Lib Dems In Scotland Reach Out To The SNP

Lib Dems Scotland Snp

PA/The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 4/03/2012 07:18 Updated: 4/03/2012 07:58

The Liberal Democrats will today open the door to working with the Scottish National Party to deliver more powers to Holyrood if Scotland votes no to independence.

The party suffered its worst results for a generation in last year's elections to the Scottish parliament, after the Lib Dems' coalition with the Toriews caused a collapse in trust for Nick Clegg.

In his closing speech to the Scottish Liberal Democrat conference in Inverness, Scottish leader Willie Rennie will pledge to make his party the "guarantors of change" after the referendum.

He will point to recent comments from leading figures in other parties, including Prime Minister David Cameron and former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling, and say that this "paves the way for agreement on more powers for
Scotland".

He will also open up the possibility of working jointly with the SNP, after a no vote, to deliver "a stronger Scottish Parliament".

Mr Rennie will say: "Be in no doubt. Other parties might say they want home rule but they are only taking their first, hesitant, infant steps.

"We will need to be the ones who bring people together and bring people along.

"We will be the guarantors of change.

"We have wanted home rule for 100 years.

"It is our job to convince people that a modern, outward-looking, positive, confident United Kingdom - a liberal country - will mean that Scotland can be modern, outward-looking, positive and confident too.

"Scotland with the powers to run our home affairs but proud to share the wins and share the risks with the United Kingdom family of nations.

"And so now, we welcome the growing clamour for change across Britain."

Yesterday, former Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy warned of the dangers of a "tribal campaign" to save the union, and called on Labour and its STUC allies to find "common cause" with the Scottish Conservatives.

Last month, Mr Cameron and Mr Darling both held out the prospect of enhanced devolution for Scotland, but only if Scotland rejects independence in a straight yes or no ballot.

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12:05 on 05/03/2012
Why the hell would Scots listen to libdum's, it's not as if we vote for them after all.
09:47 on 05/03/2012
Don't have anything to do with the spinless creeps. If they are corrupt and self seeking enough to support CaMoron no honest individual will have anything to do with them!
09:09 on 05/03/2012
Squeeky bum time for the Lib Dems!
07:01 on 05/03/2012
i say suck my big toe
00:36 on 05/03/2012
How can anyone take the Lib Dems deriously after cow towing to the Tories in Westminster and now wanting to work with the SNP.... Time the party should seriously think about bowing out of politics!!!!
Would also really like someone or group to have a serious debate about what an Independant Scotland would be like as the SNP bang the drum about living off of oil however that alone will NOT maintain the standard of living we already have never mind improve it. Seroius concerns aboout fiscal and many other policies and would love a serious debate never mind the Scotland/England debate that always arises!!!!
18:17 on 04/03/2012
So, that is it then. All the London parties have in turn told the Scots that if they want more "concessions" they have first to vote No in the upcoming referendum, and then who knows what they will be offered? Because no promises are actually being made.......

Aye right. The only reason Scotland has its Parliament is because the SNP has for decades been gaining support for independence. Voting No will take take away that pressure and give Westminster politicians back the power.

Those people in Scotland who are promoting "Devo Max" as`an alternative option in the referendum have now been rejected out of hand by the unionist parties. They have to realise that if Scotland cringes in October 2014 and does not take its independence, no-one will be interested in their ideas. Whatever arguments can be made in theory for enhanced devolution, it is now a trap and will be seen as such. I suspect that faced with such cynicism they will come off the fence and call for a Yes vote.
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20:09 on 04/03/2012
Well your getting there, thier actually showing the undecided that they're flexable, empty handed maybe but still a softer line, no more laying the law down, unlike the hard line SNP supporter who dont advocate Devo-Max, my way or the highway attitude, that will soften too,
it's all cheap politics at the moment, but sure it'll get better.
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20:18 on 04/03/2012
Can't agree. What they are showing the undecided voters is that they haven't got a clue what they want people to vote for. Nobody thinks the status quo is acceptable and thus far the only concrete proposal being advanced is independence. If the NO campaigners don't organise themselves and begin to present a coherent alternative they will have nobody to blame but themselves when they get no NO votes.
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17:49 on 04/03/2012
Why would the Scots who have a better system than the English and one of the big reasons for this is they dont have torries and lib dems give them anything,
The only real downside i see for the Scots is that their failed Labour MP's will not be able to stand for English PM. No more Gordon Brown yipee and Blair yes Scots they will have to try to ruin your system(if you let them of course)
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20:02 on 04/03/2012
I'm curious as to how Blair and Brown no longer being UK PM material would translate to a downside for Scotland. Surely keeping those two away from the reins of power can only ever be a good thing for anyone even remotely connected to them and their doings?
Blair is unlikely to ever try getting into Holyrood as an MSP and would almost certainly be laughed out of town if he did. G.B. may one day try, but for now he's too toxic to get anywhere with any such ambition.
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20:30 on 04/03/2012
Sorry i was trying to be funny.My point was that for the Scots independence is in their interest in all ways and that the English will get the benefit because we wont get people who in Scotland wouldn't get elected as a town councilor coming here and ruining us lol.
Personally i think an independent Scotland is a good thing as then countries can concentrate integrating together as maybe just a trade block to counter the US and China. I know at first glance Scotland leaving the union will break the Uk apart but if it happens a lot of old resentments will go away and we will become closer.
17:46 on 04/03/2012
Can you blame the Scots for wanting to be free of Cameron and Clegg?
Unfortunately the rest of us have to put up with there arogant dictatorship.
If Alex Salmon feels that he can make a better standard of living in Scotland who can blame him.
However their population could dramatically increase by the other UK population moving in!!!
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14:47 on 04/03/2012
Jam tomorrow, if the libdems are involved the best you can hope for is marmite,but when the scots vote no why offer anything at all.?
16:01 on 04/03/2012
tc-byrne. Their offer is another attempt to influence the Independence voting in Scotland. Whilst Darling has been caught out lying by manipulating public data, and no one in Scotland with any sense would believe a Tory prime minister, they are somewhat wasting their time.
As our first minister has said on many occasions and stated clearly , the questions on the referendum questionaires , will be decided in Scotland, by the Scottish people, and no one else.
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16:33 on 04/03/2012
Well victorganderson, firstly of course they are, and they'll keep doing it, and these are also the people of scotland are they not, and they'll do thier best to persuade not just the undecided but also the card carrying party members of the SNP, you wouldn't want it any other way in a true socialist democracy, would you?
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17:00 on 04/03/2012
"why offer anything at all.? "
Why not?
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17:24 on 04/03/2012
We're skint! we have even got the "proverbial pot" so to speak, unless of course you'd be
interested in a nice shiny battery operated watch, as well a bit of marmite.

now dont get me started.
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09:24 on 05/03/2012
Why not "really" isn't this how we got in this position in the first place,it's no more than a bribe, a form of vote rigging, "such a parcel of rouges in a nation", ring any bells.
13:11 on 04/03/2012
The UK is small enough as it is. Why make it smaller, but it's your decision not mine
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16:14 on 04/03/2012
The Scots are only 5 million and have gas and oil. They think they can live rich without England.
16:22 on 04/03/2012
stephan67.
I dont know about `rich` but most of us know we can live better and more wholesome lives , without the self serving, business and finance orientated interests Westminster government. Espescially this Tory led coalition.
Please believe that we have much more enterprise in Scotland , other than just gas and oil.
01:23 on 05/03/2012
"Only 5 million" happens to be about the median size if you look at a list of the population size of countries in the world. All the top performing countries on the indices of human wellbeing are - smaller or about the size of Scotland.

Big is not Better - Take a hard look at the mess the US, Russia, Britain is in.

Big is not Beautiful - Riots in English cities, broken Britain, etc

Big is not More Efficient - Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands,
Switzerland run - like swiss watches. Britain sucks.
01:17 on 05/03/2012
The UK is the largest population on earth controlled by a single, over-centralised government.
It is the size of population under one incompetent government that matters, not land area.

Every other large population country has a middle tier of States, Provinces, Lander. And that is the case even if you take the Parliament and Assemblies into account - they do not come even vaguely near the powers of a US State for example.
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11:50 on 04/03/2012
I'd like to have some jam tomorrow. I'd prefer to have some today too. I'd also like to have a say in where the jar gets stored and when it gets opened.
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10:53 on 04/03/2012
Ok for a hundred years the Liberals have been in favour of Home Rule for Scotland?
They were actually in government at Westminster in that time but what did they deliver?
Sounds to me like a deathbed confession, come the local elections in May we could well see them humanely put out of their misery in Scotland.
We are not going to wait another hundred years for jam tomorrow.
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10:33 on 04/03/2012
Olive branch, my bahookie! Once again, no mention of the powers in question, just jam tomorrow. We've heard it all before and we have a name for it - LIES!!! Time to shut the door on the UK and elect our own government and get rid of it if it fails!