Lord Carey, Former Archbishop Of Canterbury, Criticises Bishops Who Blocked Welfare Reform

Lord Carey

The Huffington Post UK   Dina Rickman First Posted: 25/01/2012 07:42 Updated: 25/01/2012 07:42

Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey has criticised the bishops behind blocking the government's welfare reform proposals in the House of Lords on Monday, saying they do not have the "moral high ground".

In an article for the Daily Mail he said he was sure the bishops attempted to amend the bill, which would cap benefits at £26,000 a year, because they wanted to speak up for the poor.

But he said that the amendment which would still allow families to claim child benefit, was "against" popular opinion - and the real scandal was public debt.

"These five bishops — led by the Bishop of Ripon and Leeds — cannot lay claim to the moral high-ground.

"The sheer scale of our public debt, which hit £1 trillion yesterday, is the greatest moral scandal facing Britain today," Carey wrote.

The Church of England Bishops - who sit in the House of Lords - tabled an amendment to the government's plans to cap benefits to households at £500-a-week on Monday.

Ministers insist that the Bishops' amendment would have the effect of raising the cap to £50,000 a year, rendering the changes redundant if they are to deter people from remaining on welfare and not attempting to gain employment. It is highly likely that the government will seek to overturn the amendments in the Commons.

Carey points out that work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who is behind the measures to reform welfare, is a "committed Christian", adding: We have not tackled the root causes of poverty — the twin failures of aspiration and education — and have instead condemned generations to a lifetime of grinding envy and hopelessness."

Carey, who was brought up on a council estate and failed his 11+, added "I can’t possibly believe prolonging our culture of welfare dependency is in the best interests of our children."

The 76-year-old was Archbishop of Canterbury until 2002.

Iain Duncan Smith has insisted his welfare reform plans are not designed to "punish", and vowed the proposed cap on benefits will not make children homeless or force families into poverty.

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Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey has criticised the bishops behind blocking the government's welfare reform proposals in the House of Lords on Monday, saying they do not have the "moral high...
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11:23 AM on 01/29/2012
What is the annual bill for the "House of Lords"? and Why are there more Lords than elected MP's?
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Ben Wilson
What's the story mourning Tories?
03:01 PM on 01/26/2012
This is just Carey coming out as an old school Tory isn't it? Sounds like he wants the COE to behave in a popularist manner reacting to the gripes of it's congregation. Sounds to me like he said ' This doesn't concern us because it doesnt effect our flock so why are you opposing the government and upsetting a congregation that wants the governent to target the poor?' Im sure this debate could go round in endless circles, but doesn't it come down to the question of asking why isn't the church being more constructive and proactive rather than Opining from an unelected position in government?
10:54 PM on 01/25/2012
No - the real scandal here is a retired and obsolete reactionary clergyman professing 'values' that have more in common with satanism (literally) than Christianity.

As for IDS being a 'committed christian' - if that is the case then what does it say about christianity? They are both a disgrace to the human race. If IDS comments that the disabled for example are not suffering (and this is in the light of at least 10 suicides) due to welfare reforms is committed christianity then Carey himself should be committed.
02:05 PM on 01/25/2012
Not sure about his ability to identify the "greatest moral scandal". Maybe he hasn't spotted the finance industry's behaviour - or even that of the other place.
09:06 AM on 01/25/2012
It is interesting that the opinion seems to be that the poor are responsible for the country's debt. What of the billions in unpaid tax each year? That debt amounts to far more than is spent on welfare.

These measures will cost more in the long term. we need to create jobs for the unemployed, not kick them while they are down. The reason so many sink into welfare dependency is because it is nigh impossible in some places to find a job that will pay a living wage.
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08:45 AM on 01/25/2012
As usual a 'shades of grey' issue is reported as black and white. It has to be wrong for people to be able to claim the equivalent of £35,000 pa before tax as income from the state, when the national average salary is c£25,000. On the other hand, to simply slash their income overnight would be morally wrong and (I'm guessing) not in the government plans. There should also be a reflection of the different living costs across the country, unless the plan is to move all benefit claimants to the cheapest parts of the UK. The amount claimed should be reduced year on year to the £26k cap (with a loading of say up to 20% for more expensive areas), with no new claimants able to get more than that figure. Simples.
08:25 AM on 01/25/2012
What are these religious people doing in the Lords in the first place. How can the UK call it self a secular democracy ?
08:38 AM on 01/25/2012
Well, Carey thinks they should defend the moral highground.........even though they've never managed it before.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
12:52 PM on 01/25/2012
It isn't a secular democracy. It has an Established Church. There is no separation of church and state - except for the fact that the church has made itself irrelevant.
08:15 AM on 01/25/2012
Those who remember Carey as Archbishop will recall that he was no intellectual, and retirement does not exactly appear to have sharpened his faculties (or steered him in the direction of the passages in the Gospels dealing with the expulsion of the money-lenders from the temple). The thinking here is as muddled as ever.

Most alarmingly, he appears to equate the moral high ground with public opinion. It's difficult to find the Biblical authority for that view, let alone one that is vested in common-sense. He's also on interesting ground when he calls the size of Britain's debt a moral scandal. Where did this debt come from? It's largely derived from the 2008 crash - the cost of the bailouts and the collapse in tax revenues that followed. So is Carey condemning the greed of bankers and financiers that led to the speculative bubble and the crash that inevitably followed? Apparently not.

The trouble with people like Carey (and Duncan-Smith, and his SPADs) is that their vision of Christianity would involve the Good Samaritan blaming the victim of robbery for his indolence and lack of preparedness and giving him a good hard kick in the unmentionables to steel his moral fibre. I am not a Christian, but I find Carey's claim that it is morally right - because public opinion in his view says so - that the most vulnerable should pay for the excesses of the rich somewhat difficult to reconcile with the teachings of Biblical Jesus.