European Convention Of Human Rights: Cameron Under Pressure To Withdraw Britain From Treaty

David Cameron

PA/Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 22/01/2012 17:01 Updated: 22/01/2012 19:35

David Cameron is under increasing pressure to withdraw Britain from the European Convention of Human Rights.

Senior Tories are demanding the UK's withdrawal unless the prime minister can secure fundamental reform of the system.

Last week the court ruled that radical Islamist cleric Abu Qatada could not be deported to stand trial in Jordan, where he faces charges of terrorism because it would be a "flagrant denial of justice".

The firebrand preacher, described as "Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe", won his appeal despite assurances that he would not be tortured.

"In the absence of any assurance by Jordan that the torture evidence would not be used against Mr Othman, the court therefore concluded that his deportation to Jordan to be retried would give rise to a flagrant denial of justice," a court spokesman said.

Home Secretary Theresa May said she was "disappointed" but it was "not the end of the road" and Qatada would remain in prison while "all the legal options" are considered.

However, the court's decision that has angered a number of senior Conservatives who are now calling for Britain's extrication from the convention.

Cameron is expected to press the case for reform when he visits the European Court of Human Rights, responsible for enforcing the convention, this week in Strasbourg.


Headquarters of the Council of Europe, which houses the European Court of Human Rights

Martin Callanan, the leader of the Conservative MEPs in the European Parliament, said that if Mr Cameron was unable to secure changes in the Council of Europe, which oversees the court, Britain should withdraw.

"I hope that he will be able to get some reforms. The trouble is that a series of increasingly more ludicrous judgments by the Court of Human Rights is bringing the whole concept of human rights into disrepute. It is becoming ridiculous," he told BBC1's Sunday Politics programme.

"The court has found against the UK something like 300 times over the last few years. These are decisions that often fly in the face of common sense. Nobody has any faith in it.

"The European Court of Human Rights is substituting its judgment for the will of our elected representatives."

Last week, Cameron's official spokesman told reporters: "We have been talking for some time about reform for the European Court of Human Rights and we are using our presidency of the Council to try to make some progress on that issue.

"In particular, there is a massive backlog of cases which we want to address - something like 150,000 cases, which suggests that something isn't working quite as it should be.

"One of the most important issues is to make sure that the court focuses on the cases it should, instead of being a court of appeal for national judgments. I think the PM will say more about that agenda next week."

Shami Chakrabarti, director of human right organisation Liberty said: "Human rights rows provide a convenient distraction from the economy but the public may be smarter than politicians think.

"One minute our representatives bend over backwards to condemn extraordinary rendition; the next, they burst blood vessels because they can't deport people to places of torture.

"In the Spring they support human rights in the Arab World - by the Winter, they want to bulldoze the Court of Human Rights in Europe.

"This blatant inconsistency about our precious rights and freedoms makes independent judges and the Rule of Law all the more important."

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08:40 PM on 01/23/2012
The original Human Rights laws of the 20th century written by the likes of Atlee, Bevan, Churchill, Beveridge, Butler etc. was to protect the VICTIM of Hitler's Camps or Stalin's Gulags. Unfortunately lawyers and judges have allowed it to be used to protect the PERPETRATORS, footballers protecting their sexual shenanigans, terrorists/criminals claiming their rights over those they kill or maim. Perhaps judges and lawyers would be happy to live next to the people they claim are no risk or have rights superior to the indigenous populace.

Let's go back to prioritising the RIGHTS of the VICTIMS and make sure that the law acts as those who framed it 60 years ago intended and not how it has been twisted and manipulatedby lawyers. This would ensure fairness and common sense would prevail and the reasonable rights of freedom and justice would take priority over political correctness.
02:25 AM on 01/24/2012
Well, once you torture someone, they become the victim. The answer isn't to abandon the Human Rights Treaty, it's to admit that torture has no place in war, "armed conflict", "uprisings", or whatever word you want to stick onto it. You torture, you lose your legal credibility. Straighten up and fly right.
03:42 AM on 01/24/2012
untill the human rights are amended to cover the VICTIMS of crimes & NOT the perpetrators, this law is completely flawed, as alredy stated this law has been twisted,manipulated & generaly abused by criminals,even by judges & lawyers,at the expence of the INNOCENT,but as to your comment about torture,YOU have obviously NEVER seen action of any kind,otherwise you would know that all sides do, its the nature of WAR !! you only have to look at the middle east,they have NO conpuntion to torture then behead their victims,& JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT!!! its easy for the likes of you.sat in your armchair safe & sound KNOWING the possibility of being shot or tortured is absolutely minimal,these people that do these types of things are raving loonatics that have NO RESPECT for ANYONES lives apart from maybe their own,but thats debateable!! IF put into a situation where YOU are on the recieving end of incoming fire,seeing your friends being cut down left right & center,knowing full well that if captured you WILL be tortured & after days,weeks,months of it WILL be killed,& in the most painfull way & the only possible way out is by rescue from information obtained by torture Im sure you would REFUSE & say that was not right let them torture & kill me !!! WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON ??? before making comments like yours i politely suggest YOU volenteer to go onto the front line,SEE & experiance what its like see your friends
12:15 PM on 01/24/2012
First of all I did not advocate the abandonment of Human Rights. I did not suggest that those who had been abused, the VICTIMS, be left to struggle on. What I said is that the Act has been used and abused by the very people it was supposed to prosecute. Those who have used torture, maiming and painful death as ordinary life. If they use these tools then they are abrogating their rights. They are fully aware that if they come to Britain, be they murderers from the Hutu/Tutsi slaughters, torturers from Zimbabwe or the arab extremists, they can use our interpretation, of these laws to protect themselves. This means that others, seeing this, will continue to act in this way. By sending back those who dislike our country enough to damage us, then we are actually standing up for the rights of victims in those countries and also sending out a clear message NOT to do this.
06:42 PM on 01/23/2012
Human rights is all about political view China has little respected for any freedom or rights the EU has the same warped sense of human with neither being elected by the people. Freedom has to be protected millions have died throughout history protecting their own and neighbours freedom but has is the norm in humanity a few will do anything other than die to take it from us. This government should setup our own court of human rights with absolute power over the EU and UK laws. The court should have no more than two legal members with others from all walks of life making a court at any one time of twelve men and women good and true. Cameron show some backbone set it up now staff it with people who are unemployed and not contaminated by having worked in the civil service there by avoiding drone like obedience to political masters.
10:40 AM on 01/23/2012
All FUD from the bleeding hearts brigade. Before Blair signed us up to this legislation, we managed very well and human rights were fully respected.

FUD = Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. A common ploy from those who have lost the argument.
02:59 PM on 01/23/2012
Quote: "Before Blair signed us up to this legislatio­n"

Was Blair PM in 1950?
majdf18148
I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
08:26 PM on 01/23/2012
Allow me to point out the full title of the act: The Human Rights Act 1998, it came into being in its present guise in 1998, BLAIR brought it in supported by one Cherie Blair who happened to be a barrister, guess what many of her cases dealt with.......go on have a guess....yup, The HRA! I know it came into being then as I had to attend numerous legal courses, seminars et al on the very subject.
09:59 AM on 01/23/2012
People really need to consider what the real motives are behind opposition to the Human Rights Convention and how it may effect many if not most of us negatively.

Some of the more sick twisted and evil acts of this government would be progressing with greater ease without this!

Consider the implications carefully before being led to the slaughter in terms of justice, welfare, housing, education, healthcare, employment rights and numerous other issues effected by the human rights convention. This government is for taking us back into a less civilised past.
10:19 AM on 01/23/2012
All part of their ploy to gently slip us out of Europe. Carefully does it Dave we might guess what you are doing.
10:21 AM on 01/23/2012
Absolute ridiculous twaddle
10:24 AM on 01/23/2012
Everything that comes out of the Conservative Party? - I quite agree
09:48 AM on 01/23/2012
What human rights,OAPs in this country have to rely on hand outs just to keep warm,when we are sending billions to other countries.Cameron promised we would have british human rights for this country,before the last election another broken promise.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
09:31 AM on 01/23/2012
Dave looks constipated in that photo.

Has he been eating his bran flakes?

Or is he simply full of it?

The UK loves these courts. It keeps the mandarins in Whitehall busy and feeling important.
10:20 AM on 01/23/2012
Think Mrs Dave has knocked his teeth in for disagreeing with her dad so many times!!!!
09:22 AM on 01/23/2012
One thing that terrorists fear more than anything the Uk or the US has to offer and thats being sent to somewhere like Jordan. We won't win any war against terrorists if we cave in to the European Convention of Human Rights which I must add seems to be more worried about his rights than those who need protection from him.
08:56 AM on 01/23/2012
"Reform or withdraw" ...sounds like political roll-play at the Cameron Household.
08:26 AM on 01/23/2012
Errrrrr "The firebrand preacher, described as "Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe".

Well if he is, surely the UK can lock him up and almost throw away the key or maybe the US Authorities would like a word with him. If he's got a UK passport the US seem pretty keen on taking UK citizens for minor infringements across the water for an interview or two.....??

Then again is he isn't Osama Bin Ladins right hand man - he can be let free and again maybe the US would like a word or two with him?
09:56 AM on 01/23/2012
I think sending him to the US would be the best idea and then when he has finished his sentance there and if he is still living they can send him back to us for him to stand trial here. That way the US pays for him to stay first....
majdf18148
I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
08:20 AM on 01/23/2012
How can so called first world countries who preach democracy and fairness to others allow one person's apparent human rights to override the safety and security of so many others? These same countries are wholly complicit in bombing other leaders into submission for exactly the same sort of criminal acts as those their courts seek to protect through the misapplication of the HRA. Chakrabati would not, I suspect, be quite so forthright in protecting Abu Qatada and his cronies if she or her family were to suffer as a result of his terrorist actions in this country. Ideology is fine until you suffer as a result, it then takes on a different hue. Any justice system that protects people whose sole aim in life is the destruction of other human beings has no place in our society. Any person who falls into that category has, in my eyes, forfeited their rights to protection under the HRA as the very ethos by which they lead their lives contadicts all the rules of everyone else's human rights. Jordan has given an explicit agreement that he will not be tortured, that isn't the issue. The issue is the European courts say the evidence gathered by Jordan against him was collected through torture. Meanwhile, having entered the country under false ptetences he and his family continue to milk our state benefits, benefits provided by a country he wishes to terrorize. If this was a plot for a book it would be rejected as absurd.
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08:31 AM on 01/23/2012
you wouldn't care about these countries or the region if they didn't provide you with oil -
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
09:34 AM on 01/23/2012
Indeed. I would view them as quaint backdrops in a 1962 David Lean film about a self-promoting sexually conflicted English charlatan.

(Did that offend anyone?)
09:09 AM on 01/23/2012
Why doesn't cameron just use rendition to ship him to jordan
09:58 AM on 01/23/2012
Because Stupid Cameron and his bunch forgot to get Jordan to promise on their bended knocky knees that they would not hurt the man (too much).
10:22 AM on 01/23/2012
Because dave and his gang forgot to get Jordan to tell us they wouldn't hurt (too much) when they got him back!!!!
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07:54 AM on 01/23/2012
I wonder if one day that you say that you care, if you say you love you madly I'll gladly be there. Like a puppet on a string. Wake up you politicians, and get us out of that horrible alliance. Feel that tingle running down your back Dave, it's called a spine. Britain first, no more hesitating or dithering, break away from it's ruinous intentions, after all, we are still a democracy, not the views of one mans's dictatorial nature. You are beginning to think like them across the water Dave, well unthink like them. think British and proud of it......
08:17 AM on 01/23/2012
Quote: "get us out of that horrible alliance"

Do you mean the 47 member Council of Europe? If so, why not get out of the UN with its Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
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08:32 AM on 01/23/2012
One step at a time Orthus, part one is far more important for now. Part2 affects every nation on the globe, let us hear it from them, what are they going to do about it. Sadly, Britain, cannot play the role of Robin Hood, which we have always done....50Million pounds every day is a massive amount of money to give away with no benefits in return apart from being dictated to which I personally resent..Quote....
majdf18148
I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
10:04 AM on 01/24/2012
I can't reply on the other link as it has closed with your last post. Your user name is apt, it struck a chord in my memory bank and then it came to me, perhaps your master Ceryon might want his two headed pet to take a slightly less aggressive stance in his debating technique? A rhetorical question that warrants no answer. The repercussions of the Act I referred to are the numerous abuses of it by terrorists and criminals whose human rights are protected in direct contadiction to the human rights of those they seek to terrorize, rob, steal or rape or those already affected by such actions. That was never the intention of the Act and YES I do object to such crass misuse of the Act.I have no beef with anyone's human rights being protected providing they are signed up to the same ethos and are not given legal protection by the Act to deny others similar rights. Enough, I will desist from further comment and allow you to return to protecting your master's cattle herd. Apt, don't you think! Nice debating with you but we are obviously coming at this from opposite ends of the spectrum so I will bid you farewell and good luck, I'm done!
07:14 AM on 01/23/2012
if Cameron uses his brain , he can do it all with one go , ( get out of europe )

why let the germans & the french get there own way .

its ok for them to push all the imagrants over here & they know we wont say anything , the underdogs as always
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08:33 AM on 01/23/2012
see what happens when you empire all over the world
09:13 AM on 01/23/2012
Problem with people like you, is you talk as if British people do not emigrate! It is the arrogance of wanting to think you can stand alone or are able to do without that whole world even though you know this is only an island and the world population is 7 billion and increasing. Watch while the economic power shifts to the East and with minds like yours work overtime to loose the UK the moral high ground and its place in world leadership. One case should not mean that the higher ground of universal human rights should be jetissoned. One can not go it alone or threaten to like a spoilt child, and especially just because a few people and that obviously includes some politicians refuse to see the bigger picture, beyond some self righteous narrow minded ill defined notion of being British and if scotland has its way one suspects because of people who constantly define being British selfishly, I guess resor those folks will resort to some false notion of 'being English!' in a world were places and events like Davos demonstrate that there is a global family dawning. Look carefully at the teritory and the population of this country, it is far to small for the weight it carries in world affairs. It is the moral high ground that earned and merits that position of trust. Be carefully before you loose friends and isolate the country, these are transitional times
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01:52 PM on 01/23/2012
Lose friends,the moral high ground? We are British, at least the English ,Scots Welsh and N.Irish are, we have stood alone before and if necessary we can stand alone again,We ruled a third of the world surface and showed not a few of the member countries to this treaty what Justice and the rule of Law in an Educated society stood for. It is only appeasement to the liberal left that has resulted in this dilemma we are in now we deserve the opportunity to again establish our own identity for Justice and Right
07:11 AM on 01/23/2012
I just read this article in the Wall Street Journal and, if this is anywhere near the truth, you guys should run screaming from this Human Rights convention. You can tell me they have it wrong but I am not sure why you want to tie your hands to the terrorist loving continent. Here is the link:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171022548256612.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

From my perspective, the UK is the best-positioned large country in Europe to get out of this economic mess. That includes Germany which is going to have to pull weight for Spain and Italy which are massive drags. The continent is going to be screwed for more than a decade they are so in debt. Isolationism worked for England for mant centuries, you should be drifting in that direction again. For our part, the US needs to back off from the world and focus on ourselves as well. Obama will have run up $5 trillion in debt in just 4 years with no end in sight. Greece and Italy are just dress rehearsals. If the US goes to $20 trillion in debt by the end of this decade, I am moving to Australia. Good day, mate
04:57 AM on 01/23/2012
If ever there was a time for a referendum to be called then surely this is it.
We must be given the chance to show all of our feelings on this matter. Not only to give our full sopport to the PM but also to express our disgust at the rulings coming out of the EU that are having such a detrimental affect our our lives in the UK.
The Human Rights laws are all fine in theory, but the interventio of EU judges are making it come across as being totally abnoxious and absurd.
Michael II
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07:07 AM on 01/23/2012
The European Court of Human Rights is not part of the EU. So you'll need two referendums.
09:14 AM on 01/23/2012
I stand corrected. Sorry! I actually saw all of this in the paper this morning. One or two referendums, we certainly need something to get it all sorted out.
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04:06 AM on 01/23/2012
If that is what the court ruled then perhaps it is time that the UK withdrew. The court should be mindful of everyone else's human rights. And those rights are put in jeopardy when a madman is allowed to remain in society's midst. These types of decision are not conduce to the good conduct of society and are not to be welcomed. It is time that all nonsense about civil and human rights is subject to the over riding safety and comfort of law abiding people.
04:51 AM on 01/23/2012
I can only 100% agree with everything that you write. You are spot on!
It is the people and country as a whole that matter and not one individual.