Scottish Independence Referendum Delay 'Damaging Economy', Claims Cameron

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The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 08/01/12 09:54 GMT Updated: 08/01/12 13:11 GMT

David Cameron has indicated he will force a referendum on Scottish independence "sooner rather than later" and accused Alex Salmond of damaging the Scottish economy by putting off a vote.

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme on Sunday morning, the prime minister said the delay in holding a referendum was causing businesses to hold off investing in the country.

"I think there is a problem," he said. "One is uncertainty about this issue is damaging to Scotland and Scotland's economy. Secondly it's very unfair on the Scottish people themselves, who don't really know when this question is going to be asked."

He added: "I think we owe the Scottish people something that is fair, legal and decisive".

After winning a majority at Holyrood last year, SNP leader and first minister Alex Salmond pledged to hold a referendum on achieving his long-held dream of an independent Scotland before the end of this Parliament.

Salmond is believed to want to hold the poll in 2014, the 700th anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn which saw the English defeated by the Scots.

But Cameron accused Salmond of putting off the vote for as long as he could because he knew the Scottish people "don't want a full separation".

The prime minister said the United Kingdom was one of the "most successful partnerships in the history of the world" and it would "desperately sad" if it broke up.

According to the Mail on Sunday, Cameron has received legal advice that confirms Scotland can not hold a referendum without the permission of Westminster. It reports he intends to weld that power to force Salmond to bring forward the vote.

The prime minister told the BBC on Sunday the legal position will be set out in the coming days.

Cameron's words were echoed by Lib Dem chief secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander, a Scot, who told Sky News it would be "totally wrong" to break up the United Kingdom.

"Scotland can not afford for a long period of dithering and delay from Alex Salmond that will cost is growth and jobs," he said.

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05:19 PM on 01/09/2012
Scotland Contribute's 5.87% of the UK GDP while the Barnett Formula gives them 10.87% of the GDP. The facts were just presented on BBC news with a Scottish analyist and a video conference with a member of the SNP; he even agreed the Barnett Formula gives more to Scotland, but his reason for independance was still so they could determine their own future.

I guess Scotland don't know what its about to get, Alex Salmond has sold Scotland a dream that does not excist, just so he can feel important with a seat in the EU, which he promised to be a full member of after Cameron did the Veto.
07:21 PM on 01/09/2012
Is there something wrong with you?

What part of your psyche cannot understand the desire to be independent - it's quite a normal state of affairs you know. nothing radical or unheard of.

As for the rest of your post - it's time people started to think of the BBC as the British State Broadcaster, which is exactly what it is. The disinformation which is spewed out by the BBC in Scotland every day is an affront to democracy. Figures can be made to say anything you want them to say and I can point you in the direction of UK Government figures which show Scotland as a net contributor to the UK.

Let me tell you something karlos123 - we in Scotland don't buy your "too small, too poor, too stupid" Unionist claptrap any more. We do not trust Cameron as far as we could throw him and would far rather see Alex Salmond with that EU seat than to be sold down the river every time the UK Govt "represents" us.

I' sorry to burst your bubble but if Alex Salmond's goal was personal aggrandisement he would not have chosen the SNP as the vehicle.
06:28 PM on 01/10/2012
I sense a degree of bitterness in statuting your cintra argument with thise who disagree with yiye view point. The Scots have never felt at ease as par to the union, neverthelees they have reaped benefits by being in the union they would not havr dreamt for as a stansd alone indipendent state. It is only faie that the |S|cots should be given the opportunity to vote for or against and when this process is over in or out we should devote our efforts in creating wealth so that we all have a decent standard of living. Good luck
09:58 AM on 01/16/2012
Some basic arithmetic for you karlos:
Scotland's population is approx 5million or about 8-9% of the UK total.

According to the UK government's own office of statistics
UK public spending 2010-11 was £669billions. Scotland recieves £30billions a year under the Barnett formula, I make that about 4.5% of the total. UK GDP was nearer three times the figure for public spending.
I leave you to work out 10.87% and 5.87% of £1.7trillion. LOL!
10:30 AM on 01/09/2012
A referendum to give Scotland independence ? yes A referendum to give England independence fron Europe ?? NO WAY double standards from a scottish Prime Minister in england


Let them have independence but not our monetery support we need the space
11:28 AM on 01/09/2012
So, why did England vote in such an unprincipled character?

In Scotland we told him and his party to get lost - what's YOUR excuse?
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
12:07 PM on 01/09/2012
"scottish Prime Minister"

Call-me-Dave is *NOT* Scottish. How dare you.

"Let them "

no "letting" involved, if we want it, we'll take it.

"but not our monetery support"

We don't get any "monetery" support from England, *you* get * ours*. Read the GERS report to see the truth.
12:25 PM on 01/09/2012
I wondered about the "Scottish Prime Minister" comment too.

So I did a bit of research (does Wikipedia count as research?) and it turns out whilst Cameron himself was born in London, his father was from Huntly and his Scottish ancestry goes further back than that.

So either bandit80 knew all this or he still thinks Gordon Brown is in office!!
08:01 AM on 01/09/2012
I see Rupert Murdoch is now backing Alex Salmond.... is there something about this guy and the agenda we haven't been told..?. It would be easier to carve up the UK if it were already divided.
11:32 AM on 01/09/2012
Murdoch's reason is simple pragmatism.

Whatever anybody thinks about him, he tends to know a winner when he sees one.
05:59 PM on 01/09/2012
Yep, and he's seen one in Scotland.... beware.
10:05 AM on 01/16/2012
You mean if the UK were made up of distinct nations with their own cultural identities and legal and civil administrations? Yes if only, eh?
03:30 AM on 01/17/2012
That wouldn't work... we'd soon be at war with each other.... The Rothschild would see to that.
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katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
05:45 AM on 01/09/2012
What a lot of eyewash. It doesn't matter what Salmond or Cameron say now. It's the same argument as N. Ireland, and Gibraltar. England is in the EU. Scotland is in the EU. The objective of the EU is th eunited States of Europe. I personally would like to see us out of the EU, but apart from once every few years, my opinion does not count, and then is diluted by several tens of millions of other voters. So what does it matter who is strutting round Holyrood house at the minute? They will all be redundant if and when the EU has it's way. Then we'll all be one big and not very happy country again.
09:25 PM on 01/09/2012
Hegemony of the 3rd reich is what it is all about, Germany and their Vichy French friends.
katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
09:02 AM on 01/10/2012
You are quite correct in that earlsspg. They will not be satisfied until they have finally done what they have tried militarilly and failed to do several times.
01:51 AM on 01/09/2012
Wasn't it Cameron who used the Euro referendum as a selling point to get elected, and yet when there was a vote for such referendum, he had his party member whipped into place to stop it?

Will the PM please step down! you my friend are surplus to requirements!
katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
05:37 AM on 01/09/2012
Yes, that's the one.
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01:18 AM on 01/09/2012
Now suddenly Cameron cares about Scotland and it's population, that makes a change. Did not think he knew there was anything north of London.
12:55 AM on 01/09/2012
The sooner the better! It will save us a fortune.....which i'm sure the government will invest in foreign aid or their own pension funds.....We certainly won't see any of it.
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
01:01 AM on 01/09/2012
"The sooner the better! It will save us a fortune"

It will, Scottish taxpayers will no longer have to subsidise the rest of the union and we can spend our money on our priorities.

"which i'm sure the government will invest in foreign aid or their own pension funds.....­We certainly won't see any of it."

No, that would be anathema to a Scottish government.
cantabria
my default position is wrong
07:04 AM on 01/09/2012
Byeee. No problem from me, however I don't think you will win the vote. If, nevertheless, the vote were in the UK then Scotland would get its independence. Wales as well, I don't care. We are all in the EU so it won't make any difference, unless of course Scotland decides to leave the EU.
12:30 AM on 01/09/2012
you wouldnt know haggis if it slapped you in the face, there is ordinary folks up here getting on with life ,who wants no agro from their fellows brits so why the stupid comments the south has nothing to BRAG about but will leave it there
11:57 PM on 01/08/2012
The photograph under the headline says it all. Stop laughing Alex! Tories are not welcome here, Labour has failed Scotland (and GB) miserably, Libs --- enough said. Is there an alternative to independence?
11:30 PM on 01/08/2012
I would vote for independance for Scotland on the condition we were independant of the EU then we would be able to bring back real laws and rules and bring back HANGING and make our land safer for folks to live in
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01:01 AM on 01/09/2012
Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for independence and then campaign for the changes you'd like to see within an independent Scotland? You know full well that the UK is unlikely to pull out of the EU and state sponsored murder isnt about to be making a come back anytime soon either. There are some other Scots who think in that same way as you do though, and their voice is more likely to be heard in a small population than it is in the much larger UK.
I'm sure that you also should know that the Scottish crime rate is falling and Scotland in general is the safest part of the UK to live in as far as fear of crime goes?
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
01:04 AM on 01/09/2012
There will never be capital punishment in an independent Scotland. If you want that kind of state-sanction barbarism, go and live in North Korea. Oh, and the facts show that capital punishment does *not* deter people from committing murder - US states with the death penalty have a *higher* murder and violent crime rate than those that don't.
10:58 PM on 01/08/2012
the historical moment "to be or not to be" in or out will soon arrive. The fate of Scotland rests in the hands of the scottish voters. Very little seem to be known about the rationale to leave or to stay in. Only sketchy details have been released by the SNP. This is one way ticket with all the benefit, the responsabilities, the advantages. On the other hands there will also be downs if the umbilical cord is cut, it will be like a new nation with all the resposabilities and the added not insignificant costs, like setting up embassies, contributions to to the EU coffers, creating a new currency , voting for the European Parliament and an incredible array of other tasks. So the clock is ticking slowly but surely Tempus Fugit and decision time will soon be around the corner.
Scotland was forced to join the Union when a costly expedition to central america went so wrong that bankruptde the country and the English bailed the Scots out on condition that they join the union> Thsi seems to have worked well for the last two hundred years and over but the new political masters in Scotland want to go it solo> Good Luck.
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
11:07 PM on 01/08/2012
"Very little seem to be known about the rationale to leave or to stay in. "

The reasons to leave are very clear, as are the benefits. The dependence parties, however, lie at every opportunity to try to save their miserable hides. They'll be found out soon enough.

"Scotland was forced to join the Union when a costly expedition to central america went so wrong that bankruptde the country and the English bailed the Scots out on condition that they join the union"

Absolutely false, Scotland was forced to join the union - under threat of bloody war and genocide - to prevent the French from invading England from the north. No bail out. Learn some of the history of the country you live in.
11:42 PM on 01/08/2012
I suggest you go to wikipedia for historical facts. I have no interest whatsover obout the outcome.
11:53 PM on 01/08/2012
I suggest that you go and do some research in wikipedia and read the paragraph that starts with 1698. Yes am a commedy witer but not in the UK. In fact I write farses and satirical articles. How did you guess? On another matter i am not a uk citizien and travel frequently in Europe. Whether you go it alone or stay in is of no consequence and interest to me. Ci sciamo capiti. Fatti una birra alla mia salute. Habe ein Bier auf mich.
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11:09 PM on 01/08/2012
By the time the referendum is called the picture will be much clearer for those who have yet to give the matter much thought. The pros and cons will be stated by those who believe in them, each in their own ways. The task will indeed be a large and challenging one, but surely we can face challenges on our own just as we face challenges as part of the present UK union.
Your understanding of how the union came to be is a little flawed. Perhaps a little more research is needed. Your assertion that the union has worked well is also debatable. Thanks for your good wishes :-)
11:32 PM on 01/08/2012
I have just sent you a quote from wikipedia about the causes why Scotland joined the Union. I have no interest in any way whether the union breaks up or otherwise. You will see that at the time it was the political masters that orchestrated the move to join the union beacuse it suited them, they had no money left in their coffers. Of course the English played an importan part as well, there in no denying that. There was at that time no political will to confront the English.
10:53 PM on 01/08/2012
In accordance to geological reports on the oil theres only 11 years left for it to still be a viable resource, as at the depth it will be at its just too costly to get due to the pressure issues with undersea drilling. The oil is not nationised so Scotland is only entitled to a percentage of the taxation of the companies profits that drill.

Let Salmond sell them a dream that don't excist jsut he can have his seat at the EU. Afterall its a party policy to be a FULL MEMBER OF THE EU, thats what he said the day after Camerons Veto.
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11:02 PM on 01/08/2012
The reports I've seen suggest 40+ years of exploitation still to come. I may be wrong, but that is not a reason for Scotland to remain thirled to westminster. Oil is not the be all and end all of the case for independence. Whatever taxation revenue remains to be accrued in the days after independence would not be a matter of any mere percentage coming to Scotland. It would all come to Scotland. 100%.
11:43 PM on 01/08/2012
the big word is exploitation
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
11:09 PM on 01/08/2012
Even if the oil dried up tomorrow, the case for independence is overwhelming. Democracy and self-determination are things that no one can put a price tag on and are things the Scots have been denied for more than 300 years.
11:25 PM on 01/08/2012
The problem is without the oil revenue your services would not be supported, I totally undersatnd why you will be given the one question, "in or out" as devo max would mean Scotland could actually borrow towards the Unions debt for projects only in Scotland. It would be like a child moving out of home and having a perminent credit card to use when ever they want from the parents.

I believe in democracy anyway, but it is also clear that business investment has slow down in Scotland due to the uncertainty of future taxation policies. I suspect your vote will be the very start of next year.
11:39 PM on 01/08/2012
I have just done a little reaserch on why the Scots joined the union, i suggest you go to wikipedia and find out yourself the reasons why the union came into being. Whether it was right then for a few noblemen who had been bankrupted in 1698 when they investments went badly wrong in panama to decide on the fate of Scotland and the English pressing at the dorr is a different question
10:46 PM on 01/08/2012
Oh, so now it's scotlands fault that business is not investing, not the weather then.
11:44 PM on 01/08/2012
The Scots can always sell water to England
12:38 AM on 01/09/2012
lol earlsspg.
cantabria
my default position is wrong
07:18 AM on 01/09/2012
And mosquitos.
10:11 PM on 01/08/2012
Scotland will be the worse of and any canny scotsman will know that its already a divided Island with Scots getting the best of the deal Red xxx
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10:20 PM on 01/08/2012
How will Scotland be worse off if we vote to reclaim independence? Facts please! Assertions are not good enough.
10:29 PM on 01/08/2012
WLQ you seem a rabid nationalist but as other posters have said if Scots are independent then so should the Islands and that leaves the Scots nowhere and as we are all EU puppets now any way it will not change a thing but I am so so very sure you know better its all an assertion and possibly academic but if the Scots want to go so be it how pointless to argue over that which as not happened and is most unlikely Red xxx
10:37 PM on 01/08/2012
you will soon find out, if you have not done your homework regarding the ups and downs or put in another way the pros and the cons or put in another way will you swim or will you sink. You can not ask other people this question it is for you to find out what the rationale is. So start doing your research and reach your own conclusions and if you decide to leave the union then vote to do so. Simple.