Scottish Independence - A Quarter Of The English Support It, Says Poll

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PA/The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 28/02/2012 05:15 Updated: 28/02/2012 05:18

Just over a quarter of people in England support Scottish Independence, a new survey has found.

In what would be welcome news for Scottish nationalists, the latest NatCen Social Research British Social Attitudes Survey found 26% of English residents favoured ending the union between the two countries - the highest figure yet in such a survey.

The study suggested there were some signs of increased frustration about Scotland's position in the union, with 31% of people in England saying they "strongly agreed" that Scottish MPs should not be able to vote on English laws - up from just 18% 10 years ago.

The increased frustration with Scottish MPs' ability to vote on English laws underlines the serious need to tackle the "West Lothian Question". The government has set up a commission in order to consider this problem. Labour have warned that the inquiry "risks creating second-class MPs".

The number of English people who feel Scotland gets more than its fair share of public spending has also been on the rise, with 44% now feeling this is the case, compared with 21% in 2000. This shows the increasing level of debate over the "Barnett formula", which critics suggest gives a disproportionate amount of money to Scotland.

However, the number of people in England who believe this is only slightly higher now than in 2008, when the total was 41%.

Those living south of the border are fairly evenly divided between those who regard themselves as primarily British (43%) as those who said they are mainly English (42%).

And those who describe themselves as being English are only slightly more likely to believe Scotland gets a disproportionately high amount of public cash than those who class themselves as English. Exactly half of those who say they are English feel this way, compared to 44% of those who regard themselves as British.

Meanwhile more than half of people - 56% - believe England should continue to be governed by the UK Parliament, rather than by an English parliament or regional assemblies.

Rachel Ormston, a research director at NatCen Social Research and the author of today's report, said: "Although public opinion in England has been affected by debates about devolution in the UK, this does not appear so far to have translated into either a majority demand for a change to the way England is governed or to a widespread call for Scotland to leave the union.

"Leaving England out of the devolution settlement may create difficulties that need to be addressed - particularly funding and the West Lothian question - but it may still be the best way of reflecting and respecting public opinion across the UK."

A total of 3,311 people were questioned between June and October last year for the research.

The results are part of the 29th British Social Attitudes report, which is published in full in September.

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Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
02:52 PM on 02/29/2012
good riddance if the jocks want out, I want them out
03:20 PM on 02/29/2012
As already stated ... your opinion is irrelevant.
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07:27 PM on 02/29/2012
What if we want to stay? Just askin.....
02:33 PM on 02/29/2012
At present Westminster is trying to force the Scotland bill through .This bill is intended to take away some powers that the Scottish parliament already have. , they can't get this will through without agreement of Holyrood. Fortunately we have an SNP majority, so the bill is set to fail. Independence is the only answer to Scotland's problems..... Devo max or devo plus legislation and powers that come with it, can be taken back from Scotland at a later date. (if the Scottish government of the day agrees)and if we had a Labour government in Scotland they would certainly agree to making Scotland impotent again. Therefore Scotland's people should not be fooled by this offer of" jam tomorrow". Independence is the only guarantee we have, that no foreign country can dominate us ever again.
Richard Britton
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11:33 AM on 02/29/2012
can I move to scotland and vote for independence
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11:54 AM on 02/29/2012
If you want to, you can, yes.
09:59 AM on 02/29/2012
It makes no difference what the English want or think, its the people that live in Scotland that will decide on Independence.
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
11:02 AM on 02/29/2012
Well there's some clarification, yesterday it was the "people of scotland", today it's the "people that live in scotland", when will it become the"scottish people" or dont the scots elsewhere in the UK have any rights under the sovereignty of the scottish people.
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11:10 AM on 02/29/2012
The people who live in Scotland are "the people of Scotland." It is an inclusive term which is not based on ethnicity. The term "Scottish people," can be seen as an exclusive statement of ethnicity which is why it is being avoided in this debate. Scots who live outside of Scotland and who are no longer on the electoral roll in Scotland don't have any vote in the referendum, unless they move back to Scotland and become, once more, of the "people of Scotland." Is it really as complicated as some people (not just in here, but in places like the HoC) seem to think? Surely not.
02:28 PM on 02/29/2012
It also means many of the English people who live and are registered to vote here. Incidentally...... The one's I have spoken to intend to vote Yes for independence as they can see the benefits. They know they will be better off in an independent Scotland.
01:45 AM on 02/29/2012
Everyone of them are, I bet, "little Englanders" from Essex, Kent and the rest of the"home"counties! Perhaps, it would be more exact to say ALL the Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish want rid of them and will vote just to keep those "Northerners" above the Watford Gap!!!
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
01:38 PM on 02/29/2012
Well Well, the eurozone call us English "damn anglo-saxons",and the best you can come up with is "little Englanders", so thats why the SNP wants 16 yr olds to vote to foster the playground mentality, well a least you used a capital E.
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ScottishScript
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11:59 PM on 02/28/2012
When it comes to the question of Scottish Independence, the wants and needs of the English are utterly irrelevant.

It's not about them, it's about us and our future.
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01:38 PM on 03/01/2012
The thing is SS, since Scottish people pretty much run England at the moment, any independence negotiations would have to include clauses that compelled all those people to stay. Otherwise England would collapse.
08:55 PM on 02/28/2012
The English still have the same imperialist, colonialist mentality and want to hold on to the last vestiges of a past empire. They treat the Scots like 'Big Brother', who knows best, but really fear the loss of their 'gravy train'. They have taken the wealth of other nations and are still involved in wars, which everyone knows, is all about oil. They have enjoyed the 300 billion pounds of oil revenues from Scottish waters and have the cheek to complain about giving a mediocre grant to Scotland annually. With independence, Scotland will be a rich, successful country, free from the leeches!
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05:11 PM on 02/28/2012
"...Just over a quarter of people in England support Scottish Independence, a new survey has found...."

One quarter .... 25%. What an incredible coincidence.

That's almost exactly the same percentage of Scottish voters who voted for the SNP at the last Scottish parliamentary election.

So. 25% want to go, and 25% want them gone.

Indeed. What an incredible coincidence..

(Still ... as they're both minorities .....)
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06:55 PM on 02/28/2012
More than 25% of votes cast were cast for the SNP len. You're being a statistician again and we all know that statistics lie. There are even statistics to prove that ;-)
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07:37 PM on 02/28/2012
Sorry. Should have been a little clearer and said 'Scottish electorate' rather than 'Scottish voters'.

i.e. people who could have voted, as opposed to people who did vote.
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
02:07 PM on 02/28/2012
Ther's no need to jump the gun here, we in England dont need to be seen as the one's forcing the issue of seperation, it could weaken any advantage we may have ahead of any negotiation that might take place if scotland vote's for full independance, the Scottish goverment have a relaxed approach to seperation there main concern is one of financial autonomy and less interferance from westminister on how they can distribute there financies, if scotland vote's against seperation there position will be weak, the Scots have set the wheels in motion, political reform will be inevitable in England, but lets do it on our terms,tread softly, slowly slowly catch he monkey.
11:31 PM on 02/28/2012
Well that's news to the Scots. The Scottish government DO NOT HAVE ANY view on seperation. To separate the two countries would require lots of JCBs or an Earthquake to end all earthquakes. The SG is interested in becoming independent from the government of England. There are no plans to shove England off into the Atlantic. It's like this, in 1707 there was a country called England that had an English Princedom called Wales and, by an act of the old Irish Parliament also had full sovereignty over Ireland. That country, (we shall call it, "Greater England", for conveniance, signed a Treaty Of Union with another sovereign country called Scotland to form a joint parliament, The Scottish monarchs had ascended the English throne in 1603. This Treaty of Union formed, "The Parliament of the United Kingdom", because they had a common monarch. So ONLY TWO signatories to the treaty. When any one of those two resigns from that treaty then the other one is also independent too. The Parliament they agreed to share ends. There is no Rump United Kingdom parliament left. You cannot have your cake and eat it.
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12:45 AM on 02/29/2012
Scotland leaving the UK will be no different to The Irish Free State leaving the UK.

The UK will just carry on, business as usual.
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
08:08 AM on 02/29/2012
I said they had a relaxed approach ie; there not rushing into anything and neither should we, i saw the arguements on RET in holyrood and it was all westministers fault for the 50% tarrif ect, it would appear to be about financial autonomy and less interferance, if indepenance is accieved then so be it.

this about to get silly, last week the media's view was the nationalist v the unionist but that fell a bit flat, so lets ramp it up a bit we'll have the English against the Scots now thats better,we can use words like bannockburn, jacobite, none of which have anything to do with the act of union, there wont be any seperation in my view whether political or by digging any trench, more devolved powers looks the more likely outcome.
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12:13 PM on 02/28/2012
I'm not 100% sure about this but I think the highest percentage in-favour poll of independence from Scottish voters I've seen puts it at about 31-33%. It's certainly never been over 50%, no matter who, when or where the poll is from. The big issue is that because Salmond knows this, he wants to waste 18 months trying to change people's minds before losing the referendum. All that time, effort and money lost, that could (and should) be directed at improving Scotland instead of trying to blame England for all their problems.

And just so we're clear about this, I say give them independence. I don't care who's paying more money into the union or not, I just know that Labour would lose so many seats in Parliament that I'd never have to be burdened with them, ever again! Never having those economic fools in power again would more than offset whatever drop of income would come with breaking up the Union (not that I think that's true either!).
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Allyb999
12:21 PM on 02/28/2012
We are not asking anyones permission for independence the only ones to decide that will be the voting public of Scotland. The timeframe is set out to allow all sides to put their case forward. No one is blaming England for anything, the referendum is not about England and the sooner the English public realise this the better it will be.
You think Labour will never be back in power at Westminster, you are wrong. Politics are swings and roundabout and it is only a matter of time till the electorate get fed up with the tories and the only other party at the moment is Labour.
01:55 PM on 02/28/2012
I dont know how it will go but i hope Salmond win's, i have to thank you for making your opinion known without including racist ranting or ignorance, it makes a pleasant change.

I do agree with you re Labour, since abandoning their socialist politics they have no direction, no point and no hope. What is their message? more of the same it seems.
11:10 AM on 02/28/2012
Well....this Englishman supports Scottish independance..............just one thing though, if the going gets tough, don't hold their hands out.
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11:24 AM on 02/28/2012
If the going gets tough, it will be rumpUK holding its hand out, which is something they don't need to do right now as all Scotland's taxes are funneled through Westminster at the moment and its all too easy for them to cream the surplus off and keep it quiet.
11:57 AM on 02/28/2012
Are you suggesting Scottland is supporting England?..well there's only one way to find out........goodbye and good luck.
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11:58 PM on 02/28/2012
Chuckle, "Blindstu", here are a few truths for you. There has been around 50 countries that have become independent from the British Empire, not a single one has ever requested to return. As to things being, "Tough", consider this, The GERS,(Government Expenditure & Revenue, Scotland), figures over the past 6 years have shown that Scotland has had less from the treasury in 5 of those years, than she put in. In those six years the Treasury racked up a debt of £3 Trillion. So explanin how a country in Fiscal Credit is being subsidised by one in Fiscal Deficit? Note: Fiscal Deficit means a country cannot raise enough in revenue to support herself and has borrowed the excess - £3 Trillion of excess. Yet it cannot be Scots debt for Scots put in more than they got out. The GERS Report uses ONS, (Office of National Statistics), Treasury figures.
10:42 AM on 02/28/2012
Very interesting. "Meanwhile more than half of people - 56% - believe England should continue to be governed by the UK Parliament, rather than by an English parliament or regional assemblies".
Their inaction is losing them a great opportunity to express their independent identity and to have a clear out in Westminster.
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11:26 AM on 02/28/2012
I find it somewhat hard to believe that the people of England are so apathetic about how their own nation is governed/misgoverned by the Westminster clique. Can they really believe that Westminster is doing a good job for them? Amazing!
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jacksdad41
Quant Je Puis
11:35 AM on 02/28/2012
I am of the honest opinion WLQ that most people in England actually believe that Wasteminster IS the English parliament ;-)
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
11:40 AM on 02/28/2012
Now, Now, WLQ you wouldn't be trying stir things up here would you, LOL,
thanks for reply.
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10:10 AM on 02/28/2012
The FC etc have been offered more devolved powers of responsibility and control and still remain part of the uk, what more does he need? It is simple, no matter how much the FC and his minions bleat about added control of all things scottish and refuse to accept the offer made by Cameron and still remain within the UK and all the benefits that being in a united kingdom brings then it is blatantly obvious that the FC and his cohorts are not truly interested in the welfare of the scots, just his and his followers' power crazed ambitions over a very much weakened electorate. The scots should be made aware of this would be dictator's ambitions before they decide how to vote.
10:38 AM on 02/28/2012
.. and what's your view on the Isle of Mann? Oh, it's funded by offshore crooks and tax avoiders so that's OK
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Allyb999
12:12 PM on 02/28/2012
You really are sounding paranoid.
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Rupert Wolfe-Murray
09:06 AM on 02/28/2012
I've been working a lot in Eastern Europe and when I tell people "I'm from Scotland" they tend to understand that as meaning "he's from England"; a mistake I find quite acceptable. A bit like someone from Bosnia saying he's Bosnian and you thinking he's Yugoslavian. The more time you spend abroad the more you realise how unimportant these national differences are and how pointless it is for small countries like Scotland (and Bosnia for that matter) to go independent.
11:12 AM on 02/28/2012
Quote: "The more time you spend abroad the more you realise how unimportant these national differences are"

I don't know where you could have been that you got the impression that national identity is unimportant. Just look at the independent countries that have emerged once the Soviet yoke was thrown off.

Scotland has just as much right as any country in Europe to decide how it is governed.
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05:16 PM on 02/28/2012
Indeed it does.
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11:30 AM on 02/28/2012
My experience is pretty much the opposite. When I have told my Europen colleagues and friends that I am from Scotland they ask, "not England?" and when i emphatically say, "No. Scotland," their attitude changes dramatically. I don't know quite why, but Scots seem to be more readily accepted abroad than Brits or Anglos. I don't understand it, but I have seen and heard it in several European countries from France and Belgium down to Greece with all the stops in between.
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03:09 PM on 02/28/2012
west lothian questioner
I agree with your comment completely, and as a Catalan would like to say we Catalans fully respect and support our Scottish brothers in their fellow asperations for freedom. Independance!!! go for it friends, what's more Catalans and Basques will race you to it
05:51 PM on 02/28/2012
Utter nonsense - sorry but this 'we're loved around the world and you're not!!' thing certain Scots trot out on a semi-regular basis is wishful thinking at best.

You're remembering subjectively or outright lying. Either way your stories are worthless.