Jim Paice, Agriculture Minister, Claims Hunting Act Has 'Failed'

Hunting Act Useless

Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 26/12/11 07:58 GMT Updated: 26/12/11 11:33 GMT

The Hunting Act has "failed", according to a government minister.

As thousands of people prepare to head out to Boxing Day meets Agriculture minister Jim Paice claimed the current "simply doesn't work",

"I personally am in favour of hunting with dogs - and the coalition agreement clearly states that we will have a free vote on whether to repeal the act when there is time in the parliamentary calendar to do so." he said.

Paice's comments come as the Countryside Alliance estimated a quarter of a million people would turn out to 300 hunts across Britain.

Countryside Alliance chief executive Alice Barnard said her group were in a "strong position" to push for the repeal of the "failed" act: "It is a point of pride for rural communities across Britain that, despite the prejudice and ignorance of some, hunting remains as strong as ever."

Boxing Day is traditionally a hunting day but hunting with dogs was banned in 2004 under the Labour government.

The coalition plans to give MPs a free vote on whether they want to repeal the law.

Responding to Paice's comments Mary Creagh, Labour’s Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary, said: “There is no place for animal cruelty in a civilised society and most people back Labour's ban on hunting wild animals with dogs. People are worried about their incomes falling, prices rising and losing their jobs, yet this out of touch Tory-led Government want to bring hunting back. The reason they haven't held a vote is because they know they do not have enough votes in Parliament to get it through. I hope that hunts will continue to respect the law this year.”

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06:44 PM on 01/04/2012
Well then arrest them and then it would'nt fail....simples.
02:41 PM on 01/06/2012
That wouldn't work either....
09:03 PM on 12/31/2011
I used to go to a pub where many patrons were hunters, and a bigger bunch of snobs you would be hard put to find. I never looked for an argument about fox hunting, but would voice my views if asked, whereupon I would be ganged up on by a bunch of Hoorah Henrys who seemed to think that because I wasnt a titled person, or rich, I should know my place and agree with my "betters".
They did come out with some pearlers of arguments like "The fox enjoys the hunt". When asked if they had discussed this with a talking fox, a huge roar would go up. I offered one very gobby man the chance to prove it, as I had an Alsatian, as did some of my friends.He could have a half mile start before we set them after him, and we could watch him smiling and grinning when they got him. Strangely, nobody ever took up my offer.
06:19 PM on 12/29/2011
I write from a farm in England. The Hunting Act 2004 was progressive and well-meaning legislation passed with support from all parties. If it has fault, it is that it needs tightening up. I write as a farmer and as a countryman born and bred and I have no wish for our country to regress in its attitude to the so-called 'sports' of fox hunting, hare coursing and stag hunting. They have had their day, along with bear baiting and cock fighting.

Mr James Paice, the 'Minister for Hunting,' is my MP. He wrote to me - somewhat illogically - saying that he disliked 'hare coursing intensely but would be reluctant to ban it because of my libertarian instincts.' By that logic, we would still have bear baiting and cock fighting as well as fox hunting and stag hunting. I like libertarianism to a point but not beyond the point where animals are chased to exhaustion and torn limb from limb for the amusement of man.

Man - and Mr Paice - ought now to know and believe better than that.
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12:07 AM on 12/28/2011
Quote : " a quarter of a million people will turn out to 300 hunts across Britain." So unless these hunts are blatantly breaking the law they are obviously "enjoying" themselves without the need for a "kill" so I don't see any need whatsoever for the act to be repealed, except to win votes of course. At present the "hunts" are continuing with all their "traditions" except for the one frankly pointless aspect, any claim that fox numbers require controlling may possibly be true but using the "hunt" method to achieve it is unadulterated stupidity, it's expensive, it's time consuming, it's inefficient, it's ineffective in controlling fox numbers, if control is needed there are effective ,efficient, inexpensive, humane methods available. As things stand a compromise exists, the hunters continue their "hunting", obviously, and the "anti-hunt" supporters are "happy" .... I believe!
So why change anything? The rubbish about the law "not working" is just that, rubbish, 300 "hunts" taking place convincingly proves its working fine, unless they are breaking the law and if so is that law being fully enforced ?
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10:37 AM on 12/28/2011
Good point Bulldog (and nice pic!).
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normdoug
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09:58 PM on 12/27/2011
Of course the idiot says it has failed, he will vote to have killing foxes by hunting dogs legal again. You see these heartless idiots say it does not hurt the fox. Let hunt turn the dogs on themselves first and then let them tell us if it does hurt, or not
06:02 PM on 12/27/2011
meanwhile lansley sneaks his private healthcare bill through without hardly any press coverage
04:31 PM on 12/27/2011
Well one thing springs to mind now that tory is looking after tory,or the rich looking after the rich,if this act is to be voted upon in Parliament and most likely the vote will be won for the blood thirsty toffs,then instead of hitting the poor with tax upon tax will Osbourne slap a tax on the hunt or will he let them just ride about where the hell they like as they used to,and as for what happened in the past,when the hounds were running amok in farmers yards and fields,why dont the farmers just shoot the hounds as they have the law on their side,as these hounds will be classed as a danger to their livestock.
04:07 PM on 12/27/2011
Remember - It is Legal to Kill a Fox, a Farmer can also shoot to kill a Dog if it harassing its livestock.
Don't think the Fox is friendly - it is a vicious cunning animal, it is also under scrutiny for carrying Rabies, so far we havent seen a Rabid Fox, but they are close by in France and Belgium.
04:59 PM on 12/27/2011
So hyperthetically speaking,if a fox was ripped to bits by the pack of hounds,and yes they are ripped to bits as I have seen it happen while on holiday,and if the said fox did carry rabies who does the tests on the pack of hounds,(answer-no one)and its a fact.So what we have now is a pack of dogs with the majority carrying the rabies virus all done in a matter of hours.
So with one fox with rabies this now explodes to 30-40 dogs with rabies all accomplished in an hours work.
One other point to the farmers,it is now law to keep your dog on a leash in the countryside,so how come their is another for the a--eholes on horseback.
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06:13 PM on 12/27/2011
Have you never heard of vetinary treatment. The hounds are better looked after than most domestic pets! I'm glad you were being hypothetical!
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07:27 PM on 12/27/2011
ray, rabid dogs are also close by in France and Belgium, and we all know dogs carry rabies.

I hope you're not suggesting we should all go out killing dogs?

And if that's not the point you're making, what exactly is the point you're making?
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03:00 PM on 12/27/2011
Whatever the comments are the fact is, there is a law against hunting, and until it is rescinded by the law courts then it exists. Hunting foxes is fair enough, with the damage they create however, why do hooray henry's need to go out on horseback for their own personal pleasures because they are bored, And what about the people who stray onto their land, my goodness old chap these people are breaking the law, they whine and whinge. Touche hey, the hunter should become the hunted, let them know how it feels....
12:00 PM on 12/27/2011
Those against Fox Hunting are basing their ideas on Labour propoganda.
Most know nothing about the Fox or what effect it has on lifestock.
Most think the Hounds tear the Fox apart - not True - the Hounds trap the Fox and the Fox is Shot.
Farmers Can and Do shoot Foxes - but hiting a moving taget is not easy unlike what we see in the movies.
Fox Hunting with Horses and Hounds are a magnificent sight - this cannot be fully apreciated by City or Town Dwellers who think wairing a pair of wellies to mow the lawn is country living - most would not survive Country living - they might break their nails or get mud on their shoes.
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01:29 PM on 12/27/2011
Ray,
I've kept livestock for donkey's years and foxes have had no effect on it whatsoever. You may be aware that most farmers are against fox hunting. As are between 70 and 80% of the population of the UK, so it's clearly not all Labour voters.

And as for 'hounds trap the foxes and the fox is shot,' have you ever been to the country?

I'd be very interested if you could show me one shred of evidence for this, such as a photo of a fox hunter riding carrying a shotgun. It has never happened where I live.

If you had ever been to a fox hunt, perhaps you'd realise that the vast majority of the country people who live where the hunt is taking place are strongly opposed to the hunt.
01:36 PM on 12/27/2011
Sounds like You don't know anything about Country living - Quoting what you read is not a basis for an informed opinion.
02:05 PM on 12/27/2011
You are correct - I should have checked my spelling, however it apears you don't know anything about keeping Chickens or raising sheep /Lamb - Donky's are not threatned by Foxes.
A Fox will not just kill one Chicken it ravages as many as 6 or 7 during one raid, Farmers are now killing Foxes in larger numbers by shooting than any Hunt could possibly achieve.
Enjoy your Lamb, Pork, Beef Poultry etc - all provided for you by Country folk.
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11:10 AM on 12/27/2011
The misleadingly-named 'Countryside Alliance' do not speak for the majority of people who live in the country at all. Perhaps some of their members have a second home in the country, and 'pop down' for the odd weekend, but they're hardly doing much for rural economies.

Most country people, and significantly most farmers, are opposed to fox hunting.

Hunting doesn't reduce the overall number of foxes, it does absolutely nothing to make livestock safer and it doesn't create any more jobs than legal drag hunting does.

And as for repealing the fox hunting ban? What the Countryside Alliance fails to mention is that the ban has been the most successful animal welfare act by far in terms of convictions over the last three years.
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10:49 AM on 12/27/2011
"despite the prejudice and ignorance of some" Alice Bird offers....I fail to see how I am ignorant when dogs tear a fox apart? Morally and ethically bankrupt there is no corner of rationale you may hide in with integrity
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10:22 AM on 12/27/2011
Lets all go and torture and kill some wild animals to celebrate the birth of Jesus.
01:32 PM on 12/27/2011
The Killing of the Fox helps the Countryside - The Fox caused devastation to livestock - The Fox is not torn apart by dogs its cornered then shot.
Lamb, Beef, Pork, Chicken etc are all killed by Country folk - Enjoy your festive meal - but Christs Birthday it is not.
Jesus was born in September.
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02:00 PM on 12/27/2011
Sorry ray,
killing foxes is not helpful to the countryside at all. Foxes help to control the numbers of pests that eat our crops such as rabbits, mice, voles and other small mammals.

Without foxes, there is a good chance that food prices in the UK would be higher.
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08:04 PM on 12/27/2011
Rabbits are the most troublesome pest in the countryside, and foxes help to control their numbers. Look at what happened in Australia, where rabbits were introduced by Europeans. There were no predators to eat the rabbits, and the entire country's crops were at risk of being wiped out. They had to build a fence from one end of the continent to the other. Imagine the cost!

Foxes only kill livestock if the farmers make mistakes.
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09:38 AM on 12/27/2011
I can honestly say this...im 48 yr old and ive never met a good farmer yet...
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09:36 AM on 12/27/2011
Tory murderers...if its blood sports they want..then im up for some bare knuckle in the field...leave the fkin animals alone....
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03:08 PM on 12/27/2011
barnsley born, hello...

As soon as the horray henry's return from their hunt, here is what should happen..Hello there, enjoy your hunt did you, who of course old chap, what has it to do with you. Well now I am the huntmaster, get off your horse and star running for your life, you have 5 minutes and we are coming to get you for real. Notice with these rules how hunting would soon diminish amongst the gentry....
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03:50 PM on 12/27/2011
itd be the stench of sh*te that was followed..not urine...its a disgrace...