Boris Island: Nick Clegg 'Unpersuaded' By Plans Because Gatwick Isn't Full

Boris Island Nick Clegg

First Posted: 22/01/2012 10:35 Updated: 22/01/2012 11:18

Nick Clegg says he's "unpersuaded" of the need to build the "Boris Island" airport in the Thames Estuary, confirming that the issue could be a source of tension in the coalition.

Speaking on the Andrew Marr show on BBC One, Clegg said: "I'm totally un-persuaded by the evidence and think we should take a common-sense, hard-headed look at the facts. I don't think we should as a country decide to concrete over vast swathes of the Thames Estuary on a whim.”

Clegg said he would be happy to look at the results of a wide-ranging consultation on UK aviation, due to begin in March, but sounded highly sceptical about the mooted Thames plan.

"As it happens if you look at the facts, we have four big airports around London, three of which aren't even being used to capacity yet. Call me old-fashioned but it seems like you should first look at things like that."

The DPM was referring to Stansted, Luton and Gatwick airports, which have spare capacity. Heathrow regularly runs at near-capacity and is also subject to fog problems and noise restrictions due to its proximity to central London.

The Liberal Democrats went into the 2010 general election opposing any new airports in the south-east of England, and there is no provision within the coalition agreement to build one.

Earlier this week reports appeared suggesting David Cameron and George Osborne had come round to the idea of building a major airport somewhere east of London, a plan dubbed "Boris Island" because the Mayor of London has been a long-time proponent of constructing one in the middle of the Thames Estuary.

Since then there have been a series of contradictory reports. Some believe the Tories will attempt to re-negotiate the coalition agreement in order to include the new airport. But The Guardian says that Boris Johnson leaked the original story of the PM being supportive of the airport, and that doing this has in effect scuppered the plan.

In addition to Liberal Democrat opposition, the government would also have to deal with gripes from many Tory MPs in the region, who can't see the benefits of a new airport.

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Nick Clegg says he's "unpersuaded" of the need to build the "Boris Island" airport in the Thames Estuary, confirming that the issue could be a source of tension in the coalition. Speaking on the A...
Nick Clegg says he's "unpersuaded" of the need to build the "Boris Island" airport in the Thames Estuary, confirming that the issue could be a source of tension in the coalition. Speaking on the A...
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01:08 AM on 01/23/2012
England needs another airport if it wants to remain one of the business hubs of the world. The Country which so many of us are proud to live and who reap the benefits of our economic past seem to forget that if Britain had not been a great mercantile nation and stayed ahead of the pack none of these things would now exist. I suggest that those who now bemoan the damage donre to ozone layer look to the way they live, the technology they use and the benefits reaped through modernity. Bugger the suburban nimby types, bugger those who buy a house and think the view comes with the mortgage, we need jobs, we need business and we need to get a grip on reality.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:13 AM on 01/23/2012
Gatwick isn't full? Neither's Stansted. And you can get to Stansted from somewhere other than Brighton.
katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
10:19 PM on 01/22/2012
So Clegg wants to take a common sense, and hard headed look at the facts does he? there is an oxymoron if ever there was one. The mere fact that Clegg is against it probably makes it a cracking good idea. As for causing problems in the coalition, that's the best news I've heard in a while.
08:52 PM on 01/22/2012
Why not build it in the Midlands. It would cost half as much and the new high speed train could get you back to London faster than the tube from LHR. Which is not much under the hour. It would create employment where it is most needed and go someway to redress this ridiculous idea that everything has to centre around London.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:16 AM on 01/23/2012
A UK hub need not be in London, as long as it could be reached quickly from London. However, airports at sea are less impactful.

A HS2 route that went through Heathrow would be a viable plan too, especially since Heathrow's spent the last decade getting itself together. Build the third runway at heathrow, and you've a match - together with all the heathrow staff not having to move across london, or to the midlands.
10:15 AM on 01/23/2012
I take your point of view. But i thinking more along the lines of moving away from this obsession with every thing based around London. I don't think it would involve people en mass moving as this is predicted to accommodate future increases in air travel. therfore creating new jobs. Manchester and Birmingham are under represented . Have the scope and capacity, would create much needed industries. Travelling to many destinations from UK involves flying from London airports. Connecting flights from other part of the country are more impactful , I think, than the cost of a decent airport.
08:35 PM on 01/22/2012
Mr Clegg, rather than listen to your rather high handed, curt dismissal of the idea, I would like to know where you think Britain will be over the next 5, 10, 15 years and your plan to deliver, with or without Boris Island.
cantabria
my default position is wrong
08:16 AM on 01/23/2012
Mr Clegg's wondering where he personally is going to be in the next 5 years. I doubt he's that bothered about Boris' Island or anything else, only about how it affects his irrelevent career.
08:05 PM on 01/22/2012
Should be very easy to build. Just use some of that scottish stolen oil revenue. You know the stuff thats stopped westminster from bankrupting us since the 70,s Go for it mr boris
07:38 PM on 01/22/2012
East London is mentioned, there'll be a white elephant available in a couple of years, it's called the Olympic games building site at present.
cantabria
my default position is wrong
08:17 AM on 01/23/2012
The could use all that as hard core for the island.
06:53 PM on 01/22/2012
The words Clegg and unconvinced seem to go naturally together. Surely, the biggest use of the word unconvinced is when folk are asked if he is a good deputy PM.
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DaveJohnWard
06:26 PM on 01/22/2012
Don't forget London Southend. That makes 5 airports! Presumably London Calais is also a goer as it's easy to get to if they just stopped the Eurostar there
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:18 AM on 01/23/2012
London CDG and London AMS are often more palatable options than London LHR.

Changing to Europe from the world? - MUC is the weapon of choice, with FRA being quite acceptable.
05:55 PM on 01/22/2012
If Mr Clegg the Spineless is backing the project, it's as good as dead.
04:54 PM on 01/22/2012
All that Muppet is concerned about is himself and his future job as a well paid, well expensed failed MP in that corrupt bunch of Europes wasters in Brussels. Anything this fool is unconvinced by is most likey a good idea!
04:15 PM on 01/22/2012
As our beloved HMG shoots itself in the foot by stripping our defences, perhaps they should consider selling off some RAF airfields, the RAF are going to have no aircraft soon so best to sell off the Airfields along with our school playgrounds.
05:40 PM on 01/22/2012
I have to agree.Just down the M4 from Heathrow is/was RAF Lyneham. This was THE largest airfield in the RAF, boasting 2 runways and FULL facilities. It has all the infrastyructure required to create a new airport including control tower, full bad weather landing aids, hangars and plenty of buildings that can be very easily converted into terminals. It also boasts hundreds of houses that could house the staff for this airport and at Wiltshire prices, not London. It is only minutes from the M4 and minutes from Swindon railway station. Building another airport or expanding an airport in the London area is another "city" idea. They should publish the count of passengers flying in/out of LHR, STN & LGW that actually live in the South East. Most of the UK based passengers are from elsewhere in the UK but need to go there to catch the plane. If it left/arrived somewhere else that would also help the busy roads, rail and air networks feeding into the city. The planners are all blinkered with one thing on their minds, how to make money, not how to solve a problem.
katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
10:26 PM on 01/22/2012
Obviously the perfect answer to the problem GCOO7, and that on it's own is enough to scupper it. I'm not sure if Clegg is actually looking to identify and solve roblems, as get on the lens end of a TV camera. I suspect the TV cameras win by a mile and the issues are a very poor second.
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
09:27 AM on 01/23/2012
Problem with Lyneham is that nobody wants to fly there... and is 80 miles from the capital 'just down the M4' too far? have you ever tried to get in/out of London using the M4?

I agree we really need a cohesive, comprehensive plan for aviation [wouldn't that be a novelty?], but if we start by moving the not inconsiderable volume of holiday traffic to where the holidaymakers actually come from, that would (a) help them use local services and (b) release valuable slots in the SE from where the (much more important) business community prefer to fly to and from.
After all, like it or not, the majority of income is generated in and around the SE these days, so it makes sense to use SE airports more efficiently and expand as necessary.
07:44 PM on 01/22/2012
I have to agree with you. There is an ideal location just along the M4 from London. RAF Lyneham has just been vacated by the RAF, they have moved to Brize Norton. Lyneham has 2 runways, the main one being long enough for any modern jet aircraft. I am unsure about the other. All the infrastructure is available, control tower, landing aids, hangars etc etc. This was THE main station in the RAF. It also boasts hundreds of houses that were the married quarters, no need to worry about where the staff can live. These
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Norman Mitchison
03:05 PM on 01/22/2012
Nick Clegg is unconvinced about everything except his own self iinflated importance.
02:38 PM on 01/22/2012
In the absence of a completely new airport then expansion of Manston seems to be the best option although it can hardly be called a "London" airport ! as it's 78 miles from Heathrow. Expanding Gatwick with a second runway is a nonstarter as is the same for Stansted. Expansion of both of them would cause massive local disruption.
Construction of an island airport in the estuary does make a degree of sense. The prevailing winds would mean approaches being made from the east over the sea most of the time so the NIMBYS can't shout about noise. Most aircraft these days can land in a moderate fog level and most fog tends to occur close to coastline and spread inland rather than out to an offshore airport.
Whatever happens, the southeast desperately needs more runways. The NIMBY's need to realise that air travel isn't just about people going on holiday, it's the major commercial link for the country. You can only punch a finite amount of commerce through a hole in the ground !
03:17 PM on 01/22/2012
Such a well thought out factual comment Red xxx
03:40 PM on 01/22/2012
Quote: "Most aircraft these days can land in a moderate fog level"

Landing is not the problem. The problem with fog and airports is manoeuvring on the ground where everything slows down due to the lack of vision; so capacity is reduced drastically.
08:23 PM on 01/22/2012
Two problems with Boris Island the potential birdstrike rate 12 times HIGHER - serious risk of more aircraft in the river ..
Second there is a sunken ammunition ship lying there to dangerous to move - if an aircraft crashed on it it could create the greatest non nuclear explosion on record ..

Much quicker and cheaper to build additional runways at Gatwick or expand Manston or use Brize Norton - or a second runway at Birmingham with high speed trains to London coming on stream ..

Ground radar overcomes the fog problem on ground manouevering
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
02:09 PM on 01/22/2012
Anything that Boris suggests has me reaching for the Boys' Own Book of Cynicism', I'm afraid.

An airport in the Thames Estuary has been shelved many times before, and for the same reasons, it's a non-starte­r today.

1. Fog - it's a general feature of estuaries for a good part of each year,
2. Environmen­t - wholesale destructio­n of wild places, disruption of migration patterns, habitat, real danger of birdstrikes etc for the airport and transport infrastruc­ture needed to service such a vast project.
3. Flight congestion - it was proven last time that an estuarial airport would conflict with establishe­d flightpath­s to/from LHR, LGW, LCY and Amsterdam.
4. Rising sea levels due to climate change makes an estuary airport a really bad choice.

Call me an old cynic if you like, but I think this expensive ruse is designed to resurrect the plans for additional runways at LHR, LGW & STN.

The problem in the SE is runway capacity & flight time restrictio­ns, not airport terminal capacity.

We have underused airports littering the SE (Southampt­on, Bournemout­h, Manston, Farnboroug­h etc) whose capacity should be utilised as part of an integrated aviation long-term plan.

Oh sorry, we're talking Tory Government here - long-term is a term too far for them, apparently­?

Mr. Clegg is absolutely correct to put a spoke in this particular wheel.
02:43 PM on 01/22/2012
To comment on your points...

1. Fog. See my post.
2. How does an island destroy wild places wholesale ?
3. Overflight altitudes in the estuary are higher than the approach altitudes would be for a new airport. Aircraft would simply drop out of the cruise altitude earlier and fly lower holding patterns if required.
4. So, build it higher !
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
03:04 PM on 01/22/2012
to comment on your comment...

first three items were highlighted at every enquiry when an estuarial site has been considered in the past - none of the airports I mentioned have moved in the meantime..

4 - and so it becomes isolated when sea level rises? ... sounds like a good idea...

There are well-publicised methods of utilising other airports more efficiently and requiring holiday traffic to relocate (this is in SE regional plan anyway) to less congested airport to alleviate the much more important need of the business traveller.

It includes full utilisation of STN with further runway, Manston, Luton and diverting pure-freight traffic to airports with existing infrastructure.
If you take holiday traffic out of LGW, for example, you release 100s of slots per week for business travel to use.

As a further example, in 1991, LHR required executive jets to vacate to Farnborough, retrieving 50 slots a day which, in itself, alleviated congestion.

We simply don't need another airport, we just need to organise the existing ones more effectively.