Liam Byrne Signals Step-Change In Labour's Attitude To Welfare

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The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 2/01/2012 21:52 Updated: 3/01/2012 13:15

Labour have marked a step-change in their attitude to welfare, with shadow cabinet minister Liam Byrne saying it is time for his party to become "radical reformers" again.

In an article for the Guardian to mark the 70th anniversary of the Beveridge report, the document that became the basis for the founding of the welfare state, Byrne says Beveridge considered "idleness" " every bit as insidious as disease or squalor".

The shadow work and pensions secretary says it is time for his party to think again about the welfare state, adding "one more heave behind our old agenda won't do".

Byrne says while Labour do not support certain government benefit cuts such as to cancer patients, the welfare state needs to change to be more like the system imagined by Beveridge. And Byrne argues that the £20bn bill for housing benefit is simply "too high."

"He [Beveridge] would have worried about the ways that his system had skewed social behaviour because he intended benefits to help people who had their earning power interrupted because of illness, industrial injury or the capriciousness of the trade cycle. He never foresaw unearned support as desirable", the MP writes.

Instead Byrne calls for a return to the "something for something" culture, a move outlined by Labour leader Ed Miliband in a speech last year.

His words are likely to anger the left-wing of the party, who are concerned about painting benefit claimants as "scroungers".

Byrne is reportedly giving a speech on the issue later this month.

Work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith said Labour had admitted that welfare was not working "at last'.

"So far Labour have opposed our plans on Housing Benefit, Employment Support Allowance and the benefit cap with no realistic or affordable alternative proposal.

"The fact is that during years of economic growth, the Labour Party oversaw a welfare system that managed to trap more people onto a life of benefit dependency. Labour should now show some leadership by finally supporting our plans to overhaul this broken welfare system. The public will look on with interest to see if Labour have finally woken up to the need for radical change or whether this is nothing more than an attempt at grabbing good headlines."

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10:09 PM on 01/03/2012
When the last government left office, more people than ever before were dependent of the state. I am alarmed that Labour, or any other political party, want to be seen as "radical reformers again" for votes. Kneejerk reactions to political unpopularity are likely to do more harm than good. All political parties need to accept that it is unacceptable to reward fit and healthy people for not working by giving them welfare benefits. The politicians used the excuse that because we do not want to work, we needed immigrants to do the work that we do not want to do! So they flooded the country with immigrants, regardless of whether the system could handle these extra people or not.They now say that immigrants are needed to pay for our welfare benefits! If they stopped rewarding people for not working, we wouldn't need immigrants at all! In fact, many of these immigrants have come here in order to get welfare benefits, because we are seen as a "soft touch". This makes the cost to the taxpayer an even bigger percentage of government spending. At the last election, the second biggest thing on people's minds after government debt was levels of immigration. The majority of voters are against immigration and want something done about it. As it is, we are competing with immigrants for jobs in a tough market place.
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06:20 PM on 01/03/2012
This guy has always been false, and this is sound bite politics at its worst. Liam Byrne go join the the 'moral right party' its where you belong. Sadly another nail in Labour's coffin.
06:12 PM on 01/03/2012
People have to understand that they also have a duty to do their best.
05:51 PM on 01/03/2012
Whilst Iain Duncan Smith is right to say the Liam Byrne article is an about-turn by Labour, he is wrong to isolate Labour as the cause of this welfare dependency. The Tories found it acceptable to allow many undeserving people to obtain ESA/Incapacity benefit, because it was political expediency to keep such people of the jobless statistic. He would be better served in his political idealogy if he continued his presnt policy, whilst listening to a number of respected and reputable voices who say that the present policy, whilst being right to address laziness, idleness and cheating claimants, is very wrong to tarnish genuine illness and disability with the same brush. Show the compassion and empathy that Lord Harrington recommended in these instances, and the whole country will be behind you.
03:25 PM on 01/03/2012
No it wont. More lies from a party wanting back in power and trying to get the swing vote back. These politicians with the European help ignored our industry as it crumbled in favour of the Germans with their post war new factories, this country also received money after the war but as per the norm it was squandered leaving our industries to collapse.

Here we are 66 years after "winning" a war, theres no jobs unless they are for a pittance and we are the toilet of Europe which keeps crapping all those lovely Africans/Europeans they have no room for on the mainland straight into this country's cities and now we've a massive unemployment problem, their solution is to hit those on benefits.

It was these politicians let it happen, in fact, made it happen and they still continue along the same path, give industry and construction a tenth of that which is squandered abroad, kickstart the economy in the way it was designed to bear fruit, close ALL the borders, EU included, send the foreign unskilled back wherever they come from and bring our troops back from lands they shouldn't be in, let them man the ports and airports to ensure no-one not welcome is kept out.
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03:25 PM on 01/03/2012
Create the factories/sites/jobs, pay decent living wages, then and only then target those not in work, stop all benefits if they continue to not work, post real jobs in jobcentres and hand a job to anyone going in to sign on, stop the CV/reference nonsense, compel firms to take what they're given, if a worker is useless at one job degrade the tasks till you find something constructive they're capable of, create full employment and pay accordingly.

The constant targeting of one section of society while allowing other sections the selfish greed and super wages needs to be addressed, fair days work for a fair days pay is how it was and should have always been, no person is worth any more than another, sort this and we could sort this country, leave it and we'll witness a hell of a lot more destruction than seen in July.
02:17 PM on 01/03/2012
The Welfare State was designed as a safety net to catch those falling into unfortunate circumstances of ilnes or unemployment - it was not designed as a a hammock for the bone idle to recline in whilst scrounging on society
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06:45 PM on 01/03/2012
Scrounging society? it starts with those at the top my friend! 500,000 vacanices the Government says, yet we have 2.6million unemployed. My question is, how do you fit 2.6million people into 500,000 jobs? You cant.
07:07 PM on 01/03/2012
There have been 3 million EU citizens who found jobs in the UK in the last 10 years - at a time when there were 1.4 Million in the UK who although medically fit had not done a single days work in the previous 10 years .

If someone fit has not worked in 10 years then they are either idle , uneducated or unwilling to move where work is available - if Poles can travel 1000 miles to work UK citizens can travel a much shorter distance - and if you were uneducated 40 hours a week teaching oneself in a public library for 10 years would long ago have removed that barrier - there is a hard core in the UK who chose a life of idleness scrounging on their fellow citizens - even the Labour Party say so .
11:14 AM on 01/03/2012
it seems both are now on the universal attack of the welfare state. people on welfare are an easy target, yet the only reforms they can suggest will hit the people that really need it most. why not tackle the people that systematically abuse it, wherever they come from and wherever they are rather than break up a system on which many people genuinely depend. it is truly deplorable we have a generation with no skills and no one would want to employ and subsequently on welfare- that as much as the interest of big business to drive down wages through mass unskilled migration has destroyed our youth
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06:51 PM on 01/03/2012
What gets my goat (many things do naturally) is that those who shout "scrounger" really do NOT believe that anyone is disabled and genuinely can not work. They got arms, legs and a head they can work! Let them pick strawberries for £1 an hour! People who think like that are dangerous. They would do away with the whole welfare state if they could. They are dangerous.
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09:08 AM on 01/03/2012
Having set up the "something for nothing" culture which costs £20 billion in housing benefits alone, to say nothing of the rest of the costs of welfare benefits which must equal the GDP of a small country, Labour now realise that they got it wrong. Its too late. They have flooded the country with immigrants living on welfare benefits who were meant to do the jobs we do not want to do and the taxpayer is creaking under the strain of supporting all these people. Money is going from taxpayers in this country to recipients in Poland and elsewhere! Its miles too late to suddenly realise you got it all wrong because you were blinded by buying votes.
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06:48 AM on 01/03/2012
Labour took the party off Beveridge's plan in order to buy votes: they offered a sroungers charter which does not make work pay. That's why the welfare bill is such a big proportion of spending and why the voting system is rigged.
08:49 AM on 01/03/2012
Calm down Snow White.

It was Thatcher and Major that created the legions on incapacity benefit. Hell I know one of them - moved on to it in 1994 and was encouraged to do so by the DHSS policy at the time and probably can't ever be taken off it legally. Tell me thats Labour's fault please.

At Least labour didn't buy votes selling off the selling off our family silver - particularly the housing stock to buy votes. Google 'Dame Shirley Porter' some time.
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11:40 PM on 01/03/2012
The number of people claiming incapacity benefits suddenly soared and the government was concerned enough about it to to review the situation. Don't tell me that Maggie Thatcher and John Major encouraged you to claim incapacity benefits to fiddle the unemployment figures, what a load of rubbish! They'd be more likely to cut off their right arms instead!
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03:10 AM on 01/03/2012
Im yet to hear ANY of the parties say they are going to crack down on the bankers, tax loopholes and corporations that "forget" to pay £6billion tax bills and get away with it.
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08:04 AM on 01/03/2012
This might help jog your memory:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/08/27/uk-britain-tax-idUKTRE77Q2T120110827
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06:39 PM on 01/03/2012
Yeah OK. Same Osborne that let Vodafone off with a £6billion Tax Bill?? but will chase you down for owing £3? Laughable.
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10:05 PM on 01/08/2012
Marx himself was anti-government. He was for the people, the majority, being in control not a few members of the elite.
02:15 PM on 01/03/2012
They have " cracked down " as a result they have lost almost £100 billion in taxes as the rich simply move their capital out of the UK to places where it is made more welcome .

Interesting that Marx only managed to write his rubbish because the capitalist Engels had the money to support his scrounging lifestyle - only Trotsky came to a good end
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06:41 PM on 01/03/2012
Engels a Capitalist? yeah right. And God exists!
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12:36 AM on 01/03/2012
Just what this country doesn't need another Blue Labour Tory boy spouting on Cameron style about lives he hasn't got a clue about. Why not just have a 3 in a bed romp with Dave and Nick Blue Labour? Theres no difference between the big 3 as this shows.
11:42 PM on 01/02/2012
Beveridge joined the Liberal Party.He briefly served as Member of Parliament (MP) for the constituency of Berwick-upon-Tweed until the 1945 general election.
In 1946 Beveridge was raised to the peerage as Baron Beveridge, of Tuggal in the County of Northumberland and eventually became leader of the Liberals in the House of Lords.
His was an advocate of full employment and his welfare reforms were based on the assumption
that they would operate in a society where most people worked.
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08:13 AM on 01/03/2012
Did you get that from Google?
08:46 AM on 01/03/2012
From the Beveridge group.
10:31 PM on 01/02/2012
Sadly, this Govt always hits at the wrong people, mainly because they prefer easy targets. The benefits system has become over the years a huge drain on the countries resources, and will continue to increase.
We have millions of UK unemployed, yet people from Eastern Europe are free to come here to take what jobs there are.

I personaly know a family of Iranian "Asylum seekers", none of whom has ever done, or intends to do a days work here in the UK while they can scrounge benefits

.My wife is often fighting for her life due to breathing problems. She got a letter from the DSS saying she is fit to work when she was in Intensive Care in Hospital. The so called asylum seekers have never been asked to work, and never will, because they will play the race card. Yes, the benefit system does need a deep overhall, but for Gods sake let this gutless Govt tackle the career claiments, not those who would work if they could.
Try watching the Jeremy Kyle Show a constant parade of youngsters churning out babies and living on benefits. Asked if they work, they look shocked, as if its an obscene question, then, when asked how they intend to support their kids its "I might 'ave ter start lookin' fer a job innit". The majority have no intention of working, and nobody will take them on over it, only the people who cant kick off will be targetted.
09:08 AM on 01/03/2012
Well said, instead of indulging in pointless name calling and the embarrassing displays put on in Parliament by Politicians of all parties, surely it is long overdue that we as a Nation take on all of the scroungers , the idle, the parasitical immigrants, the Banking Industry and all of the leeches who have forced us into this situation. Its time to stand up and be counted, PR statements by the Usual Suspects are meaningless, action is what is called for here unfortunately I cant see any one with the courage to risk the wrath of both Left and Right Wing elements in this country ready to speak out
05:03 PM on 01/03/2012
Thank you Donthold, for your support to my post. I have been called a racist a number of times for posting similar posts, which I find insulting. Im NOT racist, just an ordinary person watching this once great country being decimated by the benefits culture.
We as a tiny island simply cannot keep absorbing immigrants, thats not racist, its a fact, a fact that needs dealing with NOW, by the Govt we elected to act on our behalf. Camerons chat about "reducing immigration by so many percent over so many years" is ludicrous. Nobody at all should be an asylum seeker in the UK. The law is that they must claim asylum in the first safe country they come to, which eliminates all Asians, Africans, Europeans, etc. You dont get on the back of a lorry in Dehli and find yourself in the UK.
We should also have an automatic deportation scheme for foreign law breakers, ie East European begger gangs, pickpockets etc who come here to prey on UK citizens, then are freed to steal again. First we have to dump the much abused Human Rights racket, it serves only criminals and illegals,then put very strong laws in place so illegals coming here know exactly how they stand. "Break our laws, you go home, along wih your dependents, dangerous there ? Tough !