National Citizen Service Confirmed For Summer 2012 With 30,000 Places

National Citizen Big Society Michael Caine

First Posted: 1/03/2012 23:43 Updated: 2/03/2012 09:18

Ministers have begun a push to publicise the second year of the National Citizen Service (NCS), David Cameron's personal crusade to introduce a voluntary version of national service for 16 year-olds.

The project started last year, with just over 8,000 young people taking part in summer holiday camps across Britain, designed to foster a sense of nationhood and community spirit, particularly among kids from deprived areas and ethic minority backgrounds.

The government sees this as one of its major Big Society projects - and will pump about £350m into the summer camps in 2012, despite concerns that the scheme failed to attract enough people last year and fears that the project doesn't have a sustainable footing in years to come - when ministers hope up to 90,000 teenagers will eventually take part in the summer camps.

In an interview with HuffPost UK one of the government's key Big Society ministers, Nick Hurd, accepts that the funding model - which he hopes will be increasingly picked up by the private sector - is unproven. He insists that the NCS remains in a pilot stage, despite claims that the government is ploughing ahead with a project which lacks widespread public enthusiasm or a long-term sustainable plan.

He told Huffpost UK on Thursday afternoon: "We're still very much in pilot phase, refining the model, reflecting on it. We're comfortable that it's a justifiable investment by the taxpayer. As we get to the point where the numbers are towards that 90,000 and beyond, there is going to be a big issue of where the funding comes from, the balance of contributions."

But he says the scheme was highly popular last summer, telling us: "I've had emails from people, saying 'I've worked in the youth sector for 30 years and this is the best youth programme I've ever been involved with.' "

Hurd described the scheme as "very powerful and very important for us in terms of social cohesion."

This year up to 30,000 teenagers could find themselves on three-week placements across the country, which the government says will help them "gain valuable life experience and new skills, make friends from all walks of life and prepare themselves for their futures – while playing a part in making their communities better."

The cost to to the taxpayer will be about £1,000 per teenager, with the whole scheme expected to cost £350m. Critics of the project - including the Tory-led Commons education committee - point out that this spend alone almost exceeds the entire amount earmarked for the rest of youth services across Britain.

The drive for the expansion of the scheme comes straight from Number 10 - with David Cameron believing that the case for a form of national service was proven by last summer's riots in several English cities. The idea was given a big boost just before the 2010 general election when Michael Caine endorsed it, standing alongside Cameron at a news conference to plug the scheme.

It has plenty of critics within the sector. Michelle Wright from the charitable enterprise company Cause4 told HuffPost UK that there were strong arguments for spending the money on existing schemes, rather than pumping new money into a seperate one. "The persistent questions around the NCS remain whether or not the scheme provides value for money," she said.

"Last year Parliament recommended reducing the plan to a gold standard mark for existing voluntary schemes as a way of keeping the operating title, but reducing the cost significantly. This could then support the promotion of existing local volunteering schemes, removing some of the duplication of work currently made by the NCS."

Andy Mycock, from the politics department at the University of Huddersfield, has been a vocal critic of the scheme since launch, and offered this assessment to HuffPost UK on Thursday night:

"Many of the problems regarding suitability of NCS for young people from disadvantaged communities and its long-term legacy were identified in a Conservative-funded research project conducted by Strathclyde University in 2009. However the report was quietly buried and is now only available here.

"A number of questions need to be answered before the NCS programme should be expended further. Foremost is why the NCS pilot failed to meet its recruitment target of 11,000 or why so many young people failed to complete the programme.

"Why did the Cabinet Office instruct some providers to accept young people from ages of 15-18 rather than just 16 year-olds? Why were some provider organisations allowed to make a loss due to poor recruitment? Why were the implications of holding NCS during Ramadan (August 2011) not addressed prior to the pilot?"


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08:04 PM on 03/08/2012
OK DAVE WHY DONT YOU DO IT WITH ALL YOUR GOVERNMENT I HAVE AN EXCELLENT IDEA COME AND LOOK AFTER MY BLIND HUSBAND FOR A WEEK AND MAKES SURE YOU GET HIM FOR DIALYSIS ON TIME AFTER STABBING CARERS IN THE BACK THAT MEANS WASH DRESS COOK CLEAN
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:19 PM on 06/07/2012
Agreed. No idea about reality.
09:44 PM on 03/05/2012
cannon fodder
northern git
fed up with all the political crap in life
02:27 PM on 03/04/2012
teach soldier to police, teach politicians to soldier

swap them round and bingo so much money saved from Afghanistan you can solve the ailing NHS, the border control, defence and the Falklands can be protected should the need arise

650 of our politicians would be enough to talk the Taliban to death
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pepekitch
01:08 PM on 03/04/2012
What is meant by National Service ? modern day war fare is that what it is going to be based on because correct me if i am wrong but was'nt national service carried out in war time,getting them ready to go in the army ???????????? instead of comming up with unpaid work the youth of today need a goverment that cares and prepares them for the future,what have we got no jobs,no prospect of getting one,stopped EMA raised tuition fees, put them back of the cue of any kind of future,well one for sure NO HOPE.So i say get back to the drawing boared and come up with ideas that will benefit the young and not take them off the unemployment list for vote catching.i'ts not the army need you i'ts the future of our country.
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:21 PM on 06/07/2012
You touched the nerve - we need a government that cares.
northern git
fed up with all the political crap in life
09:54 AM on 03/04/2012
another posting disappears into the ethers

So the forces are to get volunteers, well we have policing for nothing, (Comunity Support Officers) why not military?

leading by example there is a certain building in westminster with about 650 ready made recruits

turn them into fighting men (sorry 'men' does not dound right) but send them to Afghanistan and let them talk the Taliban to death
08:22 AM on 03/04/2012
It's funny how the conservatives in this country look at their American counter parts all the time, its a case of let them eat cake by the looks of it, beware the middle classes the new working class, revolution is in the air mark my words, vive la revolution.
07:54 AM on 03/04/2012
Look at the smerk on that blokes face,here we are in a country thats been wrecked by bankers greed and the total lack of control by the bank of England and the government ,these people are still getting top salaries and bonuses while the rest of us are spending half of our wages on fuel trying to get to work and the other half on gas and electric with a little bit of food ,and when we loose our job he wants us to workfare ,the american system , then to keep anyone of the jobless figures he going to back to national service ,but you have to do it for free !

Tell me this when was the last time any ministers /mp,s did anything for nothing ?
Unless there was a back hander in it , or some free publicity ,
northern git
fed up with all the political crap in life
10:13 AM on 03/04/2012
Of course they are there earning (?) no getting, top salaries.

Cameron, Clegg and Milliband, between them get £1600 a DAY and yet they still want more

they want more, they should be shot for the way they have let this country down
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:45 PM on 06/07/2012
This scheme really proves that Cameron is totally out of touch with reality. Perhaps if he had actually won the last general election we could blame his supporters, but fact is we have an unelected government making rubbish decisions that we are all have to endure, while it lives in luxury! Why does that sound so unfair?
05:04 PM on 03/02/2012
‘’We need to get really serious about the growth agenda in the UK.‘’ Air passenger duty (APD) has raised this year. This sends a message to the world that UK is a difficult and expensive place to do business.’

‘’Job creation is a progressive project, and you don’t create jobs in the UK by attacking the businesses that create them.’’ ‘Leadership is about taking responsibility, not making excuses.’
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Michaelxx
03:15 PM on 03/02/2012
isnt this similar to what Hitler did?
03:36 PM on 03/02/2012
Yes they became Hitlers brown shirts, it was a way of indoctrinating them in to the Third Reich's political and social beliefs. But the same cannot be happening here can it?
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Michaelxx
06:24 PM on 03/02/2012
take a look around at the country. The people are kept at loggerheads, no money, the police are corrupt (check crooked cops on you tube ) the politicians are fleecing the public purse. Islam is forcing itself on us and the government is allowing it to happen...the people are fearful....The country cannot sensibly accept any more immigrants but they are allowed in. Our children have little respect for anyone or anything. Human rights so called have and are bringing the country to its knees.......we live in a military state but the people dont see that......etc etc etc
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02:08 PM on 03/02/2012
"Fancy Doing Voluntary National Service?"
Better yet. How about asking for fit volunteer OPAs to deal with IEDs in Afghanistan? It could work out more cost effective than trained dogs.

"a voluntary version of national service for 16 year-olds."
Strong swimmers only need apply, for the Naval Arm.

"a sense of nationhood and community spirit"
Travel to far-off lands. Meet new and interesting people. Then dispatch them.

"Nick Hurd, accepts that"
supplying firearms to the 99%, may well be akin to kitting out the Indians the day before the Big Horn.

"We're still very much in pilot phase"
Far too many of them, for far too few ‘planes.

"there is going to be a big issue of where the funding comes from"
Humm...A heavily armed force. All of Somalia’s resources.

"the case for a form of national service was proven by last summer's riots"
The standard of those rioter’s street fighting tactics was appalling.

"A number of questions need to be answered"
Will the cost of drones to subdue this new model army prove extortionate?
Will they be banned from bivouacking in front of Saint Paul's?
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:27 PM on 06/07/2012
You could attempt looking on the bright side, if there was one!
01:43 PM on 03/02/2012
Any body remember another former national leader in the 1930's, he gave them brown shirts for a uniform.
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:30 PM on 06/07/2012
Yes, but there are a couple of differences, they received expenses and Cameron has not sprouted a moustache.
01:31 PM on 03/02/2012
I wonder if Michael Cain is saying to Dave Cameron....." A £850 BILLION bank robbery through the city of London, In Rush Hour" Dave Cameron Replies " It has already been done in the last bailout"
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:35 PM on 06/07/2012
Does Michael Caine add, "But you're stuck on a coach hanging off a cliff."
01:30 PM on 03/02/2012
It isn't going to be like real National Service - nobody is going to drag them out of bed at 6.00 am for a 50 mile cross country march in wet and freezing weather with an irate seargent shouting the odds at you constantly and a bayonet stuck in your backside if you didn't walk fast enough.

This is going to be more " Little Darlings Army " - hardly a life changing experience !!!!
12:33 PM on 03/02/2012
another crazilly stupid idea from the tory / lib dumbs
trying to drag the UK back to the " good old days "
better putting this money into real jobs & education for these kids
seems to be another form of welfare to work ; which is so obviously
a way to get round the minimum wage !
Thought it was bad enough when labour were in power but this UK govt,s the worse i've ever lived under & i've seen a few
So regressive it's unbeleivable !
what next gulags for the unemployed , assisted suicide for the sick , disabled & the elderly !
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:40 PM on 06/07/2012
The cost of this scheme is around £350m. Money that could actually provide paid employment for thousands doing something useful in their local communities and, generating wealth to be spent within their communities. This is nonsense to maintain credible statistics, someone should tell Cameron to start using a fresher script, but I suppose that would actually involve imagination, something he is clearly without!
12:21 PM on 03/02/2012
£350 Million to be spent on 30,000...........that works out a nearly £12K per place....

How long do these camps last for?

Where are they located?
12:57 PM on 03/02/2012
I bet the whole thing is being run by a company set up by one of his old school chums ;-)
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OD4U
If its OK for one then its OK for all.
01:41 PM on 06/07/2012
I hope a few investigative journalists check that out. It might well be the end of Cameron if it were true?