Scottish Independence: Government To Outline Plans To Give Holyrood Powers For Referendum

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PA/Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 10/01/12 06:20 Updated: 10/01/12 08:06

Plans to give Holyrood temporary powers for a legally binding referendum on Scottish independence will be set out by the government on Tuesday as tensions between Westminster and Scotland intensify.

Scottish Secretary Michael Moore will tell MPs the coalition wants the vote to be held "sooner, rather than later" but he will not set a previously expected deadline of 18 months on the vote, government sources have said.

The news follows warnings by prime minister David Cameron and chancellor George Osborne about the effect of uncertainty about Scotland's future on the UK's economy.

The government's intervention was greeted with anger by the Scottish National Party administration in Edinburgh, which accused London of trying to interfere in a matter which should be settled north of the border.

Cameron denied trying to "dictate" the terms of the referendum from Westminster, and insisted it will be for people in Scotland to decide whether they stay in the Union.

"We have to have legal clarity over who is responsible for this decision. Is it the Westminster Parliament or is it the Scottish Parliament? We will be setting out the legal position and trying to find a way through," he told Sky News.

Advice received by ministers on the legal implications of a referendum will be published alongside the government's proposals in the next few days.

Salmond's deputy Nicola Sturgeon denounced the move as "a blatant attempt to interfere in the decision that is really one for the Scottish Government in terms of the timing of the referendum and for the Scottish people in terms of the outcome".
She added: "We were elected on the basis of our commitment to have a referendum in the second half of this parliamentary term. This is about Westminster seeking to interfere."

Sturgeon indicated that the referendum would include three questions, yes to independence, no to independence and a third option labelled 'devo-max', more devolution without Scotland leaving the United Kingdom.

Speaking on Tuesday morning, chief secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander said that "jobs, investment and growth" were much more important priorities for holding a referendum then when the SNP proposes to hold the ballot.

"We want to be reasonable about it rather than waiting for them to come forward with a plan and then entering into years of legal wrangling of the sort that happens in other countries where they have separatist movements trying to break up their country," he told Radio 4's Today programme.

A spokesman for Salmond said that any attempt by Westminster politicians to dictate the terms or format of the referendum would only fuel demands for independence.

"The days of Westminster determining what happens in Scotland are over. We'll bring forward our proposals, we'll stick to what we said we would do in the election."

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17:32 on 11/01/2012
Context (from 1707 Act of Union, Article IX):
"That all parts of the United Kingdom forever,fr­om and after the Union, shall have the SAME allowances­, encouragem­ents, and drawbacks, and be under the same prohibitio­ns, restrictio­ns, and regulation­s of trade..."

Old history:
The Highland Clearances began in 1725 or 1762 depending on your definition­.

New history:
The unequally applied "poll tax", only in Scotland (1989).

It is clear that simple examinatio­n shows that the legal bindings of the Act have seldom been adhered to by the Westminste­r government­. While true that the average Scot receives more public funds than his English counterpar­t, this is far outweighed by the lost revenue of our nation's natural resources to coffers south of the border. And equally outrageous that the very country that pumps oil ashore should have the highest gasoline prices for its population to endure in the whole of Europe!

Of course England should be a close trading and economic partner to Scotland, but the terms must be made more equal. Independen­ce for Scotland is one of the (very) few leverages that Scotland has to shape its own future, for good OR ill.
11:00 on 11/01/2012
It is clear that Scotland already is an independent sovereign state due to the Kweens act of forefeiture ( see section 1 & 2 of the ACt of Settlement 1701 ) where she is forbidden from mixing with the Pope and all things Catholic...She first became disqualified in 1961 and really should have abdicated then and Charles come to the Throne...
Britain is in a state of INTERREGNUM (see Demise of the Crown act 1702 ) , the present govt is not valid as parliament needs a VALID MONARCH to open and close it. When asked in 2010 if it was true that the Act of Settlment applied to the present crowned kween ? they said yes but denied that she had forefeited the Crown (despite the law saying otherwise) , they said that she was disqualified IFshe had HOly COmmunion at a Catholic Church and then promptly issued a FREEDOM OF INFORMATION GAG on all from disclosing on the Royal Family.
10:37 on 11/01/2012
Cameron should keep his nose out of scotish afairs, We are the one who should decide the way forward for Scotland not an unelected body of the Lib Dems or Torry who have very little support in our Country.
19:49 on 11/01/2012
Like it or not (and trust me I don't like it myself) Cameron is currently the primeminister of the UK as it now stands, so he doess have a say in Scottish affairs in the same way has he does in English, Welsh and Northern Irish affairs. Hopefully Scotland will be given a referendum on independance, so will be able to vote for your own destiny and unlike the rest of us will be rid of him and his sidekick.
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07:41 on 11/01/2012
Some 54 per cent of people in Scotland questioned by Ipsos Mori for the thinktank British Future said they wanted to stay in the Union, against just 29 per cent who backed independence.

The poll, released as the Government set out its position on the terms of any referendum on independence, also showed similar majorities in both England and Wales in favour of Scotland staying in the UK.

According to the survey, voters north of the border are slightly more enthusiastic about preserving the Union than people in England or Wales.

Some 48 per cent of those questioned in England backed the Union, against 27 per cent who supported independence for Scotland. In Wales, 41 per cent wanted Scotland to stay in the UK, while 29 per cent said it should become independent.
01:33 on 11/01/2012
"Once upon a time there was a little country...." comes to mind.
23:14 on 10/01/2012
I would like to ask WLQ a question. You stated if the Scottish people did vote against being part of the UK you stated this would be irreversible. Now Salmond was reported in the newspapers as saying it would be possible for the Scots people who wish to retain their British identity they can do so. Now in the light of what you have just said you must be at odds with your own leader or is this just some of his usual nonsense in order to confuse the Scottish voter.
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23:21 on 10/01/2012
No WLQ got asked what his opinion would be on this matter.
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23:25 on 10/01/2012
I haven't seen the report but I would imagine that Eck was talking of Scots who currently live in England, Wales or N. Ireland. I'd appreciate a link to the interview though, if you have one to hand.
Cheers.
23:13 on 10/01/2012
I was anti indipendance but after cameron got involved i will vote yes jus because its typical england knows best but we have oil and water, also scots seem to run england maybe its our colony isnt your queen a german / scott.
23:56 on 10/01/2012
I would point out the Queen has Scottish blood coursing through her veins as well as German anscestry and im sure she is as proud of her anscestry as I am of mine. Im not getting involved in the monarchy debate Im only stating a fact.
09:46 on 11/01/2012
just as i said german / scott
22:07 on 10/01/2012
Never mind the Scottish Referendum Mr. Cameron you are using it as a smoke screen to deny us the real referendum, on EU membership, that the whole nation wants.
22:01 on 10/01/2012
Me again....... One more question to those that are pro independance. If Scotland does gain independance, would you like the option to opt back in to the UK, or would you prefer it to be irreversable?
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22:13 on 10/01/2012
Irreversible please.
22:28 on 10/01/2012
Interested in why you say this WLQ. I am pro English independance, so respect you for wanting Scottish independance. I just think that as we've managed to co-exist as a union for 300 or so years, to re unify (in a lessor form) for say econimic or defence reasons could possibly make sense. Would not a similar arrangement as exists between the current UK and the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands not make sense if we all find we can't live without each other?
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22:16 on 10/01/2012
To be honest if the doubts were that high that we needed a "get back in" clause, the referendum would be a NO vote in the first place. So I would say it has to be all or nothing.
22:40 on 10/01/2012
I'll ask you the same question Allyb999 as I have asked WLQ. Would not the option for defence and econmic reasons, the same arrangement as exists between the current UK and the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands not make sense? I am speaking as someone who is pro English independance, so I respect the wish for Scottich independance. It would also answer the questions that I put earlier about TV, Phone and the pound sterling - among others.
21:51 on 10/01/2012
If the vote , if it ever happens, goes for independence does that mean the rest of the country does not pay for the Scottish part of the proposed hi speed rail link to Glasgow?
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22:01 on 10/01/2012
Or maybe.. UK takes it to (or close) to the border and Scotland takes it on from there? I'm sure it could be done in an equitable way for the benefit of both nations.
The vote will happen in the autumn of 2014 according to this evening's news broadcasts.
22:29 on 10/01/2012
yes . close the border please. keep Rabsy and his missus thieving fingers away from london
23:02 on 10/01/2012
who wants to get to glasgow quickly anyway..i would put money on this rail link stopping many miles short of scotland
21:44 on 10/01/2012
So how far would independance go? Is Scotland still served by the BBC, Channel 4, Channel 5? Does STV still continue to broadcast programmes as part of the ITV network? - I am aware that STV is pretty much more independant of the rest of the network in England and Wales - but you get my meaning. Do telephone calls become international? Does the currency remain as the pound sterling? Just interested in the thoughts of those that are pro independance on this type of question.
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22:10 on 10/01/2012
Interesting ideas, hopefully Scotland would ditch the BBC totally will save a fortune on licence fee. As far as other stations, most are commercial and I suppose it would be up to them. Telephones calls would more than likely be international, cannot see the telephone companies missing a chance to rip of the general public. Currency would have to be decided.
22:19 on 10/01/2012
Hopefully England will ditch the Beeb at the same time then. Hopefully get rid of ITV too! Bear in mind though that Channel 4 although commercial is actually state owned!
22:35 on 10/01/2012
does BBC alba stop being funded by the licence payer? if that is the future of an independent scotland then god help those who remain in it.honestly...i have never seen so much up your own backside bagpipe blowing nonsense in my life. scotland will become a caricature of itself and i dare say alot of the more sensible scots will come down south to live in the real world.
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23:12 on 10/01/2012
Again a lot of words but no substance.
21:20 on 10/01/2012
funny that this government are so concerned about this vote and totally ignoring the ' in - or out' of the eec vote.
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21:34 on 10/01/2012
The big difference is that the Scottish independence question is being raised by an elected devolved government which is intending to keep the promise they made to the people before election. The ConDem coalition have not yet managed to do that very well.
21:44 on 10/01/2012
i hope the scots grab the opportunity of a vote with both hands. i feel this is being made a huge issue by the condems to hide the issue of the vote of in or out of the eec.
22:45 on 10/01/2012
The thing is this..you are wrong. Westminister has the final say on this referendum and its outcome and the SNP know this only too well. This elected devolved government you speak of is actualy a regional administration and all of its decisions are subject to central funding aproval.Salmond is trying to reduce the winning percentage needed to 34% by adding the Devo-Max question and not surprisingly westminister can see it for what it is and are not going to roll over and let the scottish no voters be cheated in this manner. Yes or No ...and lets get it over with
20:28 on 10/01/2012
To me it's a no brainer. The question is being asked, so let there be a referendum and allow the people of Scotland to decide. Then the question will be answered - for now at least as it will rear it's head again in another few years. All I would ask is that each camp respects the outcome.
19:58 on 10/01/2012
I'm a Scot and have worked South gf the border since 1972, returning at least twice a year to visit friends and relatives. I think devolution has been good but I'm not convinced about a total break-away from the UK. I also believe that I'm a stakeholder in this and should have a vote in any referendum. I'm sure others feel likewise.
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20:07 on 10/01/2012
Depends on what criteria they use to deem who gets to vote and who does not. My mother in law is english and has stayed in Scotland since the 1960s, so in my opinion she would have more rights to a vote than a Scottish person who has not stayed in the country for decades. I am pretty sure many others also feel likewise.
21:49 on 10/01/2012
Can the English, Welsh and Irish have a vote as well?
After all it will affect us all.
13:58 on 11/01/2012
Ironically, my mother-in-law is in the same position. I wonder if that great Scottish patriot Sean Connery will get a vote from his tax haven. Then, of course, there's Brown and B-Liar.
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21:35 on 10/01/2012
To have a vote you'll have to come back home and get your name on the voters roll.
23:05 on 10/01/2012
that is a proposal so daft mickey mouse couldn`t have dreamt it up.
19:13 on 10/01/2012
I agree with Enigma666. I live in Scotland and eveyone Ive asked have said they dont want an independent Scotland and Ive asked loads of people because Im interested in hearing their opinions as I'm unsure. We've got it good at the moment, free prescriptions, good health service compared to some I will wait to see what they come up.