University Students In Same Situation As Victorian 1890s, UCU Claims

University Students 1980s

Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 05/01/12 06:54 GMT Updated: 05/01/12 09:09 GMT

It is a return to the dark ages for students as their contribution to university funding will reach the highest level since the 1890s, a report has warned.

University students will be footing nearly half the bill for funding by 2014 through higher tuition fees, while annual public spending on teaching and research will make up a mere 15% of universities' income by 2015. This will be the lowest since the first decade of the 20th century.

Far from making progression in the world of higher education, students will be in the same situation as those attending university in the 19th Century. They will be plunged into the past to a time when Queen Victoria sat on the throne - to a decade which marked the birth of Sherlock Holmes and the first Olympics.

The analysis was conducted by the University and College Union (UCU), which has now accused the Government of "passing the buck" from the state to students. UCU general secretary Sally Hunt said the Government plans threatened "decades of progress".

"These plans will endanger the health of the sector. You cannot maintain a world-class university system in the 21st Century by turning the clock back to the 1900s and before.

The union said its findings highlighted a "retreat" from public investment in higher education in England.

The study forecasts public expenditure on teaching and research will drop by 44% over the next three years, from £6.6bn in 2011/12 to £3.7bn in 2014/15, thus increasing the burden placed on students, according to the union.

Meanwhile, the proportion of funding which comes from students is expected to reach 47.2% by 2013/2014 - the highest level in more than a century.

"This Government's regressive university reforms will accelerate this process further and see annual public investment in teaching and research fall to its lowest proportion in over a century," Hunt said.

Toni Pearce, vice-president of the National Union of Students (NUS), told The Huffington Post UK the level of education funding was "deplorably low".

"Considering the state of the economy, it is inexcusable for the government to display such obvious disregard for young people by asking them to bear the burden.

"Higher education benefits the UK socially, culturally and economically and the Government should be investing in it properly," she continued. The economy is stagnating and youth unemployment is rising rapidly but still our Government refuses to protect investment in education."

"Our universities are a public good which currently generate billions for the economy, why put that at risk by starving institutions of public funds and forcing students to foot the bill?"

Researchers analysed official funding records over the last 120 years to compile their report.

A spokesman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: "Our reforms put university finances on to a long-term sustainable basis.

"Students will have more study choices and funding for universities will follow their decisions.

"We estimate that total funding for the sector could increase by around 10% over the spending review period."

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It is a return to the dark ages for students as their contribution to university funding will reach the highest level since the 1890s, a report has warned. University students will be footing nearl...
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MrAnon
04:29 PM on 01/05/2012
This bloody govt. has GOT to go, ordinary people in the street don't give a hoot (much less understand) what an economic surplus or deficit is, all that we care about is that we have jobs, we earn money and are able to pay our living expenses and support our families. Who cares if we are £one trillion in debt as long as everyone has a job and is earning a wage?

On the other hand, what is the value of education? I am a graduate, I worked bloody hard for my degree and yet now I can consider myself lucky to get temporary work as a cleaner, there are millions of people out there who don't even have what I do. I know there are students who don't bother to study and who only start thinking about their work on the day that it is due in but then that kind of person is highly unlikely to graduate.

I think it is commendable to widen access to higher education, now we need to ensure that everyone who makes it through university is rewarded with the career that their degree prepared them for. It is utterly degrading for a graduate to be forced to do menial work simply because there are a hundred times as many graduates than there are graduate jobs.
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Chris Burgess
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02:31 PM on 01/05/2012
Hmm. As a Victorian I feel much better off than any pommy.
02:05 PM on 01/05/2012
I live in a University City and the vast Majority of Students are only there for the Freedom from Parents, One big Booze up and partying it up at every oportunity.
They have plenty of money for booze, Sex and Parties - Maybe they should curb it a bit and help pay more towards their education.
01:20 PM on 01/05/2012
Do not bother with getting a degree and getting a large debt. There are no jobs whether you have a degree or not. This country is going nowhere. I got a degree in Science (2:1) and have never came close to being able to work the reason being I am disabled, so folks do not think a degree will help it willl not.
01:08 PM on 01/05/2012
Guess what? The Scottish students get their education free!!! And how, paid for by the ENGLISH government. The Scots don't have to find the money as it comes in lump sum Billions that we give them each year.
If it can be done there so should it be in the rest of the UK
12:13 PM on 01/05/2012
This is happening because far too many students are now going to universities and we are unable to subsidise so many people. We should revert to universities being for the cleverest of people who will actually benefit from this type of education and of course scrap all the mickey mouse degrees.

Another solution could be charging for the mickey mouse degrees but fully subsidising the science, engineering and IT degrees (and other sensible ones) but again only for the top students.
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deluk
disgusted.
11:57 AM on 01/05/2012
they can pop up a few chimney's to pay for their "gap years" then..
11:47 AM on 01/05/2012
Why doesn't this surprise me saw it coming. Gone are the days where you received a grant which is what should be happening now, the Governments of this country are disgusting but hold on a minute all them went through a "free" University place, but these days students have to pay, it just doesn't add up and what I would like to know is where does all the money go?
12:35 PM on 01/05/2012
Thirty years ago when grants were commonplace we had a low volume, high quality university system - now we have a high volume, low quality university system.
04:27 PM on 01/05/2012
Go back to the 1950's - most of us got our engineering degrees by studing via night school after working 44 hours a week , studying in the evenings and weekends - no drinking, drugs or all night partying - we actually worked hard and consistently .

University education should be free if the student agrees to study from 8.0O am to 10.00 PM 6 days a week 50 weeks of the year - that would seperate the really committed students from the idle
11:34 AM on 01/05/2012
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11:22 AM on 01/05/2012
If there is spare money to be had, it should not be wasted on universities, of which we have too many and who offer courses that are absolutely useless, but should be channelled into decent apprenticeship training! Again and again I am brought up short by the abysmal lack of experience shown by young craftsmen, simply because there is no proper training available on a broad scale.
katertaif
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09:33 AM on 01/05/2012
Basically a cry for more money to be janded over for University students. On what basis? Toni Pearce claims theat higher education benefits the country. This used to be true when a degree actually meant something, and then, for those who had the brain but little or no money there were bursaries,grants etc. Blair cheapened the whole idea of university, and universities responded with a host of courses leading to meaningless degrees many fitting no job at all, and many aimed at a highly paid job somewhere in ' telly ' The object of a real degree is to fit the holder for a highly paid job it is true, so why should the taxpayer have to fund it twice? Take Law for example, according to Ms Pearce the taxpayer should fund them through to a degree so that they can then charge the same taxpayer several hundred pounds an hour for their services. This is not equitable at all. Perhaps if they used their student loand for the purpose for which they were intended, they would be sufficient to manage while working towards a meaningful degree.
04:31 PM on 01/05/2012
katertaif - if it is Law no need to go to a standard university - the OU does Law Degres and you don't need a Law Degree in any event to become a solicitor or barrister - there are other routes ..

All subjects that can be taught by distance learning should only be available via Distance Learning - conventional universities should only be used for subjects such as medicine or others where expensive specialist facilities or equipment is required
katertaif
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10:25 AM on 01/06/2012
Agreed Ronnieice.My own degree was gained through the OU, and I paid for it. The problem being that there are so many courses now which are either aimed at a job in the media somewhere, or aimed at nothing at all, merely for the sake of saying I have a degree. That being the case, why should the taxpayer have to foot the bill? If it was raising the standard of education, I could rethink, but it is not. Many Universities are having to put on Literacy and numeracy courses for school leavers who can barely express themselves. Then again why are we blaming foreigners for coming in and taking our jobs? The simple fact is they are better at it than we are. Of course we are free to go to their countries and do them out of a job, the problem there being that they speak our language, but we do not speak theirs. End of job hunt.
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09:08 AM on 01/05/2012
A System built for the 1% to PROSPER!

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08:46 AM on 01/05/2012
When you elect Bankers you will be governed by Bankers. We are waiting for a new Dickens or decent news papers, and a revival of the Unions. Bankers hate educated people thats why they block universities for their own kind. Still surpprised by the fact low-incomers vote for these Bankers
11:01 AM on 01/05/2012
On the contrary , banks ONLY want educated people .
11:55 AM on 01/05/2012
Or those purporting to be educated that is!
08:44 AM on 01/05/2012
Just what is the point of everyone gaining a university degree when there are no jobs for those students once they leave university. They all have dreams of walking into a high paid job after their studies but I would say to them......wake up to the real world, the job you want is already being done by an imported "genius" because they are cheaper than you are.............simple as that. Besides all that....what's the point of a healthy education sector when a massive percentage of those being educated here aren't British anyway.
09:21 AM on 01/05/2012
That's quite right. Why should the British Government fund Universities that teach many students from aboard. On my daughters course over 60% of the students are not British and learning is held back because their English is so poor. The Uni's take these students because it's a cash cow for them and then leasve out the British applicants.
09:55 AM on 01/05/2012
Absolutely correct.....univerisities plead poverty when in fact they managed very well before the huge influx of foreign students and one can only think that it's greed on their part that's driving this desire to increase the foreign student population.....regardless of what fees they pay.we are also paying for that greed.
10:00 AM on 01/05/2012
agree
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08:42 AM on 01/05/2012
Then they join the elite OAPs; you automatically move into poverty if you are Jo Public when you begin to collect your pension. Savings get eaten up very quickly just to keep warm and eat. They should focus more on their learning and less on socialising (speaking from experience here I might add).
11:53 AM on 01/05/2012
I am not sure if they should "focus more on their learning" as clearly when old films/dramas are shown it clearly shows students have a whale of a time and many many students quality these days, leave University with no jobs to go to and they have to work themselves through University/College also unless they have wealthy parents/supporters, grants should still be in place.
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12:30 PM on 01/05/2012
Yes, in 'the good old days', monies were provided by government (which they should still be for anything educationally sound); so many students these days study degrees which will never get them employment. Whilst I am of the opinion everyone should have a right to higher education - degrees should be streamlined to enable employment to be the end result. Additionally, university is not the only institution to provide a sound higher education. Perhaps they should bring back the sandwich course, whereby the student alternates between working and studying. At least everyone benefits then. I don't know anyone wealthy who was supported by parents through their university days; majority worked in their holidays, saved the proceeds and studied. I know many students who had their parents balance up their savings - but they had to show a willingness to save also. Many students bleat about their hardships, yet they have time to drink the cheap booze provided by uni bars, which then = hangover = missed lectures = no money left for food. As they used to say (do they still?) a Desmond was a good, well balanced degree (Desmond Tutu = 2:2).