CERN's Loose Cable To Blame For Proving Einstein Wrong

Cerns Loose Cable Einstein Not Wrong

Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 23/02/2012 12:13 Updated: 24/02/2012 10:41

Note to Einstein naysayers - check your equipment before trying to prove the chief geek wrong.

A loose wire may be to blame for CERN's claim late last year that Einstein's theory of special relativity, proposed in 1905, was actually incorrect.

The theory states that nothing in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

It took just 2.3 milliseconds for light to travel between the Geneva and Gran Sasso laboratories.

CERN showed that the accepted speed of light could be broken by 60 nanoseconds, or more precisely that neutrinos arrived 60 nanoseconds too early than if they were travelling at the speed of light, breaking the speed of light itself by 0.00248%. Two experiments reached the same conclusion.

The Telegraph reports that a loose wire at CERN might mean Einstein is not wrong.

Sources close to the international experiment told Science Insider that the 60 nanoseconds discrepancy between Einstein's rule and CERN's finding, might be due to "a bad connection between a fiber optic cable that connects to the GPS receiver".

The first experiment was carried out between the European Centre for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Switzerland and a laboratory at Gran Sasso in Italy.

Scientific findings are not set in stone, and even at the time, CERN doubted its own findings. They agreed that the finding could be an error, saying that even the tiniest of shifts in the earth between the two measuring points could have changed the results.

Proving Einstein wrong on the speed of enutrinos raised stiff competition between the US end EU.

When the finding was announced, Jenny Thomas, co-spokesman for the Chicago-based lab's own neutrino experiment, MINOS said: "OPERA's observation of a similar time delay with a different beam structure only indicates no problem with the batch structure of the beam, it doesn't help to understand whether there is a systematic delay which has been overlooked."

In her blog on the Huffington Post, Anais Rassat, Astrophysicist and Science Communicator wrote: "Two main issues are that to measure a speed, you need to measure the precise distance travelled, as well as the exact time it took to travel that distance. This is no easy feat, and this is where the largest possible blunders can lie."

"And though we all want to witness a scientific revolution, it is overly optimistic to start re-writing physics textbooks," she said.

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Note to Einstein naysayers - check your equipment before trying to prove the chief geek wrong. A loose wire may be to blame for CERN's claim late last year that Einstein's theory of special relati...
Note to Einstein naysayers - check your equipment before trying to prove the chief geek wrong. A loose wire may be to blame for CERN's claim late last year that Einstein's theory of special relati...
 
 
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Ramkshrestha
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06:07 PM on 02/26/2012
Lot could try to prove Einstein's theory not right, but I do doubt on their success,
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one1byke
Easy no Man.
12:40 AM on 02/26/2012
"Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows what a photon is, but he is mistaken".

Einstein.
...Quite the Violinist, by the way...
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AxelDC
04:12 PM on 02/25/2012
They forgot to hook up the doll.
12:21 PM on 02/24/2012
Hey, I always arrive 60 nanoseconds early, but that's because I set my watch early! Remember the old saying, look after the nanoseconds and the minutes will take care of themselves.
10:33 AM on 02/24/2012
Me no speeky da engrish proper, and am daft as brush, so can I have job on Huff Post? Fanx.
majdf18148
I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
10:30 AM on 02/24/2012
Am I glad that's been cleared up. This matter has occupied my waking thoughts for some considerable time. I have read and re-read Einstein's theory countless times and couldn't see an error in his calculations. I think these latest scientists need to be able to disCERN the difference between a loose wire and loose theories. Anyway now that's sorted I can go back to what I was doing before this mess erupted....my colouring book!
10:27 AM on 02/24/2012
Still the price of prescriptions are going up, and heath care for the elderly as well as banks profits. The rich are still getting richer, and in the main scientists work for the rich. Is this relative enough..Our heads are up our posterior.
09:16 AM on 02/24/2012
And it still takes me an hour to drive 70 miles down a motorway at the legal speed limit!
12:41 AM on 02/24/2012
one day "man" will realise that all this suspect information is pointless, and is just keeping a "clique" in well paid jobs, talk about people with their head's in the clouds.
09:50 AM on 02/24/2012
So, would yo be happy to still be living in a cave?
11:06 PM on 02/23/2012
Never mind the 'loose cable' explanation, given the earth has something like a billion billion billion tonnes of water sloshing around in the oceans I think its a little naive to assume GPS measurements are accurate to nanometres. Today's 'scientists' are hardly the sharpest knives in the box.
10:31 PM on 02/23/2012
Get your head around this then: They, and I say "they" because of the phrase, the Big Bang! That's when it all started, the universe, so they tell us. So from this one explosion we are all born? But hang about; The universe is endless and there are no walls after so many miles. If you go off from this planet in any direction, you will never find the edge of space. So while we are told the universe was created from this Big Bang! How many other universes' are, or, have been created in other parts of this endless space? There can only be nothing or something; nothing between. So in this endless space, there maybe another energy or substance that does travel faster than light????
12:02 AM on 02/24/2012
Space, that is the three known spatial dimensions, is not independent of the universe according to Big Bang theory. It was not there before the bang. Nor was time. Some theories do allow for many universes each with its own rules and set of dimensions, but not within the 'space' that we experience.
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07:37 AM on 02/24/2012
they also say that space is ever increasing at a rate of millions of miles an hour. (well it can't exceed 605 million mph as it would exceed the speed of light !!) but of course when your a scientest you can do all sorts of things to move the goal posts. How they do this is to say that the boundary of the universe as far as the furthest stars go is still relatively about the same but every star and galaxy is in fact moving away from each other. Of course if each body was moving at a rate of say 10mph the time you have increased this millions of times the outer stars are in fact moving away from us (being the centre of the universe of course) at an alarming rate.... But don't worry as another theory sudjests the entire universe (ours that is) will stop and finally come crashing back into singularity. (We won't actually have lost anything for those of you who have bought plots on the moon)
08:01 PM on 02/23/2012
2.3 milliseconds and 60 nanoseconds are measurements of time and are meaningless as measurements of speed without a distance reference. And what the hell are "enutrinos"? Doesn't anyone proof-read this stuff?
08:34 PM on 02/23/2012
Nope! Never have - never will! What trashy content, presentation, spelling and editing!
10:04 AM on 02/24/2012
No, they don't proof read any more but instead prefer to use the cheaper option of inviting us to 'contribute to this story' by clicking on a 'send corrections' link. What makes me laugh is that they not only assume we are stupid enough that we would want to do their work for them but that, in knowing anticipation, they also say 'corrections' as opposed to 'a correction' !!!!
07:57 PM on 02/23/2012
Curious that nobody has mentioned the Uncertainty Principle, to measure speeds you must know not only distance and time elapsed, but when your subatomic particles were at the start and finish - which means defining where they are with some precision. But you cannot precisely locate a subatomic particle - it would be useful to be told what the Uncertainty imprecision in this experiment should be, compared with the deviation from c supposedly seen.
11:15 PM on 02/23/2012
Oh I did, but for whatever reason the comment was removed within nanoseconds!
12:15 AM on 02/24/2012
They are not measuring individual particles. They do know the start point and they do know the point at which a stream of neutrons were detected. They also know the time of generation and the time of detection, hence speed. They may not know much about the energy of any given neutrino.
07:40 PM on 02/23/2012
Of course Einstein was right - NOTHING IN ITALY ARRIVES EARLY - as any Italian will confirm !!!!
11:24 PM on 02/23/2012
CERN is nominally in Geneva though the underground facility spans the border between Switzerland and France, Ronnie.
11:50 PM on 02/23/2012
indlovubill - Yes but this particular experiment was a beam of neutrinos sent from Geneva to Gran Sasso laboratory in Italy , a distance of 455 miles and supposedly arrived 60 nano seconds early - even the head researcher at CERN Sig Bertolucci expressed surprise at anything arriving early in Italy - Dottore Enrico Fermi must be having a quiet laugh somewhere else in the universe .

Maybe it was the " wrong kind of neutrinos on the line " rather than experimental error !!!!!
07:27 PM on 02/23/2012
So? Is it to blame or not? No clear answer in this article, just speculation under a false headline.