Senior Church Figures Back Christian Counsellor Lesley Pilkington Over 'Gay' Cure

PA/Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 30/01/2012 08:10 Updated: 30/01/2012 08:13

Senior figures in the Church of England have supported a Christian counsellor who treated a gay man when he asked to be cured of his homosexuality.

Lord Carey, the former archbishop of Canterbury, as well as Bishop of Chester the Rt Rev Peter Forster, and Bishop of Lewes the Rt Rev Wallace Benn were among signatories to a letter giving support to 60-year-old psychotherapist Lesley Pilkington.

The counsellor is due to mount an appeal this week following a British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy (BACP) ruling that she was guilty of professional misconduct over a therapy session with gay journalist Patrick Strudwick.

Working undercover, Strudwick approached Ms Pilkington and asked her to "make me straight" after meeting her at a conference for therapists and psychiatrists who wanted to learn how to convert their patients to heterosexuality. Writing in The Guardian last year, he said:

"I am an out, happily gay man. I was undercover, investigating therapists who practise this so-called conversion therapy - also known as reparative therapy - who try to 'pray away the gay',"

"I asked her to make me straight.

"Her attempts to do so flout the advice of every major mental-health body in Britain."

In their letter, the clerics said Ms Pilkington distinguishes "very carefully" between her "non-directive" counselling and the biblical and pastoral counselling she also offers as a Christian.

"We believe that people who seek, freely, to resolve unwanted same-sex attractions hold the moral right to receive professional assistance," they said.

"Whether motivated by Christian conscience or other values, clients, not practitioners, have the prerogative to choose the yardstick by which to define themselves.

"Not everyone stakes their identity on sexual feelings."

Mrs Pilkington has claimed the BACP hearing against her was unfair and discriminated against her Christian faith.

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02:40 PM on 02/06/2012
No one seems to have commented on the core immorality of the reporter deceiving the therapist; he told a lie. I hold him to blame. He didn't do the gay community any favour.
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rMatey
old, recovered Xtian, Liberal
03:33 PM on 01/31/2012
Usually, the woman would try to convince the man he wasn't really gay by offering sex. I have been cured many times over in college.
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02:20 AM on 01/31/2012
The problem with this whole "cure the gay" thing is that the initial premise that there is something wrong with being gay is wrong. There are no reputable mental health organizations in the world that have homosexuality on their list of problems.

If gay people were left to their own devices, they would live lives as happy and satisfying as anybody else. The problems arise for gay people from people that are not willing to allow that people who live outside of their idea of the "norm" are, in fact, normal.

I find it odd that a couple might want to get married and have 10 children. It doesn't mean there is anything inherently wrong with that idea. It's just not normal for me. Homosexuality is the same. Just because it isn't normal for you, it doesn't mean that it is something that needs to be "fixed".
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09:54 PM on 01/30/2012
Certainly sounds like misconduct.

Were she a minister or a lay preacher, her behaviour would have been 100% acceptable, but she wasn't. She was a psychiatrist disobeying all evidence in favour of pushing a religious agenda.
05:47 PM on 02/06/2012
Disagree. She was asked by help by a lying reporter determined to entrap people with whom he disagrees. That's immoral, unethical at least. He deserves to be harangued, not the woman who was responding to what she took as a genuine request.
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07:09 PM on 02/06/2012
Welcome to the site 'tfwthg' - I see these are your first couple of comments.

On the issue, I don't think anybody would agree with that, tbh. To give an example, when assessing GPs, 'mystery patients' are used, which nobody objects to, as there's a clear public safety concern if GPs are incompetent. There's a similar public safety interest here. Can you think of any other ways of dealing with such concerns?
05:20 PM on 02/09/2012
Thanks for your welcome!

The conflict is in the core assumptions here. One side will say being gay is genetic, or at least outside the control of the individual. The other side says not. For either side to act somewhere in the spectrum from unethical to malicious does not help their cause, in my view.

Your assumption that there is a public safety issue here is suspect. For GPs, yes, but in this case?

If our society gets to the point where it is acceptable to pretend one thing to entrap another person we will all have lost. Even if the police do it. For example, an undercover cop deliberately persuades a man to espouse violence who otherwise would have been a peaceful sort, who is blameworthy - cop or the one swayed?

I am not convinced, generally, by claims of victim hood. I believe humans have greater dignity than that, and greater internal strengths.
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09:49 PM on 01/30/2012
I tried to make myself straight for years. I've known I was gay since I was at least five, probably even younger than that. For some of my teen years, I was dating guys my friends said were hot and great catches, and I even slept with some of them to try to make myself straight. It never worked. I had to drink or get high and think of women to get through sleeping with guys. When I finally came out, it was so liberating, and I am now married to the most beautiful and incredible woman on the planet. But before that, I wasn't choosing to be gay and I wasn't choosing to fail at being straight. I just couldn't be what I wasn't, and I couldn't live a lie any longer. These people know not what they speak.
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captainrick
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08:00 PM on 01/30/2012
Maybe she consulted with Marcus Bachmann?
07:51 PM on 01/30/2012
I wish there was a psychiatric cure for religious fanatics....
07:50 PM on 01/30/2012
"Pray the gay away"???!!!???

HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

All I can do is laugh.
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07:35 PM on 01/30/2012
why
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06:43 PM on 01/30/2012
In the overwhelming number of cases, the "ex-gay" movement does not change orientation. All it does is to change behaviour. But I guess that constitutes a "cure" for those who think that sexual orientation is only behaviour anyhow. However what the "ex-gay" movement HAS done is to produce individuals who have spent thousands of dollars and untold effort to change and then find they cannot. How about just leaving people alone and let them be who they are?
05:53 PM on 01/30/2012
It's not a cure - it's just repression.
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05:43 PM on 01/30/2012
"In their letter, the clerics said Ms Pilkington distinguishes "very carefully" between her "non-directive" counselling and the biblical and pastoral counselling she also offers as a Christian."

These two things are really easy to distinguish. Professional counseling, which must be non-directive, is the kind where you charge for professional services. Biblical and pastoral counseling which one offers as a Christian is free. A medical doctor can't charge for faith healing, and neither can she.
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David N Taiwan
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01:33 PM on 01/31/2012
I agree with you, but in addition to what you said I am reminded of something that happened to me once in regards to the purchase of a financial instrument. I inquired about it at my bank and the person behind the counter explained that the bank was forbidden by law to sell the instrument to me. However, he then walked me down the hall to a separate office unaffiliated with the bank and said, "Now we can talk," but reiterated that this was a separate transaction having nothing to do with the bank.

It seems to me that Ms Pilkington didn't go to all this trouble to distinguish between her prayin' and her psychiatrin'.
wmad
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05:23 PM on 01/30/2012
I don't stake my identity on my sexual or romantic inclinations, yet so many people attempt to define me by them solely. None of the desire to change this comes from within; it's all due to negative external pressures.
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Ed Baker
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05:04 PM on 01/30/2012
Religion is a scar of ignorance across all of humanity.

Religion and nationalism are the two most dangerous ideas mankind has ever conceived. Nothing has caused more human suffering.
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nete peedham
06:53 PM on 01/30/2012
Yes, and hard communism and fascism can be added to the list, as they were often treated as religions.
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Ed Baker
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07:16 PM on 01/30/2012
Fascism is nothing more than augmented nationalism.

Communism is an economic system - and a failed one at that. Many confuse the communism of the USSR with it's totalitarianism - which totalitarianism is yet another flavor or nationalism.
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captainrick
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07:58 PM on 01/30/2012
Fascism and communism are two totally different things. Communism is a "wealth redistribution" system which has failed in every modern country that has attempted it because of the need for a totalitarian government to support it.

As for fascism, a famous quote by FDR to Congress in 1937 pretty well sums it up and is SCARY comment on where the U.S. is now:

"Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people. The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any other controlling private power.
The second truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if its business system does not provide employment and produce and distribute goods in such a way as to sustain an acceptable standard of living. Both lessons hit home. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing."
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gaydood
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04:52 PM on 01/30/2012
i like being gay:)
07:53 PM on 01/30/2012
I'm not gay but I appreciate your comment! =)
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gaydood
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08:58 PM on 01/30/2012
cool:):):)
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angelcakesinc
Silence is death
08:42 PM on 01/30/2012
Me too! Imagine that. Happy gay people. I can hear conservative heads exploding all across the world.
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gaydood
♥ Always Wins !!!
09:15 PM on 01/30/2012
:):):)
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stevesheff
10:53 PM on 01/31/2012
I'm proud but not loud