Scottish Independence - Could Ex-Pats Living In England Get A Vote?

Scotland Referendum Scots Living In England Vote

First Posted: 18/01/2012 06:57 Updated: 18/01/2012 07:41   PA

Demands to give Scots living outside Scotland a vote in the independence referendum will be debated by MSPs on Wednesday.

Scottish Labour MSP Elaine Murray will lead a members debate calling on the Scottish Parliament to back the view that Scots living outside Scotland should be able to register to vote in the independence referendum on the same basis as expatriate UK citizens can vote in UK elections.

Under the Scottish Government's current referendum proposals, Scots working elsewhere will not be eligible to vote on Scotland's constitutional future.

However, anyone eligible to be on the electoral register in Scotland will be entitled to vote.

The Dumfriesshire MSP has also congratulated James Wallace, a Dumfries man who will be excluded from the vote when he moves to London for work next month, for his online campaign Let Wallace Vote to bring the issue to public attention.

Speaking ahead of her members debate, Ms Murray said: "Scots working outwith Scotland at the time of UK general elections are allowed to vote, so why should they be banned from voting in one of the most important decisions in Scotland in over 300 years?

"It seems massively unfair. The fact is, with youth unemployment in Scotland rising, more young Scots are being forced to look outwith Scotland for jobs.

"It seems hugely unfair that they should be stopped from having a say in Scotland's future.

"I hope MSPs from all parties come together to support the Let Wallace Vote campaign."

Members' Business is a debate on a motion proposed by an MSP who is not a cabinet secretary or minister.

The topic discussed generally relates to a particular region, marks a specific event or highlights an issue of interest to the MSP that might not otherwise receive attention. It concludes without any vote being taken.

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01:03 PM on 01/25/2012
we english need rid of the maccakeaneatyours..they are an intollerable burden on us(welsh and n.irish aswell),they'll never vote for independence.haven't got the bottle,and love english money too much.me i like scots,welsh and the irish as an enemy.so when they do us harm we retaliaterather an enemy i can see than a friend i cant trust.
05:38 PM on 01/21/2012
In modern times can you imagine having the two top football teams in your country having separate religions and hating each other with a passion? Can you imagine having a major city like Glasgow having a life expectancy of 71? (In London it is 85) These two facts alone tell us that the Scottish are a backward race and the English will be well shot of them.
10:15 PM on 01/20/2012
Of course, any scots person that is living in GB after scotland left the union ,would be entitiled to the vote,it would be the same for any imigrant that settles here!
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Gilbert McLardy
09:50 AM on 01/21/2012
There won’t be a GB when Scotland pulls out; for Wales and Ulster will follow on within a few years and maybe even Cornwall, But as I wrote last night there are thousands of English People living in Scotland the biggest majority are really nice people and they are entitled to vote for or against. After all they live work in Scotland thus helping support their local communities. This isn’t about hate it’s about a nation who in 1707 did not want the Union, only some of the Lords for handful of silver and not all of them, not the people
12:35 PM on 01/21/2012
Thats vertually what I said onlythe other way round.And as as for Cornwall, Wales & Ulster your talking with your rear end!
05:44 PM on 01/21/2012
What about the Shetlanders pulling out of Scotland and either being indendent themselves, staying with the English or joining Norway.
10:08 PM on 01/20/2012
Of course they would be allowed the vote,it's the same rules for any imigrant that settles in G.B
07:10 PM on 01/19/2012
ok serious question here.... If you get Independence can someone smuggle me some clootie dumpling and black pudding across the border... please !!!
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Gilbert McLardy
10:42 PM on 01/21/2012
No need mate; you and all people as usual would be made welcome, apart from some of the clowns writing on the web page, some of the very best Black and White pudding comes from Stornaway.
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laterthanyouthink
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03:38 PM on 01/19/2012
Just a reminder that to those of us in the colonies this seems silly.

But then, were are well ancestor-ed up on both sides of the border by now, my family having departed the Isles about 300 years ago.

However, when the SHTF I'll go with kilt and biodag before stiff upper lip - even after 300 years.

My Grey and Sheffield blood will just have to stand back because the Scott is taking charge.

Where's my blue paint?
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Norman Mitchison
12:35 PM on 01/19/2012
If they want to vote for independance let them do it in Scotland as it will cost the English a lot of money to allow one here.
11:09 AM on 01/19/2012
after following this debate for some days it just shows why peace in the world is a none starter and how many idiots have got use of wide comunication to air their simple veiws. mostly about howmuch they hate the scots ,english, welsh or irish.

It must be the right of the scots to determin their independance or not, and if people have postal votes they they are in. so whats the problem

as said prviouse yorkshire born living in wales scotland for holls love the uk .What is wrong at the moment and for years is the grabers and the people in power not living on the same planet as joe
bloggs so stop slaging each other off and turn the energy into the banks goverments and
law firms who are all raking in the goodies
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laterthanyouthink
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03:28 PM on 01/19/2012
Exactly.
10:55 AM on 01/19/2012
I have always found it amusing that many Scots refer to themselves as ex-pat. If Scotland is so wonderful, as they constantly affirm, why have they felt the need to go South? Presumably for job opportunities and experience which Scotland cannot provide. That, and our more equable climate. We have many a Scots friend who insists that it rarely rains in Scotland; and, no, it's not just 'twinkle-in-the-eye' humour. It is a peculiar mind-set which will not admit to anything negative about Scotland despite most of them suffering from trench foot! Our good Scottish friends from Inverness are fleeing South to stay with us over Eastertide in order to experience some blue sky and Spring weather. The English welcome will be genuine and warm, and we hope that we can oblige with the rest! We also have a Scottish daughter-in-law who ranks high in medicine. She has had four children in the South (all on full leave and salary from English hospitals) and now has come South to have her fifth - again on a year's maternity leave, but from her Scottish hospital post on full salary! No wonder the NHS is in trouble with 'nationalists' like this 'using' the system! No, we do not approve, and she knows it! I will not insult the Scots by generalising, but if our daughter-in-law is an example of Scottish fair play then the sooner Union ties are cut the better for England, say I.
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Gilbert McLardy
01:28 AM on 01/21/2012
How many English do you think cross the border to live in Scotland, you cannot go anywhere in Scotland without hearing English voices, they are welcome so long as they vote SNP. There are English people in the Party; this isn't all about the Scots it's about everyone living in Scotland and all these people getting to have their say on how Scotland is governed.
10:30 PM on 10/26/2012
More than 60% of the population of the Isle of Arran are from England.
They run all the Tearooms and Potteries / Ceramics businesses.
Southern law girl
Researching my viewpoint....
10:04 AM on 01/19/2012
Goes hand in hand with MP's from Scotland being able to vote in a Parliament on issues which only affects England - some MP's reside in Scotland, and some ex pats live in England, so are able to vote in their Referendum - balanced?
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Chiefy17242011
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05:17 PM on 01/19/2012
You won't find much disagreement there, lass. Most of us are disgusted in the way in which MPs that represent Scottish Consitituencies vote on matter that do not affect their constituents - for example, Tuition Fees brough in by the last Labour Government only passed by having 41 Scottish Labour MPs vote through something that did not affect their people - who have Free Teritiary Education as that is what the Scottish Government decided on.

So, the easiest way to stop this democratic imbalance is not to have Scottish MPs. An Independent Scotland will not be sending any MPs to Westminster.

"Ex-Pats" can/will only vote if they are on the Electoral Roll in a Scottish Constituency. This whole thing about anybody with Scottish Connections voting is a desparate smokescreen flung up by a desparate "Scottish" Labour Party to camoflauge the fact that they are 20 years behind the debate.
Southern law girl
Researching my viewpoint....
05:57 PM on 01/19/2012
Yes, I see what you mean. I certainly agree about the smokescreen. The democratic imbalance needs to be addressed for sure, if only for the sake of fairness.
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Gilbert McLardy
01:34 AM on 01/21/2012
Get a grip girl; your English MP's voted on Scottish issues for over 300 years and since there are double the amount of MP's in England, we simply had to do as we were told, "NOLONGER"
Southern law girl
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09:50 AM on 01/21/2012
I wish yoiu all the best in the world!
08:09 AM on 01/19/2012
The same unionist party that pushed through restrictions banning ex pats from NHS treatment after they had been out of country for more than 3 months, now want's these ex pats to vote in Scotland's referendum after being out of the country for years.........it beggars belief
09:33 AM on 01/19/2012
Are they less Scots than you by birth? I leave outside Italy but is is my right to vote on whatever the issue is that is called civilised democracy, perhaps you need to go back to school and learn about civic education, you and many others like you. Because they have seen the wider world and are not so insular in their views you think they would be a therat to your mistaken ambitions.
Reflect on the above and threat your countrymen with respect wherever they live.
07:03 AM on 01/19/2012
The people of Scotland have spoken at the last election , let them speak again. It is democracy.

The colour of UK is made from various dies, It will be difficult to separate but it will have to be done if that is what the people want.

There is a great strength in the colour of the UK that will be difficult to match by any of its consituent dye..
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philhellene
Far Left and Proud of It!
01:02 AM on 01/19/2012
Scots living outside Scotland - does not say much for their loyalty.

A descendant of the family Macbheath of Islay.
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Chiefy17242011
Cyber-Nat, Cyber-Democrat
08:38 AM on 01/19/2012
Unfortunately, many of us had to "go South" to start, develop or expand our careers. 10 Years in England ensured that the minute that I was able to, I came home. The first thing I did when I came home was join the Scottish National Party. When I went down I was a Tory, Bluest of the Blue. 10 years amongst the arrogance and the ignorance cured that. 10 years working with Kids who should never have been near Higher Education, forced there by there being no jobs by a Tory Government determined to get them off the dole queues. 10 years of being called "Jock" by even educated people. Hell mend them. Scotland is Moving forward !
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minimemo
Can I be your friend...if they let me out...
11:20 AM on 01/19/2012
hahahahaha Chiefy!!!! You are priceless. To allow you to get on in life you had to leave the wonderful Scotland and come to England!!! Hypocrite and leech!!
05:45 AM on 01/20/2012
Its hypocritical Scots like you who give us a bad name. You had to to "go South" to start, develop & expand your career. 10 years after using the South (the place that gave you opportunities) you came home & joined the SNP.

The last thing we need in Scotland is hypocrites like you who don't think about anyone but themselves & their own immature & ignorant hate. If we become independent your offspring & mine wont have the opportunities we had. So I wont be voting for independence. I appreciate what the South has done for my life & my families life & the opportunities the Southerners gave me. My life would not be half as good if those opportunities had not come my way,

Something tells me you are a liar. I had to go down South for several month a year for many years regarding work (over 20 years) & I was shocked at the lack of arrogance & ignorance down South. Shocked because I was told (when I was growing up) that the southerners were like that by folks who had never been down South. In fact, I soon discovered some of those folks I grew up around were actually the arrogance and ignorance ones. You remind me of them. Your (so called) experience down South hasn't been mine. Your comments are hypocritical & VERY transparent. If Scotland becomes independent, yes, we will be moving on & we will be heading right down the pan!
09:41 AM on 01/19/2012
What a restricted view point, you should be ashamed of posting such an insulting comment.
It is about time you started educating yuorsel in civic liberties and democratic rights.
Your parrochial view indicates that there is much work to be done to ensure that every scottish person leaving outside Scotland and who holds a scottish passport is as much a Scott as YOU.
Of course you would disagree with that because of your entrenched position clouded by localism. Do not bother to answer.
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Gilbert McLardy
01:47 AM on 01/21/2012
If you do not contribute to the Scottish economy; you are not entitled to vote, any thick head would know that.
11:28 PM on 01/18/2012
Sadly you make a good point. I was lucky and traveled all over the UK for work reasons and have experience­d the wonderful (every day) people of this island, so I don't feel I come from an ignorant viewpoint like some of my fellow Scots. Some Scots (in my opinion) do have long memories and they just want to give two fingers up to the South, but what they don't realise is we will really be giving the two fingers up to all our Scottish offspring if we chose independen­ce. Our offspring just wont have the opportunit­ies down South anymore. The English don't see us Scots as foreigners­, but if we go our own way that will change in a matter of years. We Scots, English, Irish and Welsh do tend to pull each others legs (banter), but I personally have never experience­d any REAL hate from the English and My English friends say they have never experience­d any REAL hate from the Scots.
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Gilbert McLardy
10:55 PM on 01/21/2012
It has nothing to do with hate; It’s about equality in Union Act 1707 we were supposed to have equal voting power in the parliament, that was thrown out as soon as some our Lords signed the treaty, they were not supposed to interfere in our “Laws, Education and Religion”; Guess what.
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denspark1560
11:02 PM on 01/18/2012
The more the other parties sound off about us the better the chances of independence. They don't seem to realise this, though. Dangerous to make the Scots feel everyone's against them.

Leave us to make our own decisions, Mr. Cameron.
08:06 AM on 01/19/2012
As in the past the Scots are still proving to be a bunch of cowards. Have the vote now and stand on your own two feet.
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Allyb999
09:41 AM on 01/19/2012
You calling all the Scots who have fought and died for the union cowards, all the men past and present who have been the back bone of the army cowards?

Your comment are deeply offensive and untrue, attitudes like yours are why Scotland wants the referendum to leave the Union. England may be great but unfortunately some of the residents like yourself are not.
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Gilbert McLardy
01:50 AM on 01/21/2012
Come in Mr Cameron.