Royal Bank Of Scotland And Lloyds To Announce Combined Losses Of £4bn

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Posted: 19/02/2012 13:00   PA

Britain's part-nationalised banks, Lloyds Banking Group and Royal Bank of Scotland, are expected to report combined losses of at least £4 billion for last year.

Significant losses will revive fears that taxpayers will have to wait several years before recouping the £66 billion pumped into the banks by the Government at the height of the financial crisis.

RBS is expected to reveal losses of up to £2 billion while Lloyds could unveil a deficit of around £3.5 billion, after compensation from mis-selling payment protection insurance (PPI) is deducted, The Sunday Times said.

The banks have had a turbulent year, with the country's economic downturn and the ongoing eurozone debt crisis hitting performance, as well as the ongoing bonus furore.

Lloyds, which is 41% owned by the taxpayer, received £20 billion from the Government, while RBS, which is 83% state-owned, received £45 billion.

While there has been some recovery in the share price in the last couple of months, both banks are close to 50% lower than they were a year ago, amounting to a paper loss of more than £30 billion for the Government.

Poor results will also fuel the debate over bankers' pay, which has been raging in recent weeks.

RBS has been at the centre of the row, which ultimately led to chief executive Stephen Hester waiving his £963,000 all-shares bonus.

However, Mr Hester is reportedly still in line to receive shares worth about £660,000 that were awarded as part of the £2 million bonus he was handed for his 2010 performance.

Lloyds has managed to avoid the bonus row so far after boss Antonio Horta-Osorio waived his annual payout due to a leave of absence.

Mr Horta-Osorio, who returned to work last month after taking two months off due to severe sleep problems, said he acknowledged that his absence had had an impact both "inside and outside the bank, including for shareholders".

Both bosses are likely to focus on what progress they are making towards delivering a better return to the taxpayer.

RBS has moved to strip down its investment arm Global Banking and Markets (GBM) amid increased Government pressure to focus its operations on UK high street services.

GBM, which employs 18,900 people worldwide, deals with a range of financial services such as debt advice, equity trading and mergers and acquisitions.

The restructuring will lead to around 3,500 job losses, on top of the 2,000 announced by the bank last summer.

The move was largely welcomed by investors, with shares up around 40% since the start of this year.

Lloyds is close to selling off 632 branches, a move enforced by the EU as a condition of taking a state bailout, after naming the Co-operative Bank as a preferred bidder.

The bank also announced 15,000 job cuts last summer as it closes or sells down assets across the UK and overseas.

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Britain's part-nationalised banks, Lloyds Banking Group and Royal Bank of Scotland, are expected to report combined losses of at least £4 billion for last year. Significant losses will revive fear...
Britain's part-nationalised banks, Lloyds Banking Group and Royal Bank of Scotland, are expected to report combined losses of at least £4 billion for last year. Significant losses will revive fear...
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08:07 on 20/02/2012
And the bonus's are still being paid
23:14 on 19/02/2012
If Lloyds board hadn't been so greedy, they'd be the strongest banking group in Europe ... instead they decided to pick up some "bargains" instead of doing proper diligence and ended up with toxic debts. I think that says it all about bankers - they just think they're playing some kind of game, because it isn't their money!
I have no doubt that they're making sure they don't make any profits while they're state-owned - so they can reap the benefits as soon as the government decides to get out.
22:46 on 19/02/2012
i suppose they will want my overdraft back now!
21:02 on 19/02/2012
Pumping public money into failed banks was probably Brown's most stupid idea, they simply carried on gambling on the international exchanges and inevitably those banks will fail again. In the meantime of course the bankers are pocketing what they can while they can.
20:29 on 19/02/2012
Pointless commenting if you're going to keep taking them off but,
Why do they keep rewarding failure? It isn't to get the best people for the job otherwise these banks wouldn't be in a negative profit situation.
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19:19 on 19/02/2012
I often wonder whether RBS and Lloyds, in colusion with certain members of the government, are depositing profits offshore in order to post a loss to the taxpayer. When the bonus culture climate cools down they can draw on their stash to show big profits to justify big bonuses.
It just seems that quarterly profit posts to the stock market are always positive to keep the country's credit rating intact, but when it comes to taxpayer payback, they are always losing money. It's just numbers after all, and the government is an expert at making up numbers.
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Shootin' from the lip
18:52 on 19/02/2012
Never mind that he 'waived' it, the mere fact that RBS boss Hester was due to receive a bonus at all, despite failing at his job, is startling and proves just how untouchable these people think they are.
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jessjesskk
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20:47 on 19/02/2012
RBS has negative net income because they have to provide for legal costs of fraud that was committed way before Hester was in place. Another part of the losses comes from the accounting for losses on european government bonds, a large part of which was taken by previous management. On the rest of the business, what is the incentive for anyone within the investment bank to chase business knowing that they will be fired, and even if they perform they have no chances to receive any bonus, which accounts for another part of the losses.

A CEO should be assessed on the incremental profitability of the business since he took office. Is hester the best guy for the job? Probably not. On the other hand, I wonder who, with experience and other alternatives would want to job.
18:50 on 19/02/2012
Just 2 comments :

1) Who signed off the top salary earners contracts that allows them to receive huge bonus's even when the companies make even more huge losses, the share price is reduced by half and they are laying-off thousands of workers. Every single one of these points is costing the tax payer more and more money.

2) They should not be allowed to dismiss the staff of GBM, they need them all to advise their own managers about debt problems !!! There must be at least one of them that knows something about it.
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19:35 on 19/02/2012
A little like Lansleys' listening process'on the NHS'....Say all you like'...But these Fat Cats' aren't taking any notice...Osborne is too scared to impose a Bank Bonus Tax on them because they are the Tory Paymasters...After all'...Turkeys' don't vote for christmas do they?..We should all transfer our bank accounts to more reputable institutions such as the Co-Op and Mutual Building Societies instead...Cos' it doesn't seem like the Tax Payers' gonna get their bailout money back in a hurry....What about a Peoples Bank?
19:58 on 19/02/2012
Its not a case of being scared, "they're all in it together" and its a con job on the British public, no more no less, if I had any money in any of the big banks I'd pull it, that is the only way they'll get the message but everyone needs to do it.
18:25 on 19/02/2012
If these traders are making huge profits that lead to their massive bonuses how much are the rest loseing and why?
18:18 on 19/02/2012
When I was employed I recieved a bonus at the end of every year, which was a small persentage of the PROFITS on the contracts I managed AS A THANK YOU from my employer, NO PROFIT NO BONUS, THESE GREEDY BANKERS SEEN TO BE PAID A BONUS ON HOW MUCH MONEY THEY LOOSE correct me If Im wrong.
18:51 on 19/02/2012
OK, received should be 'received', persentage should be 'percentage', BANKERS SEEN, should possibly be 'BANKERS ARE SEEN', LOOSE, should be lose and should have a comma after it, If should be 'if' and Im should be I'm. ;-) Apart from that I completely agree with you :-)
08:47 on 20/02/2012
Sorry about the spelling, not one of my favorite subjects at skool
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17:49 on 19/02/2012
the problem we find ourselves with is this do we trust these bankers to give us an honest fiqure or just one that suits the moment
17:41 on 19/02/2012
The financial crisis started in 2007-8. Banks needed to cut bonuses and dividends back then but instead they continued to pay the bonuses.

Banks need to go back to the business of lending money and stop the business of gambling and acting like a Casino.
17:54 on 19/02/2012
Notice that Barclays had profits of GBP almost 6bn, and HSBC had a good year as well. This is because they can hire good staff, have good risk control, and strategic business models.

RBS and Lloyds can not hire good staff, because at any given moment the rules could change, people can be shamed into cutting their compensation, or parliament can change their mind and fire everyone.

they were poorly run banks when they were private, and they are worse now .. this is because of people like Kenz thinking they know what they are talking about and forcing bad decisions upon parliament and the banks
19:21 on 19/02/2012
Quite right, but the banks should be getting money in then lending it out, instead they are all borrowing off each other, it's insanity!
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17:38 on 19/02/2012
Banking: where your bonus is inverse proportion to your performance. And there's no one else in the world who could do Stephen Hester's job better and that's why we need to pay him so much- says a lot about bankers doesn't it? Paid £1.2 million pounds to make a £2 billion pounds loss. Well done! Brilliant!
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17:22 on 19/02/2012
On the one hand the NHS is accused of inefficiency and waste so must be reformed; whilst on the other hand banks pay millions in bonuses for inefficiency and waste.
The PM goes to war with doctors and nurses to push through NHS reforms, then goes to war with Europe to make sure that banks are NOT reformed.
Makes perfect sense.