Union Welcomes Sir Fred Goodwin Knighthood 'Token Gesture'

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First Posted: 31/01/2012 21:25 Updated: 31/01/2012 21:34

A leading union has welcomed the decision to strip former RBS chief executive Fred Goodwin of his knighthood.

David Fleming, national officer of Unite, said: "It is a token gesture to strip Fred Goodwin of his knighthood, but one which will be well received by the thousands of workers who lost their jobs during his rule.

"Nonetheless this will do nothing to bring job security to the staff across the banking sector who continue to work under a culture of excess and greed at the top. Action from the Government is needed in banking reform, not simply empty rhetoric on knighthoods or shareholder activism."

Fleming's words were backed by Unison general secretary Dave Prentis, who said: "It is only right that Sir Fred Goodwin should have his knighthood annulled. He was at the helm of RBS when the bank played a huge role in bringing our country's finances to the brink.

"It's about time this country's real heroes were honoured with decent pay and pensions. Care workers, nurses, social workers, community support officers and the millions of other vital public sector workers who work tirelessly, day in day out, to make our communities better places in which to live and work. Every one of them is paying a heavy price for the failure of the banks."

Simon Chouffot, spokesman for the anti-poverty Robin Hood Tax campaign, said: "This is clearly the right decision, but removing one man's gong won't repair the damage done to our economy by the financial sector.

"We need our leaders to move beyond tokenism, tackle the unjust financial rewards still rampant in the City, and ensure the sector pays its share to help people hit by the economic crisis."

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond MSP said the matter raised two important issues which went beyond Sir Fred Goodwin's case.

"Firstly, in terms of consistency, it raises the question of why members of the House of Lords convicted of serious criminal offences should still be able to sit as legislators in the second chamber.

"And second, this welcome decision must also lead to a wider UK Government policy response to impose much-needed restraint over pay and bonuses on financial institutions within the public sector."

However, Sir Jackie Stewart, a friend of Mr Goodwin, questioned the decision to strip sir Fred of his knighthood.

He told BBC News: "To have this stripped I think is poor for the constitution and very dangerous for the future because does this mean that any person who has received an honour of any kind can be stripped of that honour if their past or future business fails?

"It's not a crime in the sense that of course if somebody has to go to jail I can see the logic of such a knighthood being removed but that is simply not the case.

Meanwhile, Simon Walker, director general of the Institute of Directors, said he was concerned about "anti-business hysteria".

He told BBC News: "I don't approve of the decision to strip Fred Goodwin of his knighthood. I don't think it's a business issue, I think it's an honours system issue. There's a well established practice where if people are convicted of a criminal offence, they lose their honours that they've been granted, that's historic and that is appropriate.

"To do it because you don't like someone, you don't approve of someone, you think they've done things that are wrong, but actually there's no criminality, alleged or charged, I think is inappropriate and politicises the honours system."

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A leading union has welcomed the decision to strip former RBS chief executive Fred Goodwin of his knighthood. David Fleming, national officer of Unite, said: "It is a token gesture to strip Fred Go...
A leading union has welcomed the decision to strip former RBS chief executive Fred Goodwin of his knighthood. David Fleming, national officer of Unite, said: "It is a token gesture to strip Fred Go...
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13:46 on 01/02/2012
Perhaps we should also look at the civil servant who put his name forward for the knighthood, as his judgement could be faulty
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NOSHER
13:45 on 01/02/2012
i think they should cancel his pension of 65000 a yearand it should be paid to the people he cheated and put him on the wages he has left them on because we are supposed to be all in it together
13:38 on 01/02/2012
so a failed Banker who cocked up can have his title removed meanwhile the thieving Labour Peers are still allowed to sit in Parliament.throw in the ones who have been found guilty of theft but not prosecuted as well and there is a nice little gang of criminals.

add in the 2 tories and the main point appears to be that they are nearly all from an ethnic background.
surely that can not be the reason that nothing is been done.
13:06 on 01/02/2012
Unless this whole banking bonuses issue is sorted out and soon, I can see the undercurrent of national anger breaking out into pretty horrible stuff over the coming months. Whilst Joe Public is going to increasingly have to deal with being squeezed on every side financially, the bankers and directors will have everything in the trough... 'Light the blue touch paper and stand well clear.... you can almost hear the almighty explosion...'
12:44 on 01/02/2012
I would suspect Fred is very pleased about loseing his knighthood, he will not have to mingle with all the other crooks and failed MPs in the Lords
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Saint wright
Dyslexic old chippy
12:35 on 01/02/2012
The Institute for Studies has proposed reverting to a more traditional honours system where knighthoods are reserved for acts of chivalry, such as rescuing a fair maiden from Ryan Giggs.

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Norman Mitchison
12:27 on 01/02/2012
To-day supporting the decision to de-knight Fred the Shed.Tomorrow,brain transplant for Bob Crow.
12:22 on 01/02/2012
Poor Fred, he won't be able to strut around as a 'Sir' anymore, what a terrible shame, he will just have to struggle on with his massive pension, he now won't be able to rub shoulders with the other greats like Sir Mick etc, What a joke!
12:14 on 01/02/2012
let bob crowe quote on it, his a good voice for unions. NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN UNIONS AND THERE STRIKES HAS COST BILLIONS IN INCOME TO THIS COUNTRY, AND MILLIONS OF JOBS,
HERES A FEW UNIONS GREEDY ENOUGH TO RUIN THERE OWN INDUSTRIES, DOCKS, CAR INDUSTRY. STEEL INDUSTRY, PRINT WORKERS, MINERS, the list is endless of there mad cap ideas on wages and how to run these companys well they destroyed them, The whole lot should invest in companies for the millions they have helped put on the dole if they think they know how to run a business. i am a ex print worker who thank god saw how the unions were going to bring the industrt down because they couldn"t move with the times simple as that, but i would thank them for earning me plenty of money in the 70s for very little work, lazyiest man in the company the good old " father of the chapel "
13:02 on 01/02/2012
I agree with your sentiments entirely having worked through the 70s and 80s when the Unions almost destroyed this country singlehanded. They made what the bankers have done look likes kid's stuff! Bob Crow is probably jealous because the bankers almost did what he's love to do......
13:39 on 01/02/2012
very true
12:10 on 01/02/2012
Simon Walker director general of Institute of Directors is worried about anti business hysteria, for intelligent people they just do not get it, the majority British people have nothing against a profit or a person bettering themselves what sets us aside is a revulsion of greed and gluttony. A select committee of MPs rubber stamped the removal of the knighthood, the Chancellor of the Exchequer backs it Miliband thinks it right, make no mistake without our outcry bonuses would have been paid, Fred would still have been Sir Fred, so when you hear Cameron, Miliband or Clegg trying to make political gain out of it remember if left to them nothing would have changed.
13:40 on 01/02/2012
remember it was under millibead that the guy got the knighthood, and all the thieves from the lords got their peerages as well
14:27 on 01/02/2012
I remember it all for the last forty years through Thatcher, Blair, Brown and now Cameron there are no innocents.
11:56 on 01/02/2012
All this and the fact Hester turned down his bonus has caused havoc with shares as no one wants to take any riskes with RSB and Lloyds/TSB because of this political interference.
Also the bloody unions want to keep their noses out of sensible business What do unions know about banking >????
11:51 on 01/02/2012
Of course it's 'tokenism", an attempt to use one sacrificial victim to deflect attention from the wider issues of the general behaviour of the financial sector at large, its culpability in the financial crisis, its continued bonus culture, its attempts to blackmail the country etc etc, but I also suspect that having one's knighthood stripped will be at least a tad embarrassing in the social circles in which Fred the Shred moves – or did.
11:42 on 01/02/2012
I bet he is really sad at whats happened, I am sure he will be able to console himself with the £650,000 he gets a year for his pension. That can buy him alot of tissues to cry into or wipe away the tears of laughter at this is the best they can do for what he did. I which one out of money or knighthood I would rather have.
northern git
fed up with all the political crap in life
11:58 on 01/02/2012
he probably has majority share holder status in kleenex and gets them free
10:31 on 01/02/2012
Fred Goodwin abused and neglected a high position of social and economic importance. In many countries he would have been jailed. ( And maybe even shot.) But they do now need to look at Archer and Ashcroft.
12:25 on 01/02/2012
How about MP's as well as Peers?
The Guardian quoted David Cameron at the end of May 2009 as stating that he would "start looking at recall powers".
On 8 February 2010 David Cameron made a speech entitled “Rebuilding Trust in Politics” in which he stated that the Conservatives supported the introduction of recall:
“When it comes to the firing, we’ve said we’ll introduce a power of recall to allow voters to kick out MPs mid-parliament if they have been proven guilty of serious wrongdoing.”
They seem to be delaying any change to me.
15:21 on 01/02/2012
I totally agree with you, and Cameron is getting into the habit of saying much and delivering nought.
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rabidrightwatch
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09:50 on 01/02/2012
Tokenism pure and simple...

I don't suppose Mr. Goodwin could give a fig about his knighthood being taken away; he's got plenty of money, and money, not knighthoods, pay the bills..

This may have meant something really important in feudal times, but not today.

It's pretty reprehensible of any Government to identify & punish a scapegoat; this is merely the latest example.