Scottish Independence - Poll Shows Nation Unsure And Divided

Scotland Independence Referendum Poll

PA/The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 5/02/2012 12:00 Updated: 5/02/2012 12:06

The gap between backers and opponents of Scottish independence stands at around 5%, a new poll has suggested.

A survey for The Sunday Times and Real Radio Scotland asked 1,000 adults: "Do you agree that Scotland should become an independent country?"

Thirty-seven percent of those quizzed agreed with the statement, while 42% disagreed.

However, more than a fifth of voters, 21%, said they were undecided on the issue.

Of those who were clear about their opinion, 47% said they were for independence and 53% were against it.

The question asked in the poll is the SNP's preferred wording for the referendum question.

Asked about further powers for Holyrood, almost half agreed that there should be "a further significant devolution of laws, taxes and duties to the Scottish Parliament". A quarter were undecided and a quarter disagreed.

However, if the referendum asked voters to chose between independence, giving the Scottish parliament more powers but staying within the UK or keeping things as they are now, the poll pointed to a small majority in favour of independence.

The research was conducted by Panelbase.

The study also offers an insight into people's current views on how life could be in an independent Scotland.

It found that more Scots than not think independence would be good for the nation's health, education, culture and environment, but revealed a concern about the impact of such a move on people's pockets.

Seven times as many (64%) said independence would have a positive effect on Scottish culture than a negative effect (9%) and three times as many (59%) said it would be good for Scottish confidence rather than bad (19%).

More than twice as many (42%) think that an independent Scotland would be good for the nation's health than think it would be bad (17%); and people are also positive about education (47% compared with 19%).

Exactly half of Scots believe it would be positive for the environment, while 15% think the opposite. More than a quarter (27%) said it would cut crime while 17% think it could rise.

Forty-three percent of those quizzed predicted that their personal tax burden would rise under independence, while around 11% believed that it would fall.

Opinion was evenly split on whether the value of the state pension would go up or down.

Questioned on the European single currency, three-quarters of respondents said Scotland would be worse off financially if it adopted the euro.

Ivor Knox, of Panelbase, told The Sunday Times: "The economy is probably the most uncertain issue of the debate, and could play a decisive role. While even opponents of independence have some positive expectations of its impact on most aspects of Scottish life, an overwhelming majority of them believe the economic effect would be negative."

The poll studied the views of 1,000 Scottish adults between January 27 and February 1 this year.

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19:50 on 25/03/2012
What is this all about? Scotland never lost it's independence. The United Kingdom of Great Britain was invented by the Scots. The Scottish Parliament approached the English Parliament and suggested the Act of Union in 1707. The Westminster Parliament was an amalgamation of the Parliaments of England & Scotland - with the Scots over- represented and 'punching above their weight' ever since. (This is not a problem.)

The Union of Scotland and England is a great success story. We were the first industrial nation, we built the greatest empire in history and we won two world wars working and fighting together.

Breaking up the United Kingdom would be a victory for the narrow-minded nationalists, the racists and a victory for parochialism.

United we stand! God bless Scotland and England an amazing partnership.
14:09 on 06/02/2012
What is clear to me is that: Whatever may have worked for the past 300 years is clearly NOT working now. People of ALL the home nations are disenchanted and disenfranchised from modern politicians of all parties. Until someone comes up with a plan to take the majority of working people out of poverty (yes, you read it correctly) and breathe new life into the ghettos, then people will get further dis-illusioned and turn their backs on politics altogether. I foresee a future where only a quarter of the population actually bother to vote and the majority of those will be the 'haves' rather than the 'have nots'.
15:08 on 06/02/2012
You've put your finger on something very important here. If democracy becomes just a series of rituals in which fewer and fewer people decide from time to time which set of suits get to call themselves a government, then it will be a hollow sham. The question is whether we take the line (like many a little True Marxist group) that it is a sham, or whether we want to give it meaning by making elected governments a force for social justice.

As a democratic socialist I take the later view and have for some time seen Scottish independence as releasing the real commitment to social justice that is still strong in the country. The independence project seems to have kept more people engaged with politics than in England, but that is no cause for complacency; winning a Yes vote in 2014 will be the start of the story, not the end.

I hope that the spectacle of a state whose government actually works for the people, not with the rich, will get people In England thinking themselves out of the Thatcherite cul-de-sac they've been trapped in for over three decades. but that is in the end up to them. It'll be a long road back and its becoming clear that the Labour Party is not up to it.
15:26 on 06/02/2012
Very well put Bob, Parliament is far too bloated now and when you take into consideration County councils, City councils and Parish councils and add in the House of Lords, then you see the true cost to the taxpayer. I think it is time for something different and if that 'something' happens to be Scottish independence, then so be it. There is a 'togetherness' in Scotland that seems to have disappeared in most parts of England and in Scotland, that togetherness is inclusive of immigrants that have come here to work and set up businesses and the same togetherness may be the thing to get Scotland working again.
11:11 on 06/02/2012
Who will the Scots blame for all their OWN problems once they have their beloved country to themselves?For too long they have blamed England. Oh and what will they do without the british tourist ?I for one won't be visiting there once this division takes place.racism will be rife.
13:07 on 02/03/2012
You countrymen must be utterly ashamed of you!
10:45 on 06/02/2012
How can we encourage the undecided to opt for division?
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11:44 on 06/02/2012
You're doing a pretty good job right there. Keep it up and we'll be off, to accept responsibility for our own problems and take credit for our own successes, much as normal, independent nations do, all around the world. Reclaiming independence is not an act of war y'know.
08:56 on 06/02/2012
These are interesting results. Unlike some posters here, most ordinary folk in Scotland seem to see independence as a viable option, and are weighing the possibilities.

They suggest that the pretty concerted unionist offensive over the last month or so has failed to panic Scottish voters. Cameron on the referendum; Osbourne on EU membership and currency - and the Labour Party running around yapping at their heels. Not to mention Danny Alexander....do, don't.....

...and at the end of no-one is panicking. This is unlike the AV referendum, where people were dealing with an issue they did not understand (I regret it but electoral reform is still a minority pastime) and could be easily panicked by disinformation and then manipulated. No doubt the unionists will continue to try to use scare tactics, and no doubt it will influence Scots to listen more to nationalist arguments.

People like being treated with respect, as intelligent adult individuals. This elitist government will never grasp that. The more they use scare tactics, the more we see them for what they are.
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10:07 on 06/02/2012
You're obviously a 'glass-half-full' kind of guy, as the results are showing that the separatist rhetoric really isn't having the effect on the populance that they would like.

I guess it really will take a 'thousand days' for the polls to show an improvement in the SNP's position if they're going to get anywhere.
10:59 on 06/02/2012
We can all read results through our differing lenses, but surely the context has to be taken into account. You don't dispute that there has been in recent weeks a pretty concerted attempt to use the sort of scare tactics that saw off AV. The poll results show that has had limited if any effect. It may well be that support for independence is growing as people feel insulted; it may be that the scares worked in preventing it being higher. Or both factors could be operating......

If we have a rational debate which treats people with respect, then the "thousand days" could be a very positive experience. But I doubt on their current form if the unionists can sustain that kind of intellectual effort.
08:42 on 06/02/2012
An independent Scotland is almost laughable. Of course Scotland could go at it alone, but will they be as successful as they are now? I particularly enjoy the statements, "Scotland will be extremely successful when independent and the richest country on Earth blah blah". It is much easier said than done. Also, an independent Scotland would be in name only with its foreign policy set by the German EU and economic policy set by the Bank of England. As an American, I applaud the Scots for being so brave to even mention independence but having travelled to the island many times and seeing how connected these two home nations are, I can't imagine them splitting. BTW, an independent Scotland doesn't want to join NATO?! If that is the case, I'll stop drinking my scotch and drink some nice English Tea instead...
18:57 on 06/02/2012
How independent do you think the land of the free would've been if it hadn't been for us Scots and our Irish cousins? We can run everyone else's affairs but our own? An interesting position to adopt for an American if you don't mind my saying so!

You have also seen how connected the US and Canada are? Well England spent well over 600 years trying to help herself to our land and resources through fair means and foul, mostly the latter, and inspite of the disparity in sizes we maintained our independence down through all of those centuries.
Scots have a strong folk memory of this as is attested to by our sporting national anthem, 'Flower of Scotland'. Can you in the USA claim such a history of fighting to maintain your freedom and independence, if so you might understand where we Scots are coming from?

On what do you base your assertion that Scottish foreign policy would be set by Germany? The EU never has had a coherent foreign policy, where do you imagine with expansion to include former Warsaw pact countries that is going to change anytime soon?

Economic policy set by the BoE? Yes I did have a wee chuckle at that too, but FYI The UK central bank only decides interest rates since Honest Tony Blair made them independent of the UK govt back in the late 90s.

English tea?PMSL I suggest you google Sir Thomas Johnstone Lipton .
20:24 on 16/02/2012
As long as Scotland takes on it's share of the national debt (Royal Bank Of Scotland) for one but salmond seems to think that would be unfair.
09:24 on 13/02/2012
Do you take milk and sugar? The Scots are slowly but surely turning their backs on the established political systems. As an American you should realize that no less than 9 of the 56 signers of the decleration of Independence were directly of Scots descent. Also, the Decleration of Independence is loosely modelled on the Scots Decleration of Arbroath. When they get it in their heads to do something only a fool ignores it.
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01:49 on 06/02/2012
There would be no jobs in independent Scotland, so England would have to build a fence topped with razor wire and a sign that says "High Voltage."
02:00 on 06/02/2012
Matbe we could extend Hadrians Wall and rename it Checkpoint Jimmy....
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19:00 on 06/02/2012
The good folk of Northumbria will be delighted to rejoin their celtic brothers north of the wall?
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04:14 on 06/02/2012
Pray tell us how you have come to the conclusion that there would be no jobs in an independent Scotland, I look forward to reading your words of wisdom.
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ladameennoir
Child of the Reagan 80s
15:02 on 06/02/2012
Because Scotland is to UK like the "Rustbelt" is to the USA. No one wants to live there or work there anymore. Why do you think all the Scots move to the South of England where all the jobs are? The only reason to go to Scotland is to get haggis (yum).
01:00 on 06/02/2012
Rangers and Scotland.


Both doomed.
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12:06 on 06/02/2012
Lots of Scots would be happy enough if your first one was right.
23:36 on 06/02/2012
Just wait a few months. Happiness will ensue.
14:16 on 09/02/2012
Does that include yourself WLQ & the SNP.... so why dont u put it in your Manifesto
00:36 on 06/02/2012
I am intrigued as to the effect on the Armed Forces and the other apparatus for the Law and Order if Scotland becomes Independent, eg will Scots serving in the Armed Forces be made redundant?, On enlistment they all give an oath of allegiance which will obviously then become null and void, Will Scots domiciled in other countries have to give up their UK passports and exchange them for Scottish ones ? Peronally, shame to see them go, but if that what they want so be it, but it would truly have to be a complete split.
01:01 on 06/02/2012
Loyal Scots should be offered the opportunity to serve in the newly formed English armed forces, as special Scottish regiments.
01:59 on 06/02/2012
errr...English armed forces? Are we ditching Wales and N Ireland as well then??
12:39 on 06/02/2012
"Loyal Scots"? Loyal to whom?
02:08 on 06/02/2012
Interesting questions Dontholdyourbreath and I reckon you are right. UK passports will have to be given up, Armed Forces personnel would have to transfer to a Scottish regiment and those businesses who are based in Scotland but want to trade with England will have to sign trade agreements and pay additional import/export taxes I would think (especially if they are not in the EU - which is currently under debate). What will happen to their EU farm subsidies and regeneration grants etc - will they be stopped overnight if Scotland is deemed not to be an EU member in their own right?

Scottish universities would have to rethink their acceptance of quotas students from abroad if they are to keep the remaining UK students in attendance and the NHS, which is a British institution would have to pull out? Could be quite costly I think. What happens re the Royal Mail services - do the postmen just stop delivering until the Scottish postal services infrasturcture is put in place?

The list of questions are endless..........
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09:32 on 13/02/2012
No, only one question has to be answered. Do Scots wan't Independence or not? The rest afterwards is down to the result. Cart before the horse I think.
00:14 on 06/02/2012
Anyone seen Passport to Pimlico ? Might as well vote for the Tooting Popular Front, Europe rules now . . .
02:10 on 06/02/2012
hahaha Frankie - Passport to Pimlico was on TV just the other day-- BBC propoganda for a taste of things to come maybe??
23:30 on 05/02/2012
If Scotland want independence thats great, but please let it be true independence with no English tax payers money used towards health or social welfare, nor towards policing, employment, benefits, housing, education, indeed let the Scots pay back in installments all of these benefits that leave them with assets, ie housing stock, the oil and gas rigs and all previous drilling and research monies spent to accrue the revenue now being enjoyed, all structural government buildings, all services installed...water... electricity...gas...communication...TV...sewerage systems, in fact all the infrastructure enjoyed at Englands expense since the formation of the UK
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23:53 on 05/02/2012
Oh dear, think about it Scotland has contributed for 300 years towards the Union, now you want Scotland to pay for all the assets left in Scotland? England paid for the oil and gas rigs ???? is this something new, because as far as I know business paid for that and the UK sold the licence to allow them to drill.
You really need to stop being brainwashed by Westminster and start actually researching before making comments.
01:43 on 06/02/2012
Scotland may have contributed for 300 years - but it a net gain for them with everything that they have had back from the governament. As for the oil reserves I think, from recent information seen, that most of the reserves will be outside of any territorial waters belonging to Scotland if true independance is gained.

I did in fact research my information a few weeks ago.....
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AlanDente
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23:17 on 05/02/2012
Nationality and personal identity are complicated issues.

While some would describe themselves as straight-up Scot, English, Welsh, and so on, many would also call themselves British, or Pakistani British, and so on and so on. I'm British. My family are Welsh and Irish but I sound English (just to give an example...).

With this in mind, why is this debate being painted as an ethnic/nationality matter, when it clearly is actually just a political one? 'Scotland for Scots' sounds correct and a good idea, but in reality this is all just about who has power (and I don't mean you or I, I'm talking about which set of dodgy politicians!).

The real lines of division should be people who care about this planet, who reject the excesses of big corporations and who care about other human and animal life, and the other 1% who only care about profits!

This independence stuff is a smokescreen to keep us quiet, and to distract from the real issues of equality, fairness and global justice. And it seems to be working.
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18:31 on 06/02/2012
>>'Scotland for Scots' sounds correct and a good idea.
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23:06 on 05/02/2012
Under EU rules and independent Scotland will have to reapply for EU membership, a process that will take three years. While an independent Scotland outside both the UK and the EU will be able to run it's own affairs, take back it's fishing grounds and make it's own laws, EU membership will require Scotland to eventually join the Euro and will Scotland be able to elect 16 MEPs to Strasbourg like Denmark rather than the 8 MEPs it currently represents in view of the fact that both Denmark and Scotland have populations of about 5,000,000? If I was Scottish I would not want EU membership. As well as the Scottish National Party there is another party, the Scottish Independence Party that unlike the SNP is opposed to EU membership. Leaving the UK and re-joining the EU, frying pans and fires come to mind here.
As for the rest of the UK, some suggest that England, Wales and Northern Ireland will have to re-apply for EU membership if Scotland leaves. Being English, I say bring it on. It is time that all home nations whether united or independent are better off outside the EU, it's silly rules, restrictions and it's vanity project called the Euro.
01:44 on 06/02/2012
most sense I have read so far.....
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02:41 on 06/02/2012
Thanks, no doubt many Scots will vote for independence from Britain not to get rid of us, but to get rid of the European Union. Another part of the debate it whether England should get a say in the matter as well, especially as it may enable us to leave the EU without us having to lobby Parliament to give us the EU referendum that they refuse to give us. When they had the referendum on the Good Friday Agreement which was about how Northern Ireland was to be governed, the issue was put to voters in the Irish Republic as well as accepting the Agreement ment ending the Republic's constitutional claim to the six counties of the North.
I feel that the United Kingdom's power is being diminished by the EU and huge amounts of taxpayers' money is being poured into trying to keep the Euro afloat. Maybe we will all be better off breaking up the UK, leaving the EU and reforming a new trading block which could also include the Scandanavian countries which do not use the Euro (Finland strictly speaking is not Scandanavian and they use the Euro). Inclidently, if Scotland were to become independent and the rest of the UK were to stay in the EU, Brussels will demand border controls although Alex Salmond wishes to keep an open border with us. There is no reason why we should end the Common Travel Area that is the UK, Eire, Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey.
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jimbraid1
04:43 on 06/02/2012
I agree.
09:41 on 13/02/2012
As true as it gets. I agree with you and your sensible appraisal of the situation.
22:25 on 05/02/2012
Has anybody checked out Mr. Josh Freed's column in TheMontrealGazette.com or directly at
Joshfreed.ca ???
Quebec sait faire............chuckle, chuckle
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WillieBlack
18:48 on 06/02/2012
Now that you mention it....

no
19:24 on 06/02/2012
Why not, pray tell...... Trust me, it's a good laugh..
22:17 on 05/02/2012
Despite what the BBC try to do or say. Despite the rubbish coming out from Westminster. Despite the factless comments made on here......... "This is a fact", Support for Independance is rising.. Support for the SNP is rising.
01:47 on 06/02/2012
and I think many of us agree.....let's all have a vote on this please. My 10 neighbours are 90% behind Scotland being independant and I think we are pretty much the norm

We are born and bred Yorkshire folk..........
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jimbraid1
04:40 on 06/02/2012
Yorkshire folk are good folk, you would be welcomed as honorary Scots anytime !!