BAE Portsmouth Dockyard: Taxpayers Face £600m Bill If Closes

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PA/Huffington Post   First Posted: 5/02/2012 13:53 Updated: 5/02/2012 14:08

Taxpayers face a bill for up to £600m if defence firm BAE Systems closes its historic Portsmouth shipyard, it was reported on Sunday.

BAE has put its UK operations under review in a move that reports have suggested may lead to the closure of its dockyard in Portsmouth, Hampshire, which would put 3,000 jobs in jeopardy.

BAE stressed it has yet to make any decisions, but an industry source told the Sunday Times such a move could cost between £400m and £600m including redundancies and asset write-offs.

In a contract signed in 2009, the Ministry of Defence guaranteed BAE work for the next 15 years and is bound to shoulder the expense of any yard closures.

BAE employs 1,500 people at the Portsmouth yard, while a similar number of jobs are provided in support roles.

The Prospect union has said its closure would spell "economic disaster" for the local community at a time when highly skilled jobs were crucial for economic growth.

A source also told the newspaper that two other British dockyards - Cammell Laird on Merseyside and A&P Tyne at Jarrow - could also be vulnerable in the shake-up.

Both yards are subcontractors on the £6bn deal to build the new carriers, Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales.

Work on the giant hull sections for Queen Elizabeth are nearly complete and are being sent to the Rosyth dockyard in Scotland to be assembled.

But the programme could be consolidated at BAE's yards on the Clyde in order to plug a hole in the shipbuilding workload between completion of the carrier and work on a new Type 26 frigate, the newspaper claimed.

The Cammell Laird site in Birkenhead was established in 1824 and has launched more than 1,350 ships. It produced almost 200 vessels during the Second World War, including the Ark Royal.

A&P's site on the River Tyne is the largest dock on the east coast of England.

A spokeswoman for BAE said: "As part of our business planning activity, we are reviewing how best to retain the capability to deliver and support complex warships in the UK in the future, in line with our commitments under the Terms of Business Agreement signed in 2009.

"This work is on-going and we will keep our employees and trade union representatives fully informed, as it progresses."

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10:16 AM on 02/06/2012
Why should we close Portsmouth when the Scottish Indepndance wants to close the Nuclear yard in Scotland maybe the best plan is to close the Glasgow ship yards as well as Faslane and move them all south to England.
Why should we pay for the closure of English yards and then ask Scotland to build and maintain ships when they want to cut themselves off from England.
10:08 AM on 02/06/2012
I visited the area a couple of years ago, it is a magnificent sight to see. (What you can see that is) but all those years of history would be gone forever. I've no dought the government will fund a museum of sorts on the sight to keep the tourist board happy and all the coach firms who make money from the various tours around the town.
09:03 AM on 02/06/2012
This sad episode would not cost the tax payer a penny had not the MOD civil servants signed a 15 year contract with BAE. The government seems good at cutting the armed forces both in man-power and equipment but it is NOT the soldiers, sailors and airmen that cost the money, it is the MOD that wastes more money than it actually spends. If proper controls were put on these "Whitehall Wasters" we would not need to remove the actual "workers" who defend us and who lay their lives on the line. Can somebody quantify for me all the money wasted over the decades in aborted contracts, huge increases in the final costs/initial signature costs, travel & "entertainment" costs for the MOD etc etc ? We do not have expensive armed forces, we have dreadful management OF our armed forces. BAE systems and the like milk us dry and then hold us to ransom but they are well managed, private companies, our civil-servants could not care less, they get their salaries and their "perks" come what may. If the MOD was run like a private company it would have been bankrupt many years ago.
11:40 AM on 02/06/2012
Another case of civil servants and commercial workings being ignorant of each other?
08:18 AM on 02/06/2012
I expect this government will be pleased if it closes they can then sell the real estate off cheap to their wealthy friends and backers to build more luxury flats
07:17 AM on 02/06/2012
Oh well, it's only our heritage up the spout again, we can dismantle the ship and build a contemporary arts centre and a multi faith centre with the boats timbers, after all, the powers that be/media are slowly brainwashing people into being embarrassed and sorry for our actions in the past 1000yrs.
03:41 AM on 02/06/2012
As someone who has had the misfortune of working for them here in the states I can tell you what the problem is : BAE. Your country has probably allowed them to buy up a bunch of smaller shipyards. Now they are in a position to threaten to close down shipyards and put people on the dole if they don't get their way. BAE is doing the same thing in the USA. They are now involved in evry element of the defense of the United States: ships, armored vehicles, electronics, armor plating, cannons, etc. They have paid their way to a position in the USA where they can practically dictate to the Government; which appears to be what is happening in your country.
01:13 AM on 02/06/2012
Looks as if we won't even have a Navy either if this carries on. Keep the jobs,cheaper than putting people out of work & onto the rising scrap heap of unemployed.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
04:22 AM on 02/06/2012
I don't know. That cracking wooden frigate in the photo looks smack up to date.....
05:21 AM on 02/06/2012
Of course it is,probably one of the last built in a British shipyard!
12:39 AM on 02/06/2012
What next no Navy?
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
04:24 AM on 02/06/2012
John Lennon summed it up well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkneYSOs-b8
10:03 PM on 02/05/2012
it may be a cheaper option to keep this yard open, less claiments for social benefits, more tax revenue, an essential asset in the event of a war, a facility ready for use at any time for our countrys benefit , BUT OUR PENNY PINCHING POLITICIANS CAN SEE NOTHING BUT COST. shame on them On your shift david cameron you have emasculated the army /air force /royalnavy ,coastguard /police and the nhs. its a good job you have no control over such institutions as the lifeboat service and other charities.
04:26 AM on 02/06/2012
The blind politicians of the UK are so dumb they can only see the monetary cost of today, not the cost and loss to our country of such important facilities should we need them in the future. Add to this the cost of paying unemployment together with the loss of PAYE and NI and the sums just do not add up as I am sure it would cost a fraction of the closure costs to maintain it as a working shipyard. This is how politicians think!! short sightedness to a fault.
09:04 PM on 02/05/2012
This coalition government are only fit to take your money `but are clueless on how to generate it.
08:25 PM on 02/05/2012
well over the decades from the 60s onwards, the good old unions and all there expert advice have seen millions of jobs go, They are great at giving out advice to bosses and goverments about where they went wrong. Perhaps its about time they took over the running of these shipyards and investing some of the millions they have stashed away for there pension funds, which they took as dues from the workers, and keep there members in work with there funds. Because for sure they always know best, Ask the dockers the print workers,steel yard workers miners, car workers, and just about any other industry the unions and there strikes and greedy pay demands
got there hands on. And the time will becoming for public sector workers, train and rail staff, and sadly NHS staff. B. A. staff keep listening to these fools there jobs and pensions are secure, Yours well i would not be to sure. Best one this year Bob Crowe wants extra money for his staff,
during the olympics because it will be busy, know theres some brains this mugs got
07:48 PM on 02/05/2012
Now that we are down to the last rowing boat and have no military design facilities or repair/build dockyards there should be a spare corner where the white flags can be made up!
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07:29 PM on 02/05/2012
Portsmouth dockyard used to employ thousands; now that the nasty old Commies have had a decadent capitalist makeover, I guess we`re all reading from the same page (more or less). Not much need for a surface fleet as the present government will be able to get Prince William to don his `Super Willy` costume and thwart those cunning Argies; failing that his wife will be able to lead a `charm offensive` and the silly senors in Buenos Aries will be smitten by her stylishness and elegance and realise how foolish they had been. Failing that the spirits of Diana and Jade (Goody) will descend from the heavens and blow the Argentinian armada off course...

Back in the real world, there is no way the Royal Navy can mount anything much now except regional patrol duties against a `lesser` opponent, or a nuclear launch from a submarine - not much middle ground there. Portsmouth is the last place that needs job losses.
07:21 PM on 02/05/2012
The mere scale and diverse business interests of the BAE Group is detrimental to a shipbuilding industry that provides important employment and skills to the UK communities in which they exist. This is a global organisation and the yards are no doubt a mere footnote on their balance sheet. Have these organisations got no conscience? is this just another example of selfishness and greed that pervades UK business? If the yards in Portsmouth and on the Mersey and Tyne are planned to be closed the Government should pull BAE's contracts. And given the position taken by the obnoxious Alex Salmond we should bring back all the work to England.
07:03 PM on 02/05/2012
I hope this is just some sort of political bluster, i maybe cynical but no Aircraft carriers, Docks closing, a royal in the Falklands and using the press to announce ship deployments. Are we trying to provoke unrest in the south Atlantic. And i seem to remember from my school days that we are an island, no matter what the goverment and europe try to tell us we still rely on shipping.