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Bideford Council Prayers: Praise And Criticism Over Test Case As Faithful And Godless Square Up

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PA/Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 10/02/2012 14:54 Updated: 10/02/2012 15:18

The decision by the High Court to ban prayers at a local council meeting has been slammed by politicians and faith groups, with communities secretary Eric Pickles the first to speak out in defence of the UK’s “Christian heritage”.

The test case, brought by the National Secular Society, could lead to a change of practice for public meetings across the country.

"While welcoming and respecting fellow British citizens who belong to other faiths, we are a Christian country, with an established church governed by the Queen,” said Pickles.

"Christianity plays an important part in the culture, heritage and fabric of our nation. Public authorities – be it parliament or a parish council – should have the right to say prayers before meetings if they wish. The right to worship is a fundamental and hard-fought British liberty.

"The Localism Act now gives councils a general power of competence – which allows them to undertake any general action that an individual could do unless it is specifically prohibited by law. Logically, this includes prayers before meetings."

On Friday Mr Justice Ouseley, ruled: "The saying of prayers as part of the formal meeting of a council is not lawful under section 111 of the Local Government Act 1972, and there is no statutory power permitting the practice to continue."

The legal challenge was launched in July 2010 after the society was contacted by Clive Bone - a non-believer who was then a Bideford councillor.

Bideford town clerk Heather Blackburn expressed "surprise and disappointment" with the ruling banning formal prayers.

But she noted that the court "has confirmed that prayers may be said in the council chamber immediately preceding formal business".

Ms Blackburn said: "We are very pleased that the court has decided in favour of Bideford that we had not discriminated against Mr Bone nor infringed his human rights and that the practices adopted by the council did not infringe equality legislation.

"We will be speaking to our legal team to consider our options, including whether to appeal."

Unless overturned on appeal, the council said its last formal prayers at a meeting last night. The brief ritual took the form of "two minutes of reflective silence" conducted by a Quaker.

Harry Greenway, a former Tory MP and ex-chairman of the National Prayer Breakfast, said: "I trust this ruling will be quickly reversed. If people do not want to attend prayers of this nature, they can stay away instead of meddling and busybodying with other people's beliefs.

"If they did away with daily prayers in the House of Commons - and I would not be surprised if an attempt is made to do that - there would be a revolution.

"Non-believers are not harassed in this way by believers. Why cannot the non-believers show the same kind of tolerance? I find this ruling puzzling in the extreme."

Councillor Pete Reeve, UKIP's local government spokesman, said: "This result makes a mockery of the Government's localism agenda.

"Local councils should be allowed to start their meetings in whatever way they choose.

"Sadly in this day and age it seems the minority that shouts the loudest gets their way at the expense of the majority."

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Speaking to the Huffington Post UK, Andrew Copson of the British Humanist Association welcomed the decision, calling the practice of Christian prayers in local councils and in other public bodies "archaic, divisive and inappropriate".

"Religious councillors, like any others, may wish to reflect on their own beliefs as they confront the duties of public life but enforcing sectional religious practices into what should be a neutral civic space is wrong," he said.

"Participation in the democratic process is not limited to those of a particular belief, and official prayer sessions of any variety before council meetings are exclusive and all should be abolished."

However, Simon Calvert, of the Christian Institute, a national charity that defends religious liberty and underwrote Bideford Council’s legal costs, described the ruling as "bizarre".

He said: "We are pleased that the court has said the saying of prayers at meetings does not breach human rights laws - but it is bizarre that they should be declared unlawful because of the 1972 Local Government Act."

“It is extraordinary to rule that councils have no lawful authority to choose, if they so wish, to start their formal meetings with prayers. That is simply wrong. The logic of the ruling is that councils would also be going beyond the law if they took a vote and decided to start each formal council meeting with the national anthem.

“There is no way that Parliament, when it passed the Local Government Act 40 years ago, intended it to be used to outlaw prayers. This case was brought by a campaign group that wants to drive Christianity out of public life, and the High Court has today given them great encouragement to take matters further.

“It is high time Parliament put a stop to this assault upon our national heritage. What’s next? Will prayers at the cenotaph end up in court? What about local councils that wish to formally mark the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee as part of their official meeting? Is that now unlawful too?”

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16:25 on 12/02/2012
The judge was happy for people to say prayers in the council building, even in the chamber, as long as it was not part of the meeting. This is because a council has no powers to vote for prayers at its meeting just as it has no powers to do all sorts of other things, as explained here http://wp.me/pfo1I-a3 with salient quotes from the judgment and link to the judgment in full. It's a legal issue more than a religious one.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
16:42 on 12/02/2012
Good link - thanks for that.
13:37 on 12/02/2012
So Eric Pickles thinks its OK to ignore Britain's secular culture and secular cultural herritage to pander to the Christian minority? I noticed Huff gave decided that we could vote on weather the UK was a Christian country or not but left off any vote asking if the UK is a secular country which it is. So Huff rigs bogus support for minority religions by leaving the secular majority vote off the ballot paper.
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11:34 on 12/02/2012
The Town Hall is being converted into a mosque next week.
02:53 on 12/02/2012
And the march goes on. But "atheists" will never be able to remove the constant evidence of the existence of God. http://atheistlegitimacy.blogspot.com/
13:46 on 12/02/2012
david tiffany
What about secularists (who are the majority) Who just don't care one way or the other, but just want to see all religious mumbo jumbo kept welll away from state business?
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
16:38 on 12/02/2012
Your blog, as far as I could bring myself to read, says it's not your responsibility to prove God's existence. So why have you come here to post? Why don't you follow your own advice and do something useful instead?

Unless you just came here to make yourself feel superior?
19:05 on 11/02/2012
Another band wagon for Pickles (the walking wheelie bin) to trundle on to, born a catholic,in which all of the Church Services were in Latin , I am now an agnostic.

I have no interest whatsoever as to what fellow citizens chant at whatever meeting that they are at ,be it public or private.

I have always respected other peoples belief ,within reason, but I have always believed that the two minute silence such as at Remembrance Day is far more effective and thought provoking than the parrot type repetition of some meaningless set of words.

I would have thought that in these times , that so called Charities would have had far more pressing needs for their donations ,other than filling the pockets of the Legal Profession
10:47 on 11/02/2012
If my doctor began praying for guidance about my condition I would lose confidence rather quickly. If he or she wishes to pray, fine, in his/her own time and place. Same for councillors. Make your decisions based upon an intelligent analysis of the evidence. If you cannot manage that you are in the wrong occupation. This ruling is not an attack: it is a return to reason.
22:53 on 10/02/2012
Non-belie­vers are not harassed in this way by believers. Why cannot the non-believ­ers show the same kind of tolerance? I find this ruling puzzling in the extreme." (Harry Greenway)"

Drivel.

Christians are constantly trying to get exemption from UK equality laws.
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nete peedham
19:24 on 10/02/2012
“It is high time Parliament put a stop to this assault upon our national heritage. What’s next? Will prayers at the cenotaph end up in court? What about local councils that wish to formally mark the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee as part of their official meeting? Is that now unlawful too?”
-Simon Calvert, of the Christian Institute

I have a website for Simon, because he cares about 'heritage' : http://www.heritagefront.com/
19:12 on 10/02/2012
I wonder why we call then "faithful". From my point of view, it's mostly "reasonless"...
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deluk
hot mess...
18:58 on 10/02/2012
The "faithful" fight back?, no the conservative traditionalists fight back, these people know nothing of "faith" or Christianity, they don't darken the inside of churches, (why would they, the churches are full of black people) they just identify with Christianity culturally, the EDL  in another guise.

Less than a million people attend Anglican services and I know from experience that the majority of that million are devout foreigners.
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AlanDente
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17:40 on 10/02/2012
"Christianity plays an important part in the culture, heritage and fabric of our nation"

Sunday shopping appears more prevalent than going to church. You only have to walk through any town on a Sunday to observe this. As a result, doesn't it make more sense for Council employees to discuss Pick'n'Mix during meetings?

I regularly go to meetings (for work) at my local Council. And I can't recall anyone ever standing up and saying 'let's all just bow our heads and ask the Lord what to do about traffic control measures in the East of the city'...
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Thismortalcoil
15:47 on 10/02/2012
You would think the Christian Institute would want to spend their money doing good works such as helping the poor and needy, not trying to make us pay for council workers while they chat to their imaginary friends, instead of getting on with their work.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
15:33 on 10/02/2012
"Non-believers are not harassed in this way by believers. Why cannot the non-believers show the same kind of tolerance? I find this ruling puzzling in the extreme." (Harry Greenway)

Because atheists are always trying to enforce two-minute lectures on Darwinism before every council meeting? We just don't need religion in our government. Do it in your own time!