Gun Laws Not Under Review Despite Peterlee Shooting, Government Says

Peterlee Shootings Gun Laws

First Posted: 03/01/12 12:31 Updated: 03/01/12 14:18

Gun laws will not be reviewed in the wake of a man with a gun licence shooting himself and three female relatives in Peterlee, County Durham, the government has said.

"The firearms laws we have in place are among the toughest in the world. The purpose of that legislation is to protect public safety and at the same time, ensure that controls are practical and proportionate," a Downing Street spokesperson said on Tuesday.

But home affairs select committee chairman Keith Vaz called for gun laws to be "simplified, clarified, and made consistent" so they could be better understood.

Police plan to investigate why Michael Atherton, 42, who killed his partner, her sister and his niece was allowed to hold licences for firearms and shotguns.

Atherton held a licence for three "section one" firearms, which require extra vetting from the police.

The British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) have called for the "facts" in the case to be looked at before drawing any conclusions.

"There has just been a comprehensive parliamentary review of firearms law in the UK and the facts in this incident need to be firmly established."

During prime minister's questions in September 2011, David Cameron said he would happily toughen gun laws if it was needed.

In answer to a question about children holding gun licences, the prime minister said: "I think we should enforce proper rules on gun licences, including shotgun licences. We always keep these rules under review and if they need toughening, I will happily look at that."

The UK's gun licence system requires background checks and reviews at five-yearly intervals.

Responding to Number 10 David Taylor, Shooting Campaign Manager for the Countryside Alliance, said the group were pleased that the government was taking time to consider what had happened in Peterlee.

"The laws that govern shooting have been carefully drawn and added-to over several years so that today they are as rigorous and all-encompassing as possible. There looks to have been a failure at some point in the process in this event, and the most sensible action is to investigate what went wrong and then decide how it might be fixed.”

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Gun laws will not be reviewed in the wake of a man with a gun licence shooting himself and three female relatives in Peterlee, County Durham, the government has said. "The firearms laws we have in ...
Gun laws will not be reviewed in the wake of a man with a gun licence shooting himself and three female relatives in Peterlee, County Durham, the government has said. "The firearms laws we have in ...
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19:17 on 03/01/2012
Guilty verdict on the Stephen lawrence case yet still a gagging order by the Huffington Post.
was it third time lucky for the prosecution?
19:02 on 03/01/2012
The current gun laws are exacting; the fault lies in their application, which is wildly at fault! Like with everything else today, too few people seem able to do their jobs properly anymore.

In my county, the gun laws are rigorously enforced in every aspect; there is no way such a character would have been allowed any sort of firearms certificate.
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19:28 on 03/01/2012
Totally agree, it appears that the local police force knew that this guy was at least possibly suicidal, why wasn't his licence revoked at the time? A few questions to be answered there I think.
18:23 on 03/01/2012
Apart from our armed forces and perhaps some farmers, why do we need guns?
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I just don't know what went wrong!
18:54 on 03/01/2012
Of what relevance is "need"?
20:10 on 03/01/2012
Why do we the public need guns?
20:20 on 03/01/2012
why do we need fishing rods ? Cant you buy your fish from tesco? why do we plant veg in our garden ?cant we get veg from asda ? why do we grow flowers . would'nt a picture be as pretty ?
why cant you immagine?
17:59 on 03/01/2012
This gun argument will rage for years! It was great until Michael Ryan shot all those people in Hungerford, that's when all the do-gooders came out and demanded that gun laws should be changed. We still have people being shot and killed. so really the changing of gun laws never did a farts worth of good and only caused a lot of aggro for gun owners!!
Everything is a `weapon` in the wrong hands, it's the people that kill and not the guns!!
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17:44 on 03/01/2012
Common sense prevails
17:37 on 03/01/2012
Any tragic error from Durham police firearms licencing unit - not the 1st time they have been found "not fit for purpose"
17:29 on 03/01/2012
I commented earlier today on the number of murders over the last 10 days and suggested a review of capital punishment. My comment has been removed.
I wonder how long this one will last?
20:14 on 03/01/2012
know what you mean karen ive had comments removed for not being pc THE TRUTH HURTSare we a democratic country do we believe in free speech only if you dont rock the boat and conform and agree with the do gooders
21:15 on 03/01/2012
Perhaps they should conform with the majority who believe that capital punishment stops murderers.
17:00 on 03/01/2012
To hold a fire arms licence in this country .you need to have justification for owning one . deer culling.Fox shooting, etc A farm or land to to shoot on . with no right of ways on it.So as not to have ramblers in a fire zone ,The writen permission off the farmer . The police will check this and vet the land. A secure gun safe . the co signing of your licence by a MP .DR . justice of the peace . Judge . Or person of similar standing . Be interviewed and vetted by the police .Have a home securtity check . Every 5 years. The POLICE ARE PRETTY STRINGENT THEY CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ONE IN A MILLION THAT GOES NUTS. And hand guns canot be held legaly on any licence class one or otherwise in this country
17:10 on 03/01/2012
You are correct in all what you say. I keep my Bolts and Full Bore Rifle ammunition in a separate safe in order to make it difficult for anyone to steal my guns and use them. My Shot Gun Ammunition is Kept on my premises at work.
17:31 on 03/01/2012
The problem is that the people who sign off on the license are not stringent enough. If someone is convicted of a crime, their licence should be immediately revoked and a constable dispatched to collect the firearms they are no longer entitled to own.

The same goes for those found to be mentally unstable, physicians should be required to put such information into a national database so that the proper authorities can be notified that someone's gun license needs to be revoked.

It's really not that hard to keep such recent incidents from happening.
18:09 on 03/01/2012
Hi Alexandria the measures you mentioned are allready implimented . if you are convicted of any crime . your guns ARE confiscated and your licence revoked. if you are negligent in paying a fine or attending court for some minor infringment . The police that knock on your door they allready now you are a firearms holder. so its quite likley a armed constable will be on the scene its all on your records . and this week having just renewed my shotgun licence i had to give my writen consent to the police contacting my doctor to see if i had or have a past history of mental or depession problems. And yes my medical history from year one are open to the police And your CO signitor has to know you for several years personaly . And would you sign the licence of some one you thought might run amock and kill some one . ?
16:48 on 03/01/2012
Strange! People who don't keep guns don't seem to suffer this fate. OK knives, hammers, choppers kill too, but there is no primary reason to keep guns and ammunition in the home, farmers excepted. If the police know the only legal guns are in gun clubs it would make life a lot easier.
17:13 on 03/01/2012
Not when you have to travel to competitions or to farms all over the country. It would be impractical. Would you keep your fishing rods, Golf Clubs, Bowls etc at a Club if you were setting off early in the mornings??? Or Hunting late at night?? Not an option.
17:30 on 03/01/2012
OK, you have a point, but I did say guns AND ammunition.
17:22 on 03/01/2012
on a lighter note . come the revolution son . you might wish you 'd kept a firearm in the house
14:59 on 03/01/2012
WHY DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE GUNS IN THEIR HOMES
15:03 on 03/01/2012
The same reason to why you have to have Knifes, Hammers, Screwdrivers, Chainsaws, Cars, Motorbikes and the list goes on, Guns are Tools and they are personal too.
16:43 on 03/01/2012
Tools to kill - thats their primary purpose, no other - and thats what happens.
22:58 on 03/01/2012
what a laim brain guns are for no other purpuss than to kill if you want to play with guns keep them at a GUN CLUB NOT AT HOME
15:04 on 03/01/2012
because people go shooting. i would question why a taxi driver in a town needed so many including high powered guns.
but more folk are killed with knives every year and 95% of all shootings involve gang members with stolen/illegal guns.
00:37 on 04/01/2012
Who said he had some may High Powered Guns, he had 3 Shotguns and 3 rifles, the shotguns could of been one for Clay Pigeon, one for Skeet and the other for Game birds and with the rifles he may of had one for Target shooting and a couple for vermin shooting.
I notice there has been none of this hysteria over the two other familles murdered before Christmas in England which involved knifes and the deaths of 8 people.
14:50 on 03/01/2012
The Police made a huge mistake granting Thomas Hamilton a Class 1 Firearms License that entitled him to purchase Hand Guns. Despite warnings from the Gun Club and many other people that knew Hamilton the Police still awarded him the License. Why don't the Police listen to people rather than granting any old Tom Dick or Harry a License? I hold a Shot Gun License and a Class 1 Fire Arms License, I instruct people in Weapon Safety and how to shoot too. Shooting is not just a Hobby Guns are a necessity for Millions of people. We have some of the best shots in the World just watch the Olympics and see for yourselves. Michael Atherton is another mistake by the Police.
15:08 on 03/01/2012
then you would know that the section one license would not include a hand gun. apart from antique muzzle loaders humane killing weapons and for use at special sporting events that been authorised ie olympics, you can not hold a hand gun at your home. even those selected for the UK shooting teams have to practise abroad. all because B-liar over reacted and banned guns for ordinary folk.
15:32 on 03/01/2012
You are correct. I have to keep the vermin down on farms so I need my guns at home. I keep my guns out of the way of people and my home is like Fort Knox. I love my shooting, it broke my heart when I let my Hand Guns go under Liar Blair!
16:03 on 03/01/2012
I am basically in agreement with you, but you do seem to be under the impression that the previous Labour govt banned handguns.
This is not so. They were banned by the previous Tory govt. A kneejerk reaction, just the same though.
16:42 on 03/01/2012
section one licence does not cover hand guns no private hand guns are allowed in this country . Thats why the olympic team have to go abroad to train .
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17:43 on 03/01/2012
It did at the time Thomas Hamilton held one, I think that was the point British4Ever was making.
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14:43 on 03/01/2012
we should be allowed to carry guns.
15:09 on 03/01/2012
an interesting thought, and something that a 100 years ago was legal. would idiots use them wrongly, certainly but then the idiotic scum have them now and use them all the time in some city areas.
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17:43 on 03/01/2012
Lawl, Texas. There is not enough money in the City of London, Wall Street, and Shanghai to bribe me into stepping foot in that cesspool.
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19:38 on 10/01/2012
Guess what?
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13:15 on 03/01/2012
Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.

When guns are outlawed,
only outlaws will have guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPuM_XAo2BE

No more robberies in that neighborhood.

Welcome to Texas!

Also, if you murder someone you will be tried, convicted, and executed.
14:52 on 03/01/2012
Well said and well justified in posting too. Do Motorcycles, Cars, Buses, Lorries, Vans, Trains or Push Bikes kill people? No its the persons behind the Wheels and the Bars that KILL!!
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15:41 on 03/01/2012
And... alcohol kills more people than all of those added together. Sometimes it does it in conjunction with one or other and is often the real determining factor.
18:17 on 03/01/2012
Guns don't kill people.
People kill people. Can't shoot anybody WITHOUT a gun though, can you?
19:49 on 03/01/2012
Do arrows count? Guns are the great equalizer.

I can defend myself just fine physically against equal odds, however multiple assailants or bigger stronger people it is not so easy. You might note that criminals seldom look for a “fair” level of force. They want to overwhelm their victims.