. Although were talking about pennies because criminals in Thailand are treated appropriately - 30 people or more to a cell, no bedding and a daily bowl of rice.

5 star treatment is expensive, no matter who is locked up in Britain.
03:07 AM on 12/20/2011
This is a problem that has been going on for years, that successive governments have failed to address.
Blaming this on the courts is a cop out.
Parliament has the power and duty to protect society, but our elected officials will do nothing until public outrage intrudes upon their comfort zone.
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maxwelldog
even if i don't go anywhere, I'll still be late.
12:51 AM on 12/20/2011
perhaps charging the countries with the bill will convince those countries to do better at helping their own citizens resist the UK?
01:28 AM on 12/20/2011
They wouldn't pay.
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
03:46 AM on 12/20/2011
Not voluntarily, no. That should not stop us from trying to devise a scheme that relieves us from these costs - what the government spends on one such person is more than an honest average person makes as a wage. Surely this will lead to some discontent in the population one day. You could de-invite their diplomats from functions, create extra inspections of the goods they sell us, strip search each and every individual arriving from that country or whatever you can think of.
Here in Australia I read about an approximately 17 year old, apparently from Kuwait who applied for asylum. The secret service considered him a security risk, objected to his release, so he can never be released and will apparently spend the rest of his life inside. Very costly.
12:43 AM on 12/20/2011
Within EEC member states anyone convicted and given a custodial sentence should be returned to their country of origin to serve the FULL sentence. This should be a reciprocal arrangement within the EEC. The convicted person should have their normal EEC rights concerning free movement withdrawn automatically on conviction and NEVER reinstated.
Economic migrants originating from outside the EEC (those from countries such as Brazil who claim Portuguese origin in order to work within the EEC for instance) should be banned , they are not European and have no commitment to the EEC.
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EdwardMRoche
10:30 PM on 12/19/2011
Everything else is outsourced, why not prisons. Russia has economies of scale and long experience with best practices in running large-scale prisons. It would seem that the cost per prisoner could be minimized for the strained taxpayer, and Internet linkages could be used to stay in contact with family members. Any appeals and court hearings could be held by remote video. If you want to save money, this is the way to go.
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Reality always bites
Sometimes just a bit peckish
09:59 PM on 12/19/2011
How about a little incentive- if we tell the country of origin that they must take them back or they will be executed; then the human rights will fall to the country of origin. Or is that too extreme?
09:58 PM on 12/19/2011
too what Australia does, charge them for their keep while in detention, they will not want to creep back into our Country again
09:31 PM on 12/19/2011
I knew some1 that was Illegal went to prison here and was deported and she walked right through back over here, What a joke I said, If I knew where she was Id report her, Systems a joke,
09:28 PM on 12/19/2011
Are prisons are like a 5 star hotel to them, we need to deport them and let there countrys prisons deal with them, yet doesnt matter what I think cus we will always protect and feed them,
08:53 PM on 12/19/2011
Internationally many countries hold their hands outs for Foreign Aid, but won't take responsibility for their nationals. Stiff EU rules to take our money and destroy our economy, but no EU rules to return criminals who cost the tax payer to keep.

4000 in jails costing a £1000 a week each, that's £4,000,000 a week and £208,000,000 every year for just 4000 who don't belong here who robbed, raped and murdered.

Two hundred and eight MILLION pounds every year, passed, present and future = £Billions