Military Schools Idea From Michael Gove Wins Backing From ResPublica

Military Academies Michael Gove Respublica

First Posted: 11/01/2012 06:27 Updated: 11/01/2012 11:17

A network of schools run by the military should be introduced in Britain's most deprived areas to prevent youngsters turning into a new generation of rioters, according to a think-tank.

The military academies would draw upon the "unique technical and vocational expertise" of the armed forces and use it to address poor discipline and educational failure in problem neighbourhoods, ResPublica said.

In a report published on Wednesday, the independent organisation calls on the Coalition to back a pilot scheme that will see 10 schools set up in "Neet blackspots" - where a large proportion of youngsters are not in education, employment or training - before rolling them out in all local education authorities.

It says: "Military academies would open up new opportunities for those lacking hope and aspiration; they would change the cultural and moral outlook of those currently engulfed by hopelessness and cynicism."

The report, named Military Academies - Tacking Disadvantage, Improving Ethos and Outcomes and Revitalising our Armed Forces, was compiled in the wake of last summer's riots.

It says two-thirds of young people involved in the disorder had some form of special educational need and more than a third had been excluded from school during 2009-10, laying bare the extent of educational failure in Britain's poorest communities.

According to the study, troubled youngsters will benefit from receiving pastoral care from those with a military background.

Phillip Blond, founder of ResPublica, said: "Both Michael Gove and Nick Clegg have highlighted the value of military training. Mr Gove in calling for boot camps for expelled children and Nick Clegg's summer camps, but the Government must be much bolder.

"Why should the benefits of military discipline and training be limited to a handful of children excluded from mainstream schools, or just two weeks a year? If the Government is serious about harnessing the expertise and ethos of the armed forces, then they must be far more radical."

The report adds the academies will also help students into employment by forming partnerships with defence and other manufacturing firms that offer apprenticeships.

The authors also calls on the UK to adopt America's Troops to Teach scheme, a fast-track teacher training programme for military personnel which has helped over 9,500 veterans into the classroom in the US.

But teaching union NASUWT said the report was based on a "cynical misuse and misrepresentation of the causes of the riots".

Chris Keates, general secretary of the union, said: "The proposal amounts to nothing more than the disgraceful, unjustified vilification of whole communities, promulgating the view that if you are poor and working class you must, therefore, be included to criminality and anti-social behaviour."

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10:45 AM on 01/13/2012
Another Gove idea that he will love. Getting the miltary to run schools when they are facing cuts. Conscription went out long ago. Creating special academies for special children - what a stigma. What would employers make. Probably the only people who will take these children are the military themselves. They had to be taught at a military academy!!!!!

There are a lot of improvements that could be made in schools and a few in others. Get them all up to one standard with proper funding, teacher pupil ratio's, decent buildings, etc. Not militarise them - too much of that at the moment.
04:54 PM on 01/12/2012
O.M.G. Cuckoo Cuckoo! No the youngsters need to be reassured there is a future at the end of school. LIKE JOBS!
07:15 PM on 01/11/2012
how sick
01:11 PM on 01/11/2012
There are three social relationships:
1. Those of Subordination - one person obeys another. (Traditional, dominant in past)
2. Those of Compliance - we keep to the rules. (Modern, dominant until recently
3. Those of Consent - we act democratically. (Now dominant)

The school crisis has occurred because the compliance system has broken down.

Progressives want to move forward with democratization.
Traditionalists want to move backwards with subordination. (Military schools)

The problem for progressives is that democratization is never properly attempted because there are too many vested interests from Government downwards with a hand in controlling schools. Result - no experiments in full consent systems in failing schools. Not one.

The problem for traditionalists is that subordination systems rely upon the sanction of punishment, usually physical which is no longer legal - and that is not going to change. Therefore the greatest punishment is expulsion.

So, we will end up with military schools with compliant students in them and the non-compliant back where they started, in the regular system or in the street.

We could have a social experiment with both kinds of schools being started in an area with failing schools.

One military school based upon subordination. One democratizing school based upon consent.

Then allow parents and children to choose where they go and transfer if they wish. And do this not in order to compete, but in order to do what Conservatives are always telling us they are ready to give their lives for:

OFFER REAL CHOICE.
12:59 AM on 01/12/2012
Very eloquent theory. I went to a military school (long, long ago) and it was hard. I came out very confident in myself, having those nasty barbed edges of my character smoothed sufficiently for me to fit into society. I have enjoyed a successful and happy life ever since. My school friends have all done well in their lives too, some reaching very high levels in their chosen careers or distinguishing themselves in other ways. Another small point...if you expect to give orders one day, you first need to learn how to take them.
11:43 AM on 01/11/2012
Some useful ideas, and some not so helpful comments to go with the helpful ones. As the parent of a special educational needs child I would definitely not vote for conscription as that takes away my son's right to choose. However, I firmly believe in discipline and respect, and have fought for 11 years to instil these values in my son. He now attends a school where they back this up and he is beginning to achieve his potential. No, it's not a military school, but there is a part of me that wishes it was as the armed forces teach more than fighting, they teach self-discipline, respect for authority, self-responsibility, teamwork, self-care, basic life skills and of course they have a great fitness regime.

Couple that with the teaching of academic subjects, sciences, humanities, and you would have a fantastic school system. One I believe should perhaps be rolled out nationwide and offered to all children, not just the ones the current liberal system can't handle due to the vast overindulgence of children's rights. I never expected to be told that my son had a right to run out into the road without me stopping him.... Yes, I was told that by his first school. I think I would err on the side of caution and stop teaching children that they "have rights". Plenty of time for them to learn that when they get past the contrary stage and become adults!
05:00 PM on 01/12/2012
Yes I can believe that. A six year old child came home from school one day and said she was told she could do whatever she liked! I asked where she got that from and she said school, I immediately had to contradict them. And say no there are rules and regulations that we all have to adhere to. So there iss where confusion starts on the kids part who do they believe the teacher or the parent????
11:26 AM on 01/11/2012
This is a good idea. Let's teach our children to kill strangers.
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purple1236
12:01 PM on 01/11/2012
Thats the problem , they already do
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butterfly123
05:32 PM on 01/11/2012
Military schools are not about killing people, its about discipline, self esteem etc.
07:16 PM on 01/11/2012
but not iimagination. not for my children
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butterfly123
11:18 AM on 01/11/2012
What a wonderful idea, but will also say, how about doing it for those who know they want to join the forces when they leave school.
11:09 AM on 01/11/2012
I absolutely agree with this report 100%.... This IS what we need !.
12:50 PM on 01/11/2012
So, we need a Military class, something the hitl3r youth. If you want a discipline society then introduce a compulsory military conscription that will be used for a civilian projects and not military adventures.
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01:17 PM on 01/11/2012
That would be the choice of the individual, whether they want to embrace the military life style once they reach 18. Up until the reach 18 that training should be at the military schools discretion. Remember it is not a punishment. They have had the choices from 13-14 to find direction, take A levels study etc. If they choose not to then the decision has to be made for them. Conscription is where you end up, then we don't have to pay unemployment benefit, housing, jobseekers to people not job seeking. All this funding can be spent on military discipline, respect. Imagine old people not fearing going out in the evening anymore. Imagine no housing estates littered with yobs racing around on scooties. The alternative is continued chaos, anarchy, crime murders, racist abuse, unemployment, and fear. The biggest winner in society for any government is fear. When society is in fear you will always need politicians to protect you? Remove the fear, and you have a nicer more caring society.
01:41 PM on 01/11/2012
Quiet obviousley one does not have to adopt the Nazi political principles to run a Military Accademy !. However, I think you would have great difficulty locating any reccords for a poorly behaved member of the Hitler youth ?. So whatever the politics and principles you decide to teach. The basic concept is one of maintaing a level of respect for the rule of law and adopting a code of conduct that is riggerousley enforced.
10:17 PM on 01/11/2012
hahahaha They tried that in the United States. It didnt take long for problems to come about. While it had its goods point and did help a lot in some areas It didnt take but a few years before they were shut down.
1. Abuse claims were all over the place , a lot of the people in place were just mean spritited in the name of progress for kids.
2. They took some of the most hardern kids and gave them military training and discipline. Turn out some well trained criminals.
3. Taught a lot of kids to hate the military and government service.
4. A lot of kids were well focused, well behaved, did what they were told, but had no passion in life.
IF they do it there make sure ther is some creativity in the kids life or you just bring up drones
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mendelcrosses
11:05 AM on 01/11/2012
So the solution they have come up with in response to the riots is that 'lets just brainwash them from very young?' What a response,poor kids are only fit to die in their wars. How about opening business schools,technology schools,law schools,etc in those poor neighbourhoods?
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Lord Justice Wolf
12:39 PM on 01/11/2012
Recent release of papers showed that politicians organised and initiated the managed decline of city's due to them not doing as they were told. Teach Kids to Kill complete strangers? They already do. Bury your head and think that our schools have not failed our children. Not alone did they do this. It was orchestrated and managed by politicians. Removing discipline from the schools and giving children as young as 12 rights to do what they see fit? Teaching children how to have sex, instead of teaching children that it is against the Law to have sex until they reach 16. I no, they already no this but children's organisations tend to say, we no there going to do it so lets teach them to do it right? Im sorry but I'm a staunch believer that this encourages experimentation. from 14 they have a right to have the pill from the doctor without parents being involved. People say where is the money coming from. Military funding, this isn't about ALL children leaving and forced to enlist, this is a minority.
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Lord Justice Wolf
12:40 PM on 01/11/2012
There are some great kids leaving school. How many brilliant parents brought there kids up well, and watched helplessly with frustration as there child lost his drive, seen other kids doing materialistically better and decided they wanted the easier way? Do you think there is support for those parents. Don't blast the parent who feels helpless, that's what make civilisation unique as we are all different and handle situations differently. We have different dialects and interpret things, readings, comments differently. So don't use the, my kids didn't turn to crime but yours did argument. We are all so very different.
10:52 AM on 01/11/2012
this is nothing new as we had this in the UK and everyone had to do it and guess who scrapped it ...................the government............................
10:43 AM on 01/11/2012
Bring back discipline and punishment in schools.
Teach them manners and discipline the parents don't because they have none themselves!!
How can you expect children to behave if parents are as bad or worse!!
Drum some sense into them, then bring back 12 months military service they need it.
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Allyb999
10:50 AM on 01/11/2012
Again we are back to military service, but the military do not want them. As an ex squaddie I would not want some snot nosed kid who has been forced into military service, being my back up when things go pear shaped out in the field.
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Lord Justice Wolf
12:50 PM on 01/11/2012
Every person who goes to War has the potential of letting the side down when it comes to it. Its down to the training of each individual. You say you would not want some snotty nosed kid, why do teachers have to deal with them. So teachers can't deal with them, military can't hack it, they can only invade country's with no education and murder them in the street on the pre tense there their to help whilst syphoning off the oil reserves, moving a cloak and dagger regime in, in place of there own government to insure we the West continue to have our so called freedom? Im not dishing the Army or military, Im all for a disciplined regime stepping in where the weaker in our society have failed. But you are not offering an alternative. These are kids, and come what may, a society has failed them. Be it parents, schools, governments what does it matter. We have failed them. So how do we put it right. Enlist them? Teach them discipline, respect, motivation, fitness, a fitter body is a fitter mind.
10:38 AM on 01/11/2012
Would be better to send a large proportion of the parents who live in my area to military school. People want all the rights but without the responsibilities.
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mendelcrosses
11:08 AM on 01/11/2012
So to you being responsible is joining or forced in to the military? How about opening medical schools,business schools,technology and engineering schools in those deprived areas as well and for free - i am assuming that they wont be charged to get in to those military schools.
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butterfly123
11:19 AM on 01/11/2012
We already have schools that are classed as technology schools etc
10:38 AM on 01/11/2012
I appeal to people who think this is a retrograde step to come up with an alternative to those yougsters who fail our education system, and please don't say 'it is the education system failing them'. We all have the same opportunities in education if we choose to take them, but one must except the fact that a minority of youth do not want to learn and will 'buck' the system. Surely it is better to give them an opportunity get out of the cycle of truancy and disruption and exclusion.
As to the person who wrote that military personel are not qualified to teach, they obviously didn't read the whole article where teacher training would be given!
In these days where even to raise your voice to a pupil can lead to the teacher being disciplined we need to get back the respect for those that have dedicated their careers to teaching others.
p.s. I am not a teacher, I couldn't do their job!!
10:45 AM on 01/11/2012
I agree it is not the eduaction sytem but the namby pamby laws made to stop teachers instilling discipline at schools also the parents who are so thick they are as bad.
Bring back discipline and manners.
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Allyb999
10:48 AM on 01/11/2012
But the military staff who become teachers would not have any more rights than other teachers. So how would they be any better at teaching the children that buck the system. Believe me all youngsters know their rights.
11:07 AM on 01/11/2012
Yes but rights can be withdrawn/changed !!
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Michaelxx
10:29 AM on 01/11/2012
one step nearer to a hard police/military state...slow but sure
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10:27 AM on 01/11/2012
This is like the Animal farm chapter where the Dogs Pupies are taken and train to be Napoleon's enforcers and body guards that when they are grown up are used againsted the other animals. The liberal human right brigade have went about to ruin disciple both in schools and society and now when things fall a part then turn to facist ways to protect themselves. Simple solution, let teachers teach and impose discipline. Ban all mobiles, ipads and non school computers and make the childern do at least 4 hours sports a week