Scotland May Not Be Allowed To Keep The Pound If It Leaves the UK, George Osborne Says

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First Posted: 12/01/12 19:50 Updated: 13/01/12 16:14

George Osborne has suggested an independent Scotland would not be able to keep the pound as its currency, as he spoke of "taking the fight" to the SNP.

Speaking on ITV news on Thursday evening, the chancellor said Scotland's first minister would have to explain what his plans are for the currency of Scotland if it left the United Kingdom.

"Alex Salmond has said Scotland should join the euro that means giving up the pound, joining the euro, that is not the currency I’d be wanting to join at a time like this," he said.

The SNP has said an independent Scotland would join the European Union. Countries that join the EU are required to join the single currency as part of the accession deal. However Osborne refused to say whether the Scots would be allowed to keep the pound following separation and the decision to join the EU.

Osborne said that he thought Scotland would "lose out" and would not be as prosperous as it would be if it remained part of the UK. "I think profoundly it would not be good for Scotland or for the UK and it wouldn't be good for the people of Scotland in terms of the health of the Scottish economy," he said.

His intervention could be seen as an attempt to turn any future referendum on Scottish independence into a choice for between Pound Sterling and the single European currency, which he said had "been very damaging for the whole of the world".

Osborne, who chairs a ministerial committee on Scotland, is taking a leading role in fighting the SNP's call for the break up of the UK.

"I think at last we are taking the fight to the separatists," he told ITV. "Those who do not want to see this country pulled apart are now putting their arguments together and what's interesting is you see when you put some pressure on the SNP you can quite quickly put them on the back foot."

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15:47 on 21/01/2012
Pound is Scottish any way, england should be asking us for permission to keep it if we went independant. Snp has always said theyd keep the pound. Osbourne is trying to mix things up to confuse the scots, scots have had enough!
17:31 on 19/01/2012
Independence in Europe! you are having a laugh if you have one chair for the U.K. or 4 chairs one for England, one for Ireland and one for Wales, you will still not be independent 4 voices or one you are still out numbered by Europe
15:41 on 19/01/2012
If they want independence, they fine that means everything including the pound.
11:11 on 19/01/2012
How about the Scottish bawbee?
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12:49 on 18/01/2012
I think Scottish independance if handled correctly could be a great boost for both Scottish and UK fishermen. As they should both seize the opportunity to renegotiate their respective quotas up to at least the realistic level the UK should have been in the first place. The problem was uK fishermen were sold out by their original government (as per usual) who only submitted a catch estimate half of what it should be to toady up to the EEC. Their Spanish and French equivelents being 10 times the men the UK ministers were new a thing about negotiating so got the biggest catch estimate and then X it by 3 before submitting their quotas expecting to be knocked back. End result the EEC surprisingly accepted all figures and gave out respective quotas based on them. French and Spanish fishermen got 3 X what they needed the UK fishermen got half of what they needed and stabbed in the back by its own government. Now is the opportunity to redress this farce but this time dont send along governmental clowns to negotiate.
05:58 on 15/01/2012
England sees Scotland--and raises!
18:11 on 14/01/2012
What's wrong with Huffington Post, why do they constantly delete threads, which are addressing and contributing to the subject of their articles, and then keep all the sensationalist stuff, which has nothing to do with the subject at hand? In this case the currency of a possible independent Scotland, please allow us to address this and other issues directly Huffington, or are you affraid we may have a relevant debate, which might upset your invested interests.
23:52 on 18/01/2012
jr73

I think the English politicos are afraid to lose the oil revenues they have relied on for so long.Indeed they know that this money would make Scotland one of the top economies in Europe if not the world all the money brought in by the sale of wisky would also contribute to the sole economy of Scotland showing the myth conjured up by Westminster that Scotland gets more from the UK than she puts in.Away and bile your heid
17:49 on 14/01/2012
I said it on the other page and I shall say it on this one......... All that is happening is a lot of arguing over heresay at present and the media is loving it, read all the papers on the same article and they all contradict each other, it's all he said she said nonesense. If Scotland gets Independence I for one do not care as long as they have no backing at all from England. We are far stronger together but not if one part wants out, so let them out if it is what they want, let them join the euro and let us continue on our merry way :)
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17:27 on 14/01/2012
Shouldn't the Scottish people be first allowed to vote and then if they vote yes they want independence then discuss what form that independence should take? After all Scotland may want a kind of federal approach on matters of currency defence and other matters.
Salmond may want to join the EU and Euro but that does not mean the Scots will want that option.
My personal view is that labour and Tories and Libs from rest of UK butt out and let it be a descion made by the Scottish MP's and people.
10:26 on 14/01/2012
The conservative have only one seat in Scotland, so how can anybody be suprised that talk of independence is to the fore, when we have a Tory led coalition in power ?.
Maybe the rest of the UK should wake up and follow Scotlands enlightened example, and the UK would stay united.
It is a fact that the three main parties who have held power for many years in the UK ,are basically all tarred with the same brush.
12:17 on 14/01/2012
In that case Salmond is a Tory in SNP clothing.
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12:36 on 14/01/2012
I shall await your justification of that patently ludicrous assertion with baited breath......
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03:47 on 14/01/2012
Many of us "Yanks" are puzzled about why Scotland would want to separate from Great Britain in the first place. I know there's a lot of historical animosity there, but what would be the benefit of separating now? This story is getting little if any play in the States and I'm really curious.
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10:37 on 14/01/2012
Don't a great many Texans and Alaskans (inlcuding "Rogue" Palin) want to split from the union?
12:19 on 14/01/2012
I suppose the Alaskans could ask the Russians to but their state back. The state was bought by the USA so it belongs to them.
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02:28 on 14/01/2012
Here we go already with the Westminster scaremongering. Either say for sure what is going to happen or say nothing at all Mr Osbourne
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09:41 on 14/01/2012
Well, maybe it's time for Mr Salmond to come out and explain to the Scottish people what the effect of independence would be on the currency. He seems rather reluctant to spell it out; can't think why.
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13:56 on 14/01/2012
Well maybe thats why the Scottish government wants the referendum in 2014, so it has time to explain what the effects may be ( nothing is for sure in this current economic climate ) and why the UK government want thr referendum rushed so as to prey on peoples doubts while scaremongering to keep the fears alive.
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15:49 on 13/01/2012
Obviuosly, Osborne hasn't though this through: would England be allowed to keep the pound?

At the moment the UK is a member of EU. Yes - if Scotland became independent it would have to apply for membership: but SO WOULD ENGLAND, because it is not the UK.

Therefore - Osborne really ought to keep his mouth shut, or he may find the EU tells the English government to either leave the EU or adopt the Euro.
16:08 on 13/01/2012
He's just another victim of the system, i blame the parents myself, but then he would'nt be the first in thinking that England IS the UK now would he.

I dont think joining the euro is very popular right now, nor is membership of the EU, something to do with a dislike of being dictated to by another countrys leaders, makes me laugh, why on earth is that such a bad thing then eh, Scots have had three hundred years of just that and arnt they loving it? NO not really, political rule of thumb = mind over matter, they dont mind and we dont matter.
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12:11 on 18/01/2012
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England alone is the UK? Osbourne isn't even that progressively minded he thinks London alone is the UK .
17:36 on 13/01/2012
From Wiki: "The 1962 secession of French Algeria, which was an integral part of France and hence of the then-European Communities, was the only such occasion on which a territory subject to the Treaty of Rome has become an independent state."

I expect that the UK without Scotland would be accommodated within the EU as the good old Treaty of Lisbon made implementing changes to membership easier.
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20:39 on 13/01/2012
Orthrus.. I've seen many of your posts on matters relating to the EU and would be interested in what your understanding is of Scotland's position in the event of a YES vote in the referendum. It isn't a topic I've managed to come to any solid understanding of and some rational input would be welcomed.

Thanks in anticipation of your usual "thought through" type response.
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00:20 on 14/01/2012
The situation of Scotland is completely different to Algeria. France without Algeria remained France. The UK without Scotland is no longer the UK, since UK stands for United Kingdom, and only Scotland and England are "kingdoms" united by Act of Parliament. Dissolve the Union and the UK ceases to exist.

I suggest that if Osborne were to start threatening Scotland with bully-boy financial threats, Scotland could easily drag this constitutional issue through the courts for decades. England cannot keep all the benefits of being the “UK” to itself while denying them to Scotland.
14:50 on 13/01/2012
Many Tory supporters on the ground (not the leadership) are in favour of Scottish independance. It virtually makes a Conservative government in Westminster a certainty for the next two decades. This becomes even more apparent when you look at the historical voting trends in England and Wales as well as the distribution of seats. As someone of the centre Left and someone who likes Scotland very much, I fear what independance would do to the Scottish economy too. I think the voters of Scotland are playing a very clever game of voting SNP to garner as much support from Westminster as possible in the hope that politicians in London would cough up to maintain a United Kingdom. Its a dangerous game though. How far can the rest of the UK be pushed before it snaps?
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16:34 on 13/01/2012
" I think the voters of Scotland are playing a very clever game of voting SNP to garner as much support from Westminste­r as possible in the hope that politician­s in London would cough up to maintain a United Kingdom."

As a Scottish voter, I think they are doing no such thing.
14:35 on 13/01/2012
SNP = Salmond's National Party, it's time for the sensible people of Scotland to 'fight' back. I watched another of his misguided disciples on BBC's Question Time... one Ms Nicola Sturgeon. Her rhetoric was shown to be what it really is...hot air, no subtance and all wrapped up in a parcel of innuendo. She was glad when the end of the programme arrives.. so she could go and weep to 'daddy Alex' and ask for a hanky after those nasty, sensible people on the panel made her (SNP's) cry...It will be the Scots peopel who will be weeping by the bucket load if they get away with and the rest of the UK along with them.
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14:44 on 13/01/2012
"SNP = Salmond's National Party"

You're misinformed, SNP = Scottish National Party.

"it's time for the sensible people of Scotland to 'fight' back."

Emillio once more resorts to petty insults because he can't address the facts or comprehend the idea that educated Scots in their thousands voted for the SNP.

And that's all the rest of your post is, petty insult, devoid of substance. Try addressing the central argument for once. Present facts and figures, take us through your rationale for why Scotland should not leave the union and leave the insults aside.
19:42 on 13/01/2012
BJC - no insults I promise just facts.............
1. The 2 nations are far far stronger in union always were - always will be.
2. 70% of English want rid of Scots mainly because of the £1680 per person subsidy taken out of UK coffers. Currently some one third of Scots want separation, which suggests that maybe the English want the Scots to have Independance!
3. Scotland will not have sole rights to the oil - the oil is a British asset.
4. Every person in Scotland will be taxed to about 27 / 28% (10% Westminster, 17/18% local Scottish tax just to make up the current difference as is now.
5. Scotland will not be able to afford one Regiment, one Squadron and one Frigate, which would not be enough to defend itself.
6. Scotland will be a Third World country within 5 yrs of Independance and many families will leave the country in their droves.
7. The country will be left with tribes or should I say clans and it'll be back to square one.
8. Whoever is left will be begging the UK to take Scotland back but it may well be too late.
9. Don't say I did not warn everyone out there that Independance is taken at the nation's peril - it is a very dangerous road to go down - don't enter please!
02:17 on 14/01/2012
I have asked this time and again, why can't you disciples of the FC state your case for gaing more that what you ahve already got, why you can't admit that the FC is a meglomaniac with no poicly except to slpit the union in ored to make an already independent Scotland more independent...the man is a bigot and his bigottry will at last find him out. Vote out Salmond's Nationalist Party, then we can all go back to getting on with our lives in a calm and reserved manner.
20:01 on 13/01/2012
Did you actually watch Question Time last night.
No way did Nicola Sturgeon cry, she held her own superbly.
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20:42 on 13/01/2012
Agreed. Did wee Dougie no just deserve a slappin though? He really is a nasty little man.