Defence Job Cuts 'Grotesque', Say MPs

Ministry Of Defence Job Cuts

PA/The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 25/01/2012 06:31 Updated: 25/01/2012 06:31

Compulsory redundancies in the military, compared to voluntary redundancies for civilians in the Minsitry of Defence, have been labelled "grotesque" by an influential commons committee.

In a scathing report, the Commons defence committee questioned whether the terms on offer were "fair or appropriate" and dismissed Ministry of Defence explanations of the "shocking" difference.

Insufficient attention had been given to retraining soldiers, sailors and airmen for roles the military faced shortages in, it suggested.

Around two in five of 2,860 servicemen and women laid off late last year in the first phase of a huge reduction in manning levels were made compulsorily redundant.

In contrast, the first two tranches of redundancies in civilian staff - set to total 15,000 over several years - were all done on a voluntary basis, the committee heard.

The MoD's senior civil servant, permanent secretary Ursula Brennan, said that was partly because civil servants were more "flexible" while the armed forces tended to have "specific trades".

Defence minister Andrew Robathan pointed out in the Commons that the armed forces had been "less forthcoming" with applications for voluntary redundancy than civilian staff.

Both were condemned by the committee as inadequate explanations.

"The argument that civilians are flexibly employable whereas the military are not runs contrary to our experience of the breadth of the military training we have witnessed on operations," it said

"The MoD should set out what opportunities and encouragement it gives to those in the armed forces who face compulsory redundancy to retrain, especially into 'pinch point' trades."

Brennan's argument also implied "a lack of strategic vision as to the direction to be taken by the civilian component of the MoD", the MPs said.

"On the other hand the minister's assertion, that many civil servants but insufficient members of the armed forces have applied for redundancy, ignores the question of why that should be so.

"The MoD should consider whether the terms of redundancy offered to either the military or civilian staff are fair or appropriate in the light of the stark and shocking difference between the application of compulsion in redundancy to the two branches of service in the MoD.

"For military redundancies to be compulsory in 40% of cases, yet for civilian redundancies to be compulsory in none, is so grotesque that it requires an exceptionally persuasive reason.

"We are not persuaded by either of the two reasons we have been given."

The Tory MP who chairs the committee, James Arbuthnot, said "Why cannot the MoD retrain service personnel, who face redundancy, to fill those many trades where there are shortages, such as combat medical technicians or intelligence gatherers?"

A second tranche of military redundancies were announced this month under the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) intended to help plug the £38 billion black hole in the defence budget.

Up to 2,900 members of the Army, 1,000 members of the Royal Air Force and 300 members of the Royal Navy, including military top brass, were told they were losing their jobs.

The committee also accused the MoD of impeding its job of scrutinising spending by "hiding behind security classifications" and declining to make secret documents available to MPs.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said: "The select committee's report is simply wrong in what it says on military redundancies.

"Every opportunity is being given for military personnel to retrain either for alternative roles in the Armed Forces or in civilian life, but the simple fact is we have to tackle the massive deficit we inherited from Labour and the huge black hole in the defence budget.

"We have already announced the reduction in military and civilian manpower that we will have to make to get our Armed Forces on a stable basis for the future.

"Criticism from Labour rings equally hollow - they are the cause of the problems we are now resolving.

"I am determined to get the defence budget back into balance so our Armed Forces have certainty and clarity about the future."

The Ministry of Defence also insisted the overall civilian headcount reduction would be 25,000 by 2015.

Shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy said: "There is a thin line between callousness and carelessness and Ministers need to start taking responsibility for their decisions.

"Thousands of service personnel are being unceremoniously sacked. It is essential that the painful impact of David Cameron's decisions is minimised wherever possible. The Committee are right to suggest prioritising retraining for all those made compulsorily redundant. The transition between military and civilian life is always difficult and the Government should do more to provide opportunity and stability."

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07:15 PM on 01/25/2012
If one were to look at it a bit longer than 5 seconds and taking the easy route out then you would find that there are more admirals than ships who are on over £100,000 wages and who enjoy that salary even when in "retirement". the same can be said for the army and RAF however if redundancy was needed and not in house maintenance and servicing which would save money as well as this would allow us users to be more intimate with equipment, know exactly what has been done with it and ensure it works. it is pure short sightedness and greed that is fuelling these redundancies, the country can afford to pay the military at its current level all it needed was someone with a bit of common sense looking at things and going "how can we simplify this?" not to take the easy route and cut everything because they want quick returns (or if being a little more cynical getting a back hander for procurement of poor equipment from the cheapest bidder in exchange for an honorary position on the board of directors). some days when i watch the news and hear of more scandals from parliament and see that really we have 600 posturing peacocks and peahens all squawking but not doing very much i feel that Guy Fawkes should have succeeded in his endeavor.
05:19 PM on 01/25/2012
Clearly, there is a very large gap in what the MOD is suggesting is happening, and what really is the current position with regarding to whom can take Voluntary Redundancy within the Civil Service Sector of the MOD.

A friend of mine has been trying to get Voluntary Redundancy from his Civil Service Post within the Bomb Disposal ( EOD ) Section of the MOD for now the past 2 Year's, and upon each and every occasion he has attempted to secure his request, he has had his request turned down.

Of course, this refusal fly's in the Face of what the Defence Minister is now to-day saying that by rather than laying - off Full - Time Service Personnel under enforced Redundancy Arrangements, they will instead allow current Serving Personnel to be redeployed into any vacant Civil Service post, or position instead.
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02:25 PM on 01/25/2012
Armies are the non-productive workers of any country who can only be supported by the excess production of their fellow citizens.
The arms business has embedded itself into our commercial system, so we must go on producing wartoys at an ever faster rate, so that everyone concerned
can go on pretending they have a real job. The defence industry does not ‘create
jobs’, it uses taxpayers money to prolong jobs. They may (eventually) be turning out beautiful pieces of kit, but it can only go on so long as the taxpayer can afford it.
Armies can only be supported by the excess of a prosperous community; but we are no longer prosperous, production of military hardware might be seen as the ultimate in production of disposable products.but we can no longer afford them and our financial situation is set to get a whole lot worse.
Yet Politicians demand that armaments production be kept at maximum output, because if not, factories will close and millions will be thrown out of work. We have perhaps lost sight of the fact that arms production no longer creates wealth. It used to a century or two ago, but then we used armaments to go and steal somebody else’s wealth.
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03:10 PM on 01/25/2012
Very true. The same can be said of the drug war efforts. When the military doesn't need the surplus, it is given to police to use on citizens.
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Mickey Mouse 1
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05:03 PM on 01/25/2012
The British arms industry earns this country a lot of money and pays a lot of tax.

As they reduce the size of the army, the slack is taken up by unregulated private security companies. The British public can only guess at what's going on.
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05:17 PM on 01/25/2012
you miss the point

I didn't mention British, by arms industry I meant world.
no matter who buys/produces arms or pays soldiers, it can only be supported by the excess of fellow citizens. we sell stuff, somebody else has to buy it
02:19 PM on 01/25/2012
After 30 years in the Forces before joining the private sector, I witnessed the systematic cutting of military manpower and capability. Some of the reductions were justifiable - equipment became more capable and required less manpower to operate and maintain.
A major drawback has been the outsourcing of maintenance and repair to civilian industry. This enabled the reduction of manpower, but resulted in a military that didn't know the equipment intimately. When this was done 'in-house' the servicemen could overcome problems in the field, instead of sending the equipment away and waiting weeks or months for its return. At least this has provided an employment path for those leaving the forces.
Apparently the MOD is over budget. Well this happens when the budget is cut below the level needed to maintain and improve on capability. If you were balancing your household budget and someone said 'great, now do the same with less, and by the way there's no money in the budget to repair the washing machine - you'll have to that by not eating next week' you'd realise what the problem is.
Oh and @lastpost - "someone trained them not to think?" is insulting. Yes the forces are trained to do what they're told, it's called discipline. They are however trained to be flexible and innovative - they have to be given that they have to overcome equipment shortages, manpower shortages, working in remote locations with little support and being constantly asked to do more with less.
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04:40 PM on 01/25/2012
As the army gets binned, contracts handed out to the private security industry take off.
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01:18 PM on 01/25/2012
"Compulsory redundancies in the military"
Can’t the government set up some sort of self help scheme? To assist with the creation of small related businesses. Mercenaries’R’Us for example. Inadequate policing perturbing you? Need help with property protection? Then look for us under government surplus.

"condemned by the committee as inadequate explanations."
Not of a quality suitable, for the purposes for which it was to be put

"Why cannot the MoD retrain service personnel, who face redundancy?"
If unable to assimilate alternative skills, is that because someone trained them not to think?

"the Government should do more"
How about the offer of assisted emigration to the Falklands? That way, if the balloon does go up. All they need do is hand out mothballed weaponry.

"Thefts Of Military Equipment 'Soaring'"
Hopefully that could merely be a need for mementoes. If so, the future of Antiques Road Show is assured. If something more sinister, keep on eye out for a Tartan Army moving south.
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12:06 PM on 01/25/2012
stop immigration and £13billion foriegn aid wouldnt need to cut services?
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Mickey Mouse 1
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04:22 PM on 01/25/2012
The money spent on foreign aid is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the money paid out in welfare benefits.
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04:29 PM on 01/25/2012
well Micky £13 billion may be a drop in the ocean to you, and less than the £39billion wasted on welefare, but its still a lot of beans?
12:00 PM on 01/25/2012
Should cut back further nuclear deterrent keeping minimum required shared with France (already under discussion). Further big savings could be made here. Better to keep front-line soldiers, including Gurkhas.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/britain-and-france-may-share-nuclear-deterrent-2093539.html
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10:43 AM on 01/25/2012
The military is forced to leave, and the civilian staff is asked to volunteer to leave. It's not much different here in the states. Those who voluntarily put their asses on the line for their country never have as much political pull as those bureaucrats who've done nothing but fill out paperwork.
02:11 PM on 01/25/2012
No truer words were ever spoken.
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10:08 AM on 01/25/2012
Too many chiefs and not enough indians.
09:48 AM on 01/25/2012
Dont worry as soon as Scotland has its indipendence all scots will be leaving the Armed forces, the money saved by closing all military camps and all the tax money we would stop giving them we could have an armed forces that is well equipped and well paid, and even be able to stop taxing the military pention.
01:06 PM on 01/25/2012
And what about serving Scots who don't agree that the end of the union is a good thing? I swore an oath of allegiance to the Queen, not that fat bigot Salmond!!!!!!!!!!
10:18 PM on 01/26/2012
You are not the only one my friend, i have some very good and old mates from scotland and they think the same as you, i think he is going to cause more problems befor he is kicked out of office.
09:36 AM on 01/25/2012
I just came from the story about theft in the military and now I'm with those who steal the £45.000 night vision goggles. Cuts like this are disgusting especially as there is always a war after the government make cuts like this (see Iran) there were cuts just before the Gulf war too. I think there has to be a cut off point to when you can keep blaming labour on the state of things, I know the Tories love to past the buck and blame everyone else and it works. Look at Obama he never blames Bush and now everyone blames him as they have forgotten what he did during his 8 years.
We need the military strong for many reasons, stop giving so much foreign aid and look after our own people.
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01:07 PM on 01/25/2012
Well said, i agree totally
09:19 AM on 01/25/2012
All these cuts to the UK military and other services to the indiginous Brit people are essential if Cameron and co are going to be able to afford foreign aid ,immigrants benefits , EU contributions , 600 MP's wages and expenses , the Lords ,...etc etc etc.
08:12 AM on 01/25/2012
It's the over weight, and the ones who can't and haven't achieved much in there military careers who are getting CUT. The ones behind the desk and can't pull there OWN weight!
01:02 PM on 01/25/2012
WRONG!!!!! I am neither fat or underachieving but still fall into the criteria for tranche 2 compulsory redundancy along with many of my peers within our career employment group.
07:53 AM on 01/25/2012
Spot an Admiral or a General being made redundant, For every one I will eat pooh from a rocking horse.
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07:52 AM on 01/25/2012
On the one havd we have this bulletin informing of cuts in the military. On the other hand we have Hague, warning Iran, that we will send a significant task force to their region. Therefore, who is kidding who with all of this political rhetoric. The Iranians know well the game of bluff in politics, they too play that very game, they know we are depleted in Afghanistan, plus the threat from the Argentinians over the Falklands, they know we are stretched to all limits. And they are testing us....