More Than 370,000 Immigrants On Benefits

Immigration

First Posted: 20/01/2012 06:31 Updated: 20/01/2012 11:10   PA

Benefits are wrongly being paid to more than 5,000 immigrants with no right to claim state help, research carried out by the government suggests.

They are among some 371,000 arrivals to this country on welfare identified by an exercise to match benefit, border control and tax records for the first time.

Employment minister Chris Grayling told the BBC's Today programme that Labour had made a "scandalous omission" by not routinely noting the nationality of benefits claimants.

The government plans to begin doing so when Universal Credit is introduced from 2013.

The data-matching project found 371,000 working-age benefit claimants were non-UK nationals when they first applied for a National Insurance number, 258,000 of them from outside the European Economic Area.

So far, detailed work has been done only on a sample of 9,000 of the latter group - three quarters of whose records were able to be matched. It found 54% were now British citizens and most others had an immigration status that allowed welfare claims.

The statistics indicated that around 2% of all foreign-born benefits claimants did not have the correct immigration status. Around 125 cases are now under investigation.

The rate of illegal claimants is roughly equivalent to the most recently released statistics on fraud and error in the benefits system as a whole, which the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has put at around 2.1%.

While that statistic accounts for the raw amount of illegal benefits paid out and not the number of claimants, it does indicate the fraud rate may not be much higher among immigrants than the general population.

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Grayling said: "We will root out those claimants who can not prove their immigration status and in turn they will be stripped of their benefits. I was shocked to discover that the current system does not record the nationality of benefit claimants and we are urgently taking steps to make sure we know exactly how many non-UK nationals are claiming UK benefits."

Immigration minister Damian Green said: "These findings uncover a worrying issue we have inherited, which is why we've ordered urgent work to pursue claimants suspected of abuse and to withdraw their benefits if they cannot prove they are entitled to claim."

Those found to be abusing the system will also have their details sent to other agencies including local councils to ensure other benefits were also stopped, the Treasury said.

Labour claimed that the government was using "rhetoric" to hide their failures on immigration.

Chris Bryant, shadow immigration minister, said: "Far from strengthening immigration control the government is returning fewer illegal migrants and net migration has continued to increase.

"And at the same time increasing numbers of people born here and abroad are on out-of-work benefits because the government's failure on the economy has pushed unemployment up."

Robert Oxley, campaign manager of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: "These figures reveal that a substantial amount of welfare payments are ending up in the pockets of non-uk nationals.

"With billions at stake the proper controls need to be in place to prevent benefit tourism from swallowing up taxpayers' money. Taxpayers will rightly worry that the rules designed to prevent benefit tourists are steadily being eroded by a meddlesome EU, leaving Britain to pick up a bigger welfare bill than it needs to."

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22:27 on 21/01/2012
’It is important to understand that as more than 5 millions of British people are on benefits‘’.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
11:13 on 22/01/2012
About 6million in fact. That's over 10% of the 'native' population, as opposed to about 6% of immigrants claiming benefits.
12:28 on 22/01/2012
And how many of the 6 million are of ethnic origin
18:24 on 22/01/2012
Its sooooo good to have the power to flag people isn't it Paul????? The Worms that turned on the Liberal Left! I flag you because I can't keep an even temper with you; to be frank you get right up my nose! I just wish there was an ignore facility on HP as you would have been ignored Months ago. I have a life outside HP question is do you???
12:08 on 22/01/2012
yes you are right "BUT" there are 55 million of us! meaning 50 million ARE NOT!!!!
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Paul Wagland
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13:02 on 22/01/2012
Agreed esso man. Of 55million Brits, 6million are on benefits. That's 10.9%.

Of 6million immigrants, 371000 are on benefits. That's 6.2%.

Do you see my point?
14:14 on 21/01/2012
Thieves !
12:11 on 22/01/2012
do I take it by your comment you think every one on benefits are thieves,the sick,disabled,unemployed ?????????????????
14:03 on 21/01/2012
Take a trip to Goole or Selby in Yorkshire to see how many non English there are in small towns, I fear very serious racial unrest within the next five years or so, take note all you namby pamby Liberals it will be too late for rending of cloth and flinging ashes when things start to kick off. Why dont the Huff Post censors publish how many posts they have disallowed on this topic, bet they dare not!!!
12:25 on 22/01/2012
too dammed true,also puff post suppress anything that goes against THIER ideals,there was 9 deleations on just one article a short while ago,its getting to the point its not even worth bothering,also the amount of articles that they report on but close the comment side even before its opened is getting beyond a joke,WHY DON"T THEY just shut up shop completely get rid of "Puff post" & get back to how it used to be "at least it allowed comments"
18:08 on 22/01/2012
ur right about the huffin pish!
20:10 on 22/01/2012
Try and flag a few posts from the Fluffy Left, they start foaming at the mouth they even wriggle like a Worm on a Fish Hook. Its good to get even!
13:40 on 21/01/2012
Immigrants who have paid Income Tax and contributed in National Insurance should be eligible and entitled to claim and receive UK State Benefit as part of the system,without discrimination based on fear or favour.
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Paul Wagland
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16:29 on 21/01/2012
Well said. If they've paid tax, they can claim benefits. Same as anyone else.
12:31 on 22/01/2012
very few of us disagree with that! what pxsses us off is the ones that claim for multiple non existant kids,use multiple different names, do i have to go on !
13:27 on 21/01/2012
Great news forum from the UK on all issues and spheres for all to get insight.
21:53 on 20/01/2012
look within my friends the Eu dictates how we shall live,, who we shall have here and how many times you can go to the toilet in one day. they did not just take over our laws and most of our goverment decisions we voted them in and then every party that has been in power has let them take over the rest. the pathetic goverment, any party in this case, sold off water gas and electicity to the rich now mostly foreign owned instead of sacking the bosses who could not make the millions they are raking in now which should be going to the people in this land

All people on benefits should attend skill courses to cover the jobs which the migrants are supposed to be taking, also school leavers should go into the required aprentiships with subsidies
to the firms,who claim shortage of skilled labour
Hit the fat boys at the banks,The ever growing pen pushers on inflated wages in hospitals and local goverment And last but not least hit the money machine law firms who love all these stupid laws of this micky mouse set up , wemust also look at the mental health act again so people are looked after and not turned out into the streets again saying, find them shoot them cremate them,
sad boy
12:57 on 21/01/2012
If Hitler had had any brains he would just have bought us as his descendants have we have been sold out and we must stop the rot NOW Red xxx
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18:40 on 20/01/2012
High unemployment and an influx of cheap migrant labour are two of the main criteria for keeping wage rises under control, many countrys make full use of this.

You are not lightly to get a better wage deal when there are people lining up to take your job, you will put up with bad or dangerous working conditions even bullying by management, fear of job loss is common place and very easilly exploited.
12:59 on 21/01/2012
Well said DPICT all tory governments love a labour pool and it gives them someone to blame for the ills they inflict on us and labour took the same ruse to heart Red xxx
17:01 on 20/01/2012
The usual White supremacist claptrap disguised as factual news reporting!
15:03 on 22/01/2012
MOST people are just pxssed off with immigrants coming here,claiming benefits MULIPLE times under numerous names,for non existant children,then creating disquiet,demanding we change our culture because it goes against their religion,or their ideals,what ALL immigrants HAVE to realise is "when they come into this country we have our rules & laws"which like it or not have to be followed,just like we would have to in their country" & they CANNOT carry on living their lives like they did in their own country, WE will NOT CHANGE just because they demand us to,People of Britain do not have too much of a problem with immigration as such,ITS the demands they make for US to change to THEIR ways,BUT includes their violent gang culture,the drug supplying, the carrying & more so the USE of the gun & knife,which has trebled in the last 10 years,the amount of murders rapes,assaults has doubled,which are carried out by immigrants,this is PROVEN by law court records & prison records & CANNOT be DENIED no matter who says different,what cannot speak cannot lie !! & is there for ALL to see if they wish,START living BY our laws,FORGET your old laws as they DO NOT APPLY HERE!!! stop your violence & drug supply,stop ripping off our benefits system,start behaving like "CIVILISED people" then & ONLY then will the distrust for the immigrant start to change NO MATTER what the "EU" the government or ANYBODY says or demands they "CANNOT FORCE" the public to change their minds,& the
15:37 on 23/01/2012
Uncivilized White supremacis­t claptrap, poorly-disguised as objective reality!
10:40 on 05/07/2012
You live in a fantasy world - that must be hell.
16:45 on 20/01/2012
While our population has increased by 10 miilion in the last 10 years Romainias population has dropped by 3 million in the last three years.
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Paul Wagland
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16:26 on 21/01/2012
If you send home 6million immigrants, presumably you'll accept the return of 7million Brits living abroad?
16:38 on 21/01/2012
Yes if they were a burden on their host country but I very much doubt any are.
19:11 on 21/01/2012
I really hope so. We will then have people voting for the Right Parties!!!
karen1963yorks
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16:00 on 20/01/2012
For years the "well educated " people on here have been telling me that none British people dont get benefits. Its a BNP lie etc. Just like they said they dont get council housing, there is no such thing as honour killing etc. I am just sick of the lies.
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Paul Wagland
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16:41 on 20/01/2012
Our benefits system is hugely complex, but I believe most immigrants are not automatically entitled to benefits until they have worked here for a year.

They pay tax, then they can claim benefits. Same as the rest of us.
19:27 on 20/01/2012
Exactly which planet are you on? There are thousands of immigrants in this country who by various means manage to swindle the honest tax payers out of millions per year. They have done no work whatsoever: or is this latest scandal just a load of lies? what about the various scams which have been going on for years even under the Labour government
07:54 on 21/01/2012
Paul, give it a rest. You are making yourself look foolish. The truth is out and these figures show a fraction of the real figure as so many are hidden in Think Tanks and other dream schemes.
13:12 on 21/01/2012
The truth is out now and there is no defence for anyone to call the native population racists because we say enough is enough we want our country and culture back keep sending emails to your MP and anyone you can think of and if they call you racist where it as a badge of honour and I was pro immigration now I am a TRUTHIST regardless of collour or creed Red xxx
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Paul Wagland
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16:31 on 21/01/2012
As a 'truthist' you'll accept that these figures show that immigrants are less likely to claim benefits than native Brits.
14:36 on 20/01/2012
Very few of them arrive here and claim benefits only 370000 out of about 6million about 6.1% the other 93.9% move here for employment. A good proportion of the 370000 claiming benefits will be doing so in the form of working tax credits.
Quite a few move here for opportunities that have opened up for them, created by successive governments over the last 40 odd years. While the Poles and alike have been investing in their youths education putting the onus on maths, languages and the sciences leading to further higher education in engineering, science degrees in physics, chemistry and biology and so forth. Our political leaders dumbed down education for the schools and university offering a wide selection of soft subjects why? Political gain to try and prove that their policy for education is working, record passes rates with record numbers going on to university
Now even the foreign migrants, especially from Eastern European, who come for menial positions, have a good grasp of maths, two languages maybe not fluent but more than most of our youth have of German of French.
Our politicians have experimented with our youth for 40 years for their own boasting and are now reaping what they have sown. It’s taken 40 years to create what we have now and it will take investment and a generation to correct.
It’s a long term and an initial investment with no immediate return. Our short sighted politicians and businessmen don’t do long-term.
15:52 on 20/01/2012
Six million immigrants in the UK,,that is so disturbing as many of them work in the dark economy ran by labour gangs that take little notice of UK laws.
Six million is the amount that is known how many hundreds of thousands of others are here illegally and if all this six million have jobs and do not need benefit well surely those jobs should be preserved for the native British community before immigrants.
The English are to lazy to do these lower paid jobs, i hear this all the time but how comes when a full time lower wage job appears on the market hundreds apply.
The fact is the British need full time jobs as we intend to stay in Britain, the majority of immigrant labour has no intention in staying in Britain and the vast majority send there wages back to there native country thus leaching British money to other lands.
The vast majority of Eastern European workers in Britain have no intention on settling in the UK and are milking us for every penny they can get,,,,most do not earn enough to pay taxes and any savings they transfer directly back to there mother land.
Give the jobs to us Brits first,,,,,Immigrants should be a second choice not the first !
16:47 on 20/01/2012
They shouldn't be any choice as they shouldn't be here in the first place!!!
21:24 on 20/01/2012
Because of the educational and social policies of governments over the last 40 years we have many gaps in engineering that cannot be filled in the UK. Thatcher destroyed the manufacturing base in this country Blair did nothing to correct it and with that went years of accumulated knowledge and training for the future. Youngsters could not get the skilled in depth training their father’s could get and many of those fathers left the trade as well as engineering was a dying trade while in Europe they were setting up technical collages and training their populations with our aid money.
My post was not for one moment saying that economic migration is a good thing what I was saying was that through dabbling in education changing the goal posts to achieve more passes we neglected the basics our engineering employees need. Get hold of 100 16 year olds and ask them to demonstrate trigonometry and it’s not their fault they cannot
As you say some work in the dark economy, that’s up to our law makers and enforcers to deal with, but there seems to be some reluctance to do so. It like an agreed plan for globalization we will supply the banker and service industries you supply the labour
I work with a mix of British and Eastern European engineers and there is no difference between them all are committed and work the hours so I never mentioned the British workman was lazy nor do I think it.
karen1963yorks
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16:03 on 20/01/2012
Our youth may have a poor grasp of French and German but I dont care. I care about the 3 million or so unemployed British people who should be working.
Please dont reply by saying British people are lazy. That is an offensive lie.
16:43 on 20/01/2012
With you all the way on this. Why do we need to speak several languages if we have no intention tof going to another country to live or work. English is universally known and spoken. I speak French have 9 o levels and City and Guilds certificates and am on Job seekers allowance and just had my house reposessed. I've applied for hundreds of jobs and got none.
My next door neighbour who is from Rom***ia calls us stupid to our faces. He has just brought his 'partner' over with 'his' child. Child is 2 and he hasn't been back home for 5 years. It needed medical attention and it has all been provided by the NHS. He gets housing benefit, tax credits and child allowance. sends all his money home where here rents out a 6 bed house and a two bed flat.
20:22 on 20/01/2012
Karen the point I make is that our youth as been let down by the leaders of this country. I work in engineering and while we killing of the apprenticeship the Poles and the likes were setting them up. British people are not lazy they have been let down by politicians and business leaders in pursuit of political and financial gain.
14:36 on 20/01/2012
Wisbech Cambridgeshire population just over 20,000 immigrant population on local council figures 7,000 unemployment amongst white youth at all time high levels and increasing racial tensions between immigrants and the native population.
One small Cambridgeshire market town reflects how England is being over run by the influx of legal and illegal immigrants working mostly in the agricultural industry taking lower pay jobs away from the native British population by using agency labour to undercut minimum wage structures and health and safety rules.
It is offensive when you walk down a road in a small English town and all you hear are foreign languages and glares of hatred from the gangs of Eastern European youths that hang arround on every street corner.
I travel all over Britain in my work and have noticed in particular the Eastern County's of England having changed so much over the past ten years and it is very disturbing how these numbers of immigrants have ballooned completely over running the native population in many neighbourhood's of towns such as Wisbech.
We must start to sort this problem out and stop being scared of the racist card that many like to play, being a Nationalist is not being a racist.
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15:54 on 20/01/2012
"being a Nationalis­t is not being a racist. "
Can I quote that back to you on other threads where you have implied the opposite?
18:20 on 20/01/2012
WLQ ok so I am going to become a fan of yours, not because I like you (i dont know you) not because your SNP( I despise them) but purely because you have an answer for everything and well yes we have our disagreements normally when you call me an idiot but I cant help but find you somewhat entertaining (no I am not taking the p**s either I am being serious) :)
11:58 on 21/01/2012
west lothian questioner, you are a man of my own heart! You love your country with a Passion this does in no way make you a racist. You are a REALIST just like Millions More of us are. People are now seeing the truth and they in turn are becoming REALISTS too.
18:09 on 20/01/2012
Here here!!! I go to Wisbech for my shopping etc and all I hear are foriegn languages, including in the tiny village that I live in, I have been pushed, kicked and shouted at by them for no reason, including being followed home by a group of them when I finished work one night. There are very few jobs left in the East of England now my own neices and nephews cannot get a job as they are all going to the Eastern Europeans, not to mention the fact that as mentioned above I live in a very tiny village which now has TWO eastern european shops, and a THIRD opening soon. Pick up our local paper and 95% of the local crimes are all from them not from the youths as people like to blame.
20:46 on 22/01/2012
Peterborough has over 130 Languages Spoken, how the heck can the local Indigenous people cope?? Its a disgrace we have been invaded under EU and Blair Rule!!!
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14:22 on 20/01/2012
Spain won't pay a penny in benefits to immigrants! And if you are Spanish, they only pay benefits for 2 years, you have that long to get another job or be skint!
14:20 on 20/01/2012
I'm surprised at this government having only just discovered that nationalit­y was not included in benefit claims. Such informatio­n would have been available when both present 'parties' were in opposition­. All they had to do was simply obtain a benefit claim form from any benefit office or download one from the internet.

Blair/Brow­n/Prescott had a fast tracking system for immigrants­. You may recall the issue of immagrants being 'fast tracked through the system about 2007/8 which caused some outrage. Immigrants were (probably still are) raced to the top of housing waiting lists.
karen1963yorks
My micro bio was empty. Good.
16:07 on 20/01/2012
Immigrants were (probably still are) raced to the top of housing waiting lists
When this was pointed out Labour claimed it was a BNP?Sun lie.
When it was proved to be true they pulled the race card.
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Paul Wagland
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16:44 on 20/01/2012
Why don't you back that up with some facts? Find some statistics or a web link that proves you right? Just spouting your opinion isn't good enough.