Welfare Reform Bill Amendments On Disabled People's ESA Income Will Be Overturned, Pledges Chris Grayling

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 12/01/12 07:59 GMT Updated: 12/01/12 17:30 GMT

The government has insisted that it will seek to reverse three significant changes to the Welfare Reform Bill made by the House of Lords last night.

Peers amended the flagship Bill to block cuts to Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) to severely disabled people, which peers say would only save the Treasury £10m.

Work and Pensions Minister Chris Grayling insisted the changes would be overturned, saying that the government's measures would see the ESA benefits being means tested, and that disabled people with no other form of income would keep the benefits.

"We have said very clearly that we will seek to reverse the amendments in the Lords when it comes back to the Commons. We're having to take some tough decisions and I'm particularly disappointed with the Labour party," he said, suggesting Ed Miliband had agreed earlier this week on the need for tough decisions in his so-called "relaunch speech".

"I think the British public believe we need a welfare state that provides support for those who need it... but we can't provide it to everyone," Grayling added.

Downing Street backed Grayling today, saying they may use financial privilege to challenge the amendments. "It's about the authority of the Commons over issues that relate to money," said a Number 10 spokesperson.

Crossbench peer Baroness Meacher, who tabled one of the three amendments, said taking ESA away from severely disabled young people "crossed the line of British decency."

The amendments were backed by the non-political crossbench peers, who include former judges and police officers. Liberal Democrat peers defied the coalition whip and failed to support the government, causing it to lose the three votes by significant majorities.

"We were voting on issues where very seriously disabled people were going to be deprived benefits," Baroness Meacher told the Today programme on BBC Radio 4. "Very severely disabled children coming to adulthood - who will be disabled all their lives and will never have the chance to earn.... these people will have that benefit withdrawn.

"These very non-political crossbenchers felt it was over the line."

Shadow welfare minister Lord McKenzie attacked the government's proposal as "fundamentally unfair" and called for a limit to be reached after "an evidence-based process" and not chosen as an "an arbitrary figure".

On Wednesday night peers voted by 260 to 216 to retain automatic eligibility to ESA for young disable people who are unable to work.

The Lords also voted by 234 to 186 to impose a two year time limit for ESA claimants, instead of the government's proposed 12 months, and by 222 to 166 to exempt cancer patients from the limit.

The three defeats are a major blow to the government, and to Lord Freud, who was charged with piloting the bill through the Lords.

The government is attempting to remove the "youth provision" from ESA, which allows young people to receive the benefit even if they have not contributed to National Insurance due to disability or illness.

The changes would limit the time anyone can receive ESA without means-testing to 12 months.

Opponents to the plan argue that disabled people who are not able to work would lose access to ESA.

The Macmillan cancer charity has said that 7,000 people could lose £94 a week if the plans go through.

Mike Hobday, Director of Policy and Research at Macmillan Cancer Support, said Lords had voted for "compassion and common-sense."

“The Lords have stood up for cancer patients so they are not penalised simply because they have not recovered quickly enough from treatment. This vote could now signal a dramatic improvement for thousands of cancer patients who would no longer have a time limit on recovery to get back to work following their illness.

Labour MPs supported an amendment to the bill by Lord Patel, the former president of the Royal College of Obstetricians, which would increase the limit on means-testing to two years.

Shadow welfare minister Lord McKenzie attacked the government's proposal as "fundamentally unfair" and called for a limit to be reached after "an evidence-based process" and not chosen as an "an arbitrary figure".

But Welfare Reform Minister Lord Freud said the effect of increasing the time limit from one to two years would be £1.6 billion over five years.

He said the proposal to time-limit contributory ESA only applied to people in the "work-related activity group" and not those in the "support group" who were deemed incapable of work.

"Those in the support group and those claiming income-related ESA are unaffected by these proposals," he said.

"We will always provide a safety net for those with limited income and people will still be able to claim income-related ESA."

A spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: "Our plans are about returning the welfare state to its original purpose of supporting those with the most need. This means ensuring that taxpayers' money is spent on those who are too sick or disabled to work and those with the least money.

"ESA is for people who could be expected to get back into work and was never intended to be a long term benefit.

"The time-limit of one year strikes the best balance between recognising that some people need extra help to enter the workplace and that the taxpayer cannot afford to support people indefinitely who could be in employment."

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03:27 PM on 05/04/2013
I have a disabled neighbour who received High Level Disability Living Allowance, I now this because she has a car on the Motability Car Plan.
What I can never understand is that she can walk two dogs on her own, cut the hedge outside her house at head height (5'6"), mow the lawn, drive (like a woman possessed) forwards in the car, turn her head over her shoulder whilst reversing . . . . yet still collects the full benefit.
This is why the general public believe that the rules need reforming. This woman clearly can go out to work and contribute to society rather than sponge from the tax payers.
08:18 PM on 07/05/2012
This benefit was implemented to weed out the genine ill/disabled from the scroungers, but however, once again this is not the case, whilst the genuine people are getting kicked off the benefit, the scroungers are getting more devious and going below the radar and managing to stay on the benefit.
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06:43 PM on 01/17/2012
stop immigrants claiming...stop immigrants coming into the country. the maybe the reforms that the government are talking about may not be necessary
03:20 PM on 01/13/2012
Disability is INDIVIDUALLY UNIQUE and as such, cannot be generalized for accounting purposes so as to cut benefits budgets by forcing disabled into the work environment where the young/most able are hireable and those with the baggage of 'handicaps' are not, especially the older disabled.The need for "accommodation" is a pink-slip guarantee in the current business climate.To naiively compel the disabled into job-seeking by cutting/eliminating their ESA benefit is insidiousness akin to 1930's nazis' tactics and will cause costly harms to the disabled. Anyone who "can" work probably wants to work, but getting hired at work appropriate to capability is another matter in this business climate. Those disabled who are hired will most likely eventually face the mandate to do tasks which their disability prohibits or be demoted/marginalized/terminated for disciplinary action against their not doing the tasks ordered or in the manner ordered...disability being circumvented by businesses cutting expenses. Ultimately, the disabled injured by being compelled into wrong work situations will end up more costly in the emergency room of hospitals, in cpecial care wards of hospitals, and in Care facilities, often with increased disablement resulting ! THAT is why corporations/corporate accounting practices should NEVER run public services where quality/service level is mandatory because corporate accountants cut quality/service level/eligibility in order to maintain/increase profit...that is what corporations do...that is precisely why good democracy government NEVER behaves like a corporation.
07:06 PM on 01/12/2012
I have worked since leaving school. At age 16. Im now 42. All my work has been manual. In the same job. but with different companies. I install and maintain alarm systems. Manual work takes its toll on your body. I now work with painfull elbows. And a dodgy left knee. Alot off these so called disabled. Have nothing wrong with them. They should be tested and if found fit. Made to work like the rest off us. Most of us know people who have made a life out of living on benefits. You will see them in there gardens all summer. Relaxing while you leave for work. none of them stop to think that it is the working people. That keep them..rent free. and spending money thrown in. The real disabled should have more money. But the good for nothings, should be made do the worst lowest payed jobs around. Thats all they could do. As they have no skills to do anything else
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07:34 AM on 01/13/2012
Who gets to decide who the "real disabled" are?

Not you, hopefully.
02:27 PM on 01/13/2012
whilst I understand your feelings,what YOU have to understand,is that a lot of disabled show no PHYSICAL problems,breathing difficulties,arthritis,all sorts of problems,TO be classed as disabled & receive disabled benefit you DO have to have a medical (well at least I did),the BIG problem in very recent years re medical examinations is that most are carried out by DWP doctors who have been indoctorinated to the benefit fraud culture hatred,also it seem that a lot of decisions are NOW controled by PEN PUSHING civil servants ( with no medical training)but have the power to over throw even a doctors / specialist diagnosis so even genuine claimants are being told they are fit for work,so they are NOT playing on a level field,which rather than being a medical decision is one of a personal nature by pen pushers,also it "SEEMS" that it is the area that these medicals are conducted in are also a controling factor similar to the NHS postal code lottery,as some areas have a higher rate of allowance / pass than others so basically "IF your face fits" so yes I agree in principle some that DO NOT deserve "GET" WHILST those that "DO deserve DO NOT"get IT all boils down to the staff at the DWP.
06:45 AM on 02/15/2012
esso man
I found your comments interesting. May I point out You have good command of a keyboard, able to string sentences together and these are skills useable in the workforce. Please don't deprive the nation of your employment skills and contributing to the tax system.
06:48 PM on 01/12/2012
Agree! Thanks to Yvette Cooper, the ‘benefits system‘, in the UK, is out of control.
03:31 PM on 01/13/2012
It is times like this that make the absence most strongly felt of Lord Ashley, John Smith, Donald Dewar, Tony Benn, ... the lack of such grace-filled and knowledgeable voices leaves such important issues to the nazi-like-generated sturm-und-drang-angst generated destructive envies which cause grave harm ... a perosn with no disability and the ability to work and a good job needs to THANK GOD ...
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06:15 PM on 01/12/2012
another case of rob the poor to give to the rich.......I wonder sometimes why some of our MP s are not shot...we are to much of a liberal country to these leeches
04:46 PM on 01/12/2012
nothing in most papers about lord freud trying to pass amendments on the sly ,while most of the house of lords had left,the man is a disgrace.
04:15 PM on 01/12/2012
Some disabled people can work and some can't, so those that can should be available to look for work. Over the years I've worked with many disabled people who were able to live a "normal" life without needing and indeed wanting benefits. Those who genuinely can't do any work at all should get more help.
04:07 PM on 01/12/2012
As a woman in my late 50's who is disabled and had to give up work because of my disability I am already being penalised by this government as they have changed the criteria for incapacity and said I am now fit to work - thereby cutting my benefit whilst I am appealing against the decision (guilty till proved innocent!!!) despite the DWP stating two years ago that I was unliely to work before pension age (then 65 not 671/2!!!). I have TRIED to work in the past without success and now it seems even the meagre private pension I receive (£400 a month)on which I pay tax - will be taken into account when deciding if I am to get benefit!!! I hate this government and all that it stands for - they are determined to make the weak and vunerable suffer whilst the rich just get richer - I'd like to see David Cameron manage on the pittance I get - one can only survive on the money not have a life!!!
02:49 PM on 01/13/2012
re your £400.00 per month pension,I also had a small pension but was advised by a DWP manager that it "COULD" be better to take it as a lump sum "as long as it did NOT take my meager savings over £10,000,as a weekly / monthly pension incures tax & effects the benefit allowance you can claim, The lump sum APPARENTLY DOES NOT" I assume it depends on the amount payable.but please check IT MIGHT JUST BE OF HELP to you
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03:55 PM on 01/12/2012
Making life even harder for the disabled is shameful. The money likely to be saved is piffling compared with the money to be wasted on silly high speed rail links, new build nuclear power stations (like to cause a lot of disabilities for many years to come), building and maintaining nuclear weapon systems and uncollected tax revenues from Tory buddies in the dishonest world of high finance. The government has NO mandate and its behaviour is worthy of any third world regime run by egomaniacs who use their power to self-aggrandise on a massive scale.
03:53 PM on 01/12/2012
Best idea yet! The only way to make this work is to begin when people are young enough to join the forces. The Forces have the best Medical Examinations so may be this would be a good time to bring back National service. The Forces teach people trades and its high time our youngsters learned trades rather than dumping them on the scrap heap.
04:36 PM on 01/12/2012
Hi, I think you got the wrong end of the stick here . Are you seriously sugesting that we should put disabled young people into the military services.?
If so, you should go far in Tory party.Thank God I live in Scotland, where Nicola Sturgeon SNP, has already said that this Tory governments attack on the welfare of the most vulnerable here, will not be implemented, we have the power of veto, and I would only advise Wales and Ireland to do the same.
The SNP in Scotland , have a massive majoity and mandate of the people . The 2 C`s have not, and only obtained power, by the back door, which we cannnot wait to hear click shut, as they leave.
And I am old enough to remember Thatcher, and what happens in England when a Tory government oppresses the people. I think the riots we saw this year will reapppear, only worse.
The bigest pity in all this , is that the banking /finance industy in London, will be laughing, as they count their latest bonuses , courtesy of the UK taxpayer, and friends in low places.
The 2 C`s might have overstepped the line of British decency, but they will not be allowed to overstep the line of Scottish decency.!
04:52 PM on 01/12/2012
Yes I am if they are fit to work in offices etc. I think that you have got the wrong end of the stick. Better screening and better futures for our children. I served for Queen and Country and my son is serving in Afghanistan and his cousins are serving too. National Service is the best answer once we have a Government that doesn't mess in WORLD WARS and WORLD ISSUES!
06:09 PM on 01/13/2012
as a retired ex military man there is no way that I would want the vast majority of the young people backing me up during any form of action,whilst "some seem only to want to fight,put them under fire & you would be lucky if you actually SAW their rear ends disappearing into the distance, let alone fight alongside,whilst Im not saying ALL of them, the ones that are at the moment in the forces have volenteered to serve "NOT MADE TO" THAT makes a huge difference & as most people know if you are given NO OPTION to do something which you do NOT want to do, nothing will make you give 100% to it,& that is what is required as each man relys on his comrade to cover his back.
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just for the halibut!
03:03 PM on 01/12/2012
Compassion and Republican is an oxymoron, and always has and will be.
03:12 PM on 01/12/2012
Republican?.....Might that comment be in the wrong room? :-)
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04:19 PM on 01/12/2012
i understood...
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05:05 PM on 01/12/2012
Republicanism is just Americas rebranding for their own steak of over the top convservatives. ;)
02:17 PM on 01/12/2012
The issues of benefit payments to the disabled is [quite clearly] a total mine-field. The nature of the disability; its projected duration; the location of the individual; the assessment of the individual's needs and a raft of other factors makes me worry that the "one size fits all" approach that the Government seem to have is going to be less than successful, and potentially deeply flawed.
02:40 PM on 01/12/2012
Hi, Lets not throw the baby out with the water.I think the way this gov. has treated the disabled is scandelous, but you have to remember that the taxpayer pays all the benifits and pensions each year. Would you say Cameron or anyone with an income above £50,K private pension should receive the state Pension. Well benifits are the same they are for the needy.A safety net. That should apply to our poorest not a RIGHT for everyone.
02:51 PM on 01/12/2012
Although in many cases it is indeed the taxpayer who bears the burden of benefits for the disabled (as much as for the unemployed or whoever) in the case of benefits that are not means-tested, such as DLA, this is not the case, and the recipients are taxed on whatever income they may have like anyone else.
03:42 PM on 01/12/2012
The State Pension you talk about is NOT a 'Benefit' as such, It has always been, since it's inception not as a 'help for the needy' but a Universal State Pension for ALL. With ALL contributing towards it, with higher contributions from the higher paid. ie. Graduated Pension payments, SERPS (which was an excellent scheme !). Etc., in these days of the 'Failing,Fraudulant' private pensions industry the State pension is a Universal necessity.
04:33 PM on 01/12/2012
As someone who receives ESA benefit ( The princely sum of £98 per week) I would like to point out that during the 40 years previous to my claim I was never unemployed, had only three holidays, and paid this thing called National insurance. The clues in the word "Insurance".

Now if this and previous Governments chose to squander MY insurance money on things like duck houses, having their moats cleaned, and toilet seats? That's not my fault. And if you also take into account the fact that I'm now 58, and It's very unlikely I'll reach pension age, I think I might be entitled to some help.

It's not charity, It's what I paid in all my life for.
02:12 PM on 01/12/2012
Perhaps he would be in favour of death camps for the sick. facism the modern face of the UK.
02:16 PM on 01/12/2012
exactly what i was going to say, is this government using the "gestapo users manual" to deal with our sick and elderly.
05:00 PM on 01/12/2012
Pleae do not let the 2 C`s hear you say that. It may become a major part of their next election manifesto! If they last that long.
I say this with my tongue firmly in my cheek , because I am disabled.
I think if they put me before more doctors , I think that the only job that I would be found capable of doing, was already taken by mentaly disabled people. The 2 C`s.!