David Lammy Talks Downhills Primary, Michael Gove As Stalin And Defending Inner-City Schools

David Lammy

First Posted: 3/02/2012 17:35 Updated: 3/02/2012 20:28

Describing your political opponent as devious and sly are both relatively acceptable adjectives in the cut-throat world of politics.

Likening the secretary of state for education to a mass murderer whose regime of terror saw millions perish under his rule, however, is another thing entirely.

But the MP for Tottenham David Lammy did just that when responding to Gove's recent comments about a north London school.

"Michael Gove says to parents 'You're a bunch of Trots and I'm Stalin and you've got to have the model I want'."

We are of course discussing Downhills, Lammy's old primary school. The school made headlines after accusing Gove of illegally forcing it to convert to academy status - and the battle is still raging.

"The truth is the school has had problems over the past few years," Lammy admits. "Standards have slipped, there's no doubt about it.

"But I was very surprised Gove just disregarded the fact Ofsted were coming back into the school. He literally gave them three weeks to find a sponsor and become an academy. You can't talk about localism and local determination and then foist a particular solution on a group of parents.

"It's wrong to say to some parents 'why don't you go and set up a free school' and to others 'right this is what you are going to have'."

According to Lammy, the head at Downhills has already sacked six teachers and is in the process of "turning it around".

"It takes a strong head who's really committed and not burnt out to run a school. And in the tougher parts of the country they do burn out. What you too often find is it's a merry-go-round between the best heads.

"The pass-the-parcel system in Britain is not the answer to better standards in education. It can't be."

Far from being against academies, but then Labour could never turn against their brain child anyhow, Lammy insists the model is the right choice for some schools, just not all.

"I am worried about a situation where all schools become academies. If they all have that autonomy then it's not clear which ones are failing. An academy in Poole is one of the worst schools in the country. Where do you go from there?

"I don't think Gove has an answer to that.

"I think he believes in competition and thinks some schools should succeed and some should fail," he adds.

Unsurprisingly, the North London MP is defensive of inner-city schools.

"The ones really struggling are those beyond London yet Gove is choosing to wage his battles here in London. I think probably for political reasons. It's quite easy to kick Haringey Council, isn't it?

"That happens traditionally, when we get a Conservative government."

Lammy adds he predicts a future "postcode lottery" as a result of Gove's academies policy "exaggerating the gap between successful and failing schools".

In his utopian world, "labels don't matter".

"I think Britain finds itself too often obsessed with structure in education. When actually the real debates are about substances and quality."

But Lammy soon comes crashing back down to earth: "I think to simply say 'right it's an academy and it will be fine'...I wish it was that simple."

"I think the government will be facing a lot more challenges," he adds, referring back to the school he is championing in its fight against "Stalin".

"I've been surprised from the letters I've been receiving from all around the country - teachers reporting being scrutinised unfairly, and of force.

"I have a lot of respect for the professionalism for this generation of teachers and heads. Gove seems not to understand that. I think there's a way to treat people and he is treating people with a 1950's approach to education.

Regardless of his political motives to discredit Gove, it is evident Lammy has real empathy for his old school. "That spotlight, that pressure, that tension Gove has thrown on the school just before their Ofsted inspection is a really surprising move. He should have waited."

And the students?

"They don't want to be educated amidst petitions and strikes. Unfortunately that's the road down which Gove is set on going."

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nete peedham
11:55 PM on 02/04/2012
I think that the man used the wrong metaphors.

Perhaps "You're pharisees, and I'm Jesus" would be closer to Gove's thoughtless processes.
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10:58 PM on 02/04/2012
"The truth is the school has had problems over the past few years," Lammy admits. "Standards have slipped, there's no doubt about it.

The school has been given was given time again and again to improve. It didn't.

Here endeth the lesson.
06:20 PM on 02/04/2012
The real issue is that education and health are too important to be left anymore to the whim of the political parties with their different ideologies regarding education and health. It is this constant and ill thought through changes that has bedevilled those two sectors of our national life. we need a national committe to decide on health and educational programme that would agreed on all stakeholders. Please correct me if i am wrong,is micheal a teacher by profession or ever worked in the educational sector before going into politics. why must we have labour and the tory parties dictating to and foistering on us their views on education which are not balanced. What we need is a national forum to discuss the right way forward devoid of extreme political ideologies,and complete end to this circus of ever changing educational programs every time we have a change in the party governing. how many politicians send their kids to state schools? Please lets focus on damage being to these institutions by ill thought through and politically driven agenda by our political rulers.
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05:32 PM on 02/05/2012
Well who should decide education policy if not our elected representatives?
08:03 PM on 02/05/2012
that is the point i am trying to put across,that our elected representatives have made and are still making a mess of these institutions. has there ever been a detailed constructive debate outside parliament on these issues. please look at these without any political bias and for a change lets be nonpartisan.thanks for your comment to my earlier suggestion and remain blessed
05:56 PM on 02/04/2012
he lives in muswell hill or crouch end he does not live in tottenham where he respresents,
mind you saw him in wood green last week mind you he was excellently stupid on master mind when education minister
Southern law girl
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02:37 PM on 02/04/2012
Mr Lammy cherry picks, I wonder how he would have reacted had the boot been on the other foot? I seem to remember the Labour Government were in power 12 plus years, they had plenty of time to sort things out in Education then, but they didn't, shame on them!
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04:00 PM on 02/04/2012
Labour turned a failing, poor education system into a fair, improving one.

The Tories are in the process of turning that system into one that is exceptional for some, and failing for the rest. I take it you don't work in education, or you'd perhaps realise this.
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05:18 PM on 02/04/2012
It is my opinion David Lammy doesn't have a great deal to say that makes sense, and I have a perfect right to my opinion, and that is whether I am or have worked in education or not. Furthermore, I am not against what the Labour Government were trying to do. As to the point of "...improving one.", all I say is this, they were in office for nearly thirteen years, some young people were leaving school unable to read or write - do you call that improving. Further, examinations were getting easier, much easier. When I read an A level GCE paper I couldn't believe it, it was of the standard I did for my mock GCE O levels many years ago. Then you hear about businesss, both big and small, complaining that youngsters (and before you jump, I accept not all) not up to the mark on basic skills, in some cases reading and writing, if you can't read, how on earth can you learn. All these youngsters leaving in that state, you have to ask one question, whatever were they doing all those years in school?
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01:09 PM on 02/04/2012
I wonder if he sends his children to the same private school as Ms Abbot does?
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01:07 PM on 02/04/2012
Stalin was a lefty who kept everyone "on message"
08:20 PM on 02/03/2012
I think Labour were in power for almost thiteen years recently - strange how Mr Lammy and his cohorts didn't sort out the "Education, education, education" call that a former leader harped on and on about?

Luckily Mr Lammy has made the above comments out of the House of Westminister, so I guess Gove is perfectly entitled to sue - provided he thinks Lammys comments are incorrect as they are not covered by Parlimentary privelege?
01:54 PM on 02/04/2012
Unfortunately you do not mention how awful the Conservastives left edication when they were in power before the labour party took control.

At the end of their tenure, results and standards had improved. Rotting classrooms had been replaced and support for teachers had improved.

One of the first things that the Conservatives did when they got back into power was to cancel the school re building programme. never mind the labour politicians who send their kids to a private school, it is very few, complain about the Conservative MPs who without exception as far as I know, who either send their kids to private or grammar schools.

They hate state schools. They always have and always will
07:36 PM on 02/03/2012
And in the tougher parts of the country they do burn out.
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''Tougher'' means a higher incidence of severe non-compliance which leads to burn-out.

Is Mr Lammy suggesting that higher turnover is a remedy?

The remedy is to address non-compliance. The Right want to restore compliance. They will fail. They will resort to subordination with the military and religion. They will fail and fail again.

So, what can the Left do? They could move to consent systems. One problem, there. They do not understand consent, for like the rightists, they cannot see beyond compliance.
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nete peedham
11:58 PM on 02/04/2012
"The Right want to restore compliance­." Empty political sloganeering. Compliance to what?
12:06 AM on 02/05/2012
Children who do not do as they are told are called ''non-compliant''. the system of discipline is called the ''compliance system.'' In many schools which are failing the Right Wingers want to restore compliance which is why you hear them talk of discipline, why the favour academies, religious schools, bringing in the military. They see restoring compliance as the solution.

Attempts to restore compliance have been failing for fifty years. They do not work.
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AlanDente
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07:02 PM on 02/03/2012
'They messed up the whole education system when they where in power'

Labour were good on education, and introduced holistic programmes including healthcare, to help struggling pupils and schools. The Tories are in the process of rolling this all back.

Lammy is in the habit of saying idiotic things, but he is right that we are going to see postcode lotteries in the near future. Some schools will be excellent, others will be awful, and some pupils will have to go to schools that will ultimately fail them. There's no fairness in that.
07:40 PM on 02/03/2012
Lammy plays politics with constituents of his who favour traditionalist discipline in education including whacking children. Recent immigrants from Africa share with old rightist Tories very old-fashioned notions of education. Lammy plays to that gallery while simultaneously being a humane lefty. Tricky.
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AlanDente
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07:55 PM on 02/03/2012
Oh I agree. His views on state-sponsored brutalisation of children (or legal smacking, as I think he thinks of it) are ridiculous.

I don't like him. But he is right in this one point regarding Gove's changes.

In typical Lammy fashion he's hidden this one good point in a haystack of idiocy, however...!
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