2012 Budget - Osborne Urged Not To Strip Tax Relief From Pensions For High Earners

Osborne Pensions Tax Relief

First Posted: 10/03/2012 07:09 Updated: 10/03/2012 08:02

Stripping higher-rate tax relief on the pensions of high and middle-income savers will "catastrophically undermine" trust in a system already in crisis, a group of industry experts and businesses leaders has warned.

Proposals being considered by George Osborne to axe tax breaks will see thousands of pounds vanish from the pension pots of up to four million people by the time they retire, according to the 21 business organisations, pension companies and retirement advisors.

In a letter to the Chancellor seen by the Times, the signatories, which include the Director-General of the Association of British Insurers and the head of the Institute of Directors, claim that even moderate earners could suffer a £50,000 hit to their pension funds if plans to cut tax relief for people who pay the 40 and 50% rate of income tax are enforced.

The warnings come as Mr Osborne faces growing pressure from Nick Clegg and his Liberal Democrat party to accelerate the rate at which the income tax threshold is raised to £10,000.

Mr Clegg is pushing for the action as the part of his drive to ensure the wealthy pay more.

Senior Liberal Democrats have suggested that stripping the higher-rate tax relief on the pensions of higher earners is just one of the ways the measure could be funded.

In their letter to Mr Osborne, the signatories also warn that any attempt to cut the amount that can be taken out of a pension pot tax-free when someone reaches 55 will be just as damaging.

Under the present rules, 25% of a pension can be taken free of tax, meaning higher earners can take significant sums.

Lowering the £50,000 annual pension contribution limit - the maximum anyone can save per year while benefiting from tax relief - would also "send a message of no confidence to prospective pension investors," according to the leaders.

The money-saving move is another option open to Mr Osborne as he prepares his Budget.

The Chancellor is warned in the letter: "The UK's pension system is in a fragile state and with the crucial auto-enrolment reforms only a few months away, we urge you to resist any suggestions to restrict or withdraw tax breaks available to pension investors...

"Some in the Government are known to favour a cut in tax relief on pension contributions to the basic rate of income tax. As the previous government found to its cost, any attempt to divorce tax relief from income tax rates will only result in an overly complex set of rules."

It continued: "There have also been suggestions that the Government could cut the tax-free lump sum...but this would catastrophically undermine investors' trust in the Government not to renege on past promises."

Meanwhile, Britain's largest pension body also signalled its opposition to the proposals.

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph the National Association of Pension Funds (NAPF) said retirement pots should not be used as a "cash cow" to plug the public deficit.

The industry body accused the Chancellor of "tinkering" with pensions after years of "colossal upheaval" which has left confidence at "an all-time low."

It instead called on the Government to provide stability "so that people can plan and save with confidence."

NAPF chief executive Joanne Segars said: "It is tempting to think of 'higher earners' as a handful of undeserving fat cats, but the reality is more than four million people fall into that band.

"Our message ahead of the Budget is clear. There should be no further changes to the pension tax system.

"The Government should be trying to encourage saving, not putting people off. Treating pensions like a cash cow for short-term problems will create far bigger ones in the year ahead."

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05:06 PM on 03/10/2012
sorry getting dumped on
05:04 PM on 03/10/2012
Every one is always get dumped on by this government apart from thr rich
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03:47 AM on 03/11/2012
...er...you ain't kidding lol
04:52 PM on 03/10/2012
"NAPF chief executive Joanne Segars said: "It is tempting to think of 'higher earners' as a handful of undeserving fat cats, but the reality is more than four million people fall into that band."

Four million out of 60 million fall into the highest earnings bracket, well whoop di doo, spare a thought for those of us who worked damn hard for forty and fifty years on peanuts only to have our pension pots plundered by successive governments and none of us were ever likely to see more than 10 grand a year because we never earned much more than that, let these four million have their chance of not being able to afford food or heating in their old age, they did nothing special to expect any more than the average joe soap.
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03:52 AM on 03/11/2012
Correct'...But the pensions are going to be a secondary worry anyway'..Because people can't even earn enough now to live...If you ever make it to pension age after these beggars have messed up the NHS' and when you have to go private for routine surgery...But I do know what you mean'...Thats if theres any pension provision at all?
08:44 AM on 03/11/2012
There are less than 30 million working adults in this country so 4 million is a big percentage. Those 4 million high earners probably one way or another generate most of the wealth of this country. This wealth pays the public sector wages, pensions, schools, benefits and NHS etc. They were the people who stuck in at school, worked hard to get qualified, worked hard in their jobs and achieved success through dedication. They are not the people who messed around at school, smoked, gambled, went out drinking and have no ambition other than to have some kids and be looked after by the state, which those 4 million high earners pay for. I suggest you get a life a stop blaming others for your own mistakes.
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10:20 AM on 03/11/2012
I am sorry, you do not have a clue. I know, and have met, many very wealthy people, mainly investors, over the years, and guess what, most try to avoid paying tax, many take drugs (in particular cocaine), smoke, love to gamble (particularly bankers), and many have no qualifications at all.
Many public sector workers also studied hard at school, are highly qualified, and to be fair, are also clean living (doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers, etc). They pay their taxes and would love to earn more which would increase their tax contribution.
04:52 PM on 03/11/2012
Obviously you "stuck in at school", pity you learned so little, every single driver, smoker, drinker, nurse, fireman etc etc has the majority of their income eaten away by taxation, whether direct or indirect, we also have paid into schemes which were guaranteed but have subsequently been raided by successive governments since Thatcher, so no, I don't think the fat cat deserves any difference in their treatment. I've had a life but circumstances beyond my control caused drastic changes, however it sounds like you don't have a life and are sitting back looking at your pension pot after your "life" of abstinence and boredom and fear it diminishing, well hard cheese mate, welcome to the real world, bet you wish you wasted a few bob in the good times now.
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01:30 PM on 03/10/2012
What we need is a party with BRAINS,COMPASSION,FORWARD THINKING,NEED TO HELP ALL,TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESS,KEEP THE TALENTED IN THIS COUNTRY,BACKS REASEARCH,FAIRMINDED,CAN SAY NO AND MEAN IT,INVOLVE THE COUNTRY [ordinary peoples views],and who think charity begins at home,I'm sure people like that exist,or is been uncaring arrogant,only care about their own type,greedy,get on in this world.
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Fozwords
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04:13 PM on 03/10/2012
Utopia mate, it dont exist.
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03:23 PM on 03/11/2012
Aussie, aussi?
04:34 PM on 03/10/2012
& where pray are we going to find people like that,they are all in it for one reason & thats their back pocket,NONE of them give a damm about the likes of "NORMAL" citizens,only that they can fleece as much out of us & the sysytem as possible before getting caught,even then the penalty is next to nothing & within months are back on the same old fiddles,only this time being a bit more carefull !! rather than being blatant about it !!
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03:58 AM on 03/11/2012
How right you are'...Fozwords may have a point'But if you stop everyone from fleecing ordinary people'...You might get somewhere pretty close to Utopia'..But I do agree with esso man'...These fiddlers will be back at it again once the tempreture has gone down...IF?
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Lord Justice Wolf
12:14 PM on 03/10/2012
Just wanted to make sure I explained correctly. Family credit will no longer be paid to Families claiming it as of this April 2012 unless the second parent, the one not working goes out and works for a minimum of six hours. For many this will mean finding a child minder. In the East Registered child minders cost on average £23 per hour. This is probably double that in London maybe more. The parent must notify Housing that there is an additional income and how much. This amount less 15% will then be deducted from her payments for housing. The parent however can claim the childminding fee's from the massive pot of unclaimed child minding funding set aside by government. So in essence local government will benefit from say an extra £27 of the womens £36 earned but treasury foot the bill for childminding in excess of £1b, Childminding costs could spiral like housing and could top £2b?? These people could organise a pi.. up in a brewery.
01:06 PM on 03/10/2012
£23 an hour for a child minder lol Thats not very believable. I doubt many will have to pay £23 an hour as you advise and if they did the glut of chilminding demand will soon bring the cost down.
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Lord Justice Wolf
01:46 PM on 03/10/2012
Lol, try becoming a registered childminder? Call a registered childminding service in London and ask how much per hour before leaving ignorant ill-informed replies. This is the cost.
04:26 PM on 03/10/2012
I bet my daughter wish"s her childminder only charged £23 per hour the cheapest round here is £27,& that HAS to be for a minimum of 10 hours a week, if its LESS it goes up to £30 per hour "explain that one" ??
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Lord Justice Wolf
12:05 PM on 03/10/2012
They haven't seen what will cost them millions yet and in april the silly buggers have just cost the tax payers a billion? Recently letters were sent out to all low income families who qualify for family tax credit!! A family where the one parent is working whilst the other is bringing up the kids must now change that set up. The women must now send the kids to a registered child minder which costs in excess of £23 per hour for a minimum of six hours per week so she can find a part time job and shows she is working those six hours? However she can then claim the child minding fee's from family tax credit?? (by the way if she doesn't find a job family tax credit is no longer available to that family) Some of these families actually use there family tax credit to pay the difference for housing as the housing benefit has been cut. If she does find a job then say it pays £6 per hour. She is okay and can keep her family tax credit. £23x6=£138 which she now can claim extra. Aslong as she earns £36 which as soon as she earns it, will be taken away in housing benefit. The family are no better off. Over 8 million currently claim Family credit. Potentially this mess will cost an additional £1.1b to government?? Who thought that bright idea was a cost cutter??/
03:46 PM on 03/10/2012
if they can not afford the rent then move, it really is that simple. why should the tax payer have to cover their rent?
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Lord Justice Wolf
08:00 PM on 03/10/2012
Well that all depends on whether you have a mortgage or are renting. If your renting and have a job, how stable is that job? If you lose that job which this year is possible through no fault of your own, how easy will it be for you to walk straight into another? If immediate then hey, lucky you, if not and you have children who need stability then you may be forced to claim rent help? Now ask yourself the same question? Why should the tax payer pay? Bare in mind that while you pay your taxes that are fritted away by politicians who demand more of your taxes and spend them on wild parties its not the poor or unemployed who are the dregs on your tax, as one day you too may want rent help or even Mortgage help from the tax man who will pay mortgage help for 12 months and if you havent got a job by then, which isnt a sure thing, then you will be required to SELL your house and move to a cheap property that doesnt exist. What do you think will happen to your children then squire, split up in care homes? No of course not as your lucky to have family who may bail you out, but if not?? Think bigger than your own little bubble.
03:30 PM on 03/11/2012
Very erudite, ...the house next to mine has been empty for over a year, the asked rent is £375 PM, council tax, water/sewage, electricity, gas, on top,
I would guess all told nearer £475 PM.

Jobs in this area? you'd be lucky to get much more than the basic rate, (which the Tory supporters want to cut). Add to this the cost of fuel to get to work, probably at least £50 per week, who in his/her right mind would then take on the burden of a child minder, around here could cost, about £200 minimum. about a week's wage/

Do you honestly believe someone should uproot from their present accommodation and area, maybe London or another major conurbation, and move to the valleys of south Wales ? what would be the sense in that?
Even if that IS what you believe, considering the number of people affected, could you truly visualise the mass exodus from high cost areas to lower cost areas, where as soon as the drift was detected, an immediate rise in charges fore rents etc, in those low costs areas would ensue.

Get real pal, you are on very thin ice, your argument is totally flawed.
You have a typical Tory tunnel vision of the real world.
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Fozwords
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04:15 PM on 03/10/2012
Are you related to Lord Such, I thought I recognised the rhetoric.
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meddleman
12:04 PM on 03/10/2012
Quite how anyone can justify people earning over £100, 000 a year being given a huge government subsidy to aid their pension when people on much lower incomes are having their incomes reduced is completely beyond me. Anyone who earns that amount of money, and those who earn much more, should in a lifetime comfortably be able to save for a pension without any government help. What? They have to reduce their expenditure on luxuries? Oh,out of the question then.
01:10 PM on 03/10/2012
Its called tax relief. The higher the rate of tax you pay effectively the higher tax relief you get - Thats how it has always been, its quite normal and sensible if lower rate tax payers get lower rate relief why shouldnt higher tax payers get higher rate relief. I dont know 1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for the minority.....Bottom line if they change it all that will happen is the richer will stop paying into pension funds and they will invest elsewhere and probably pay even less tax. That will have a marked effect on everyone elses pension funds so cutting your nose off to spite your face springs to mind.
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Lord Justice Wolf
02:04 PM on 03/10/2012
Well if all pension funds end up like the one that disappeared along with that news mogul its a wonder anyone pays into them anyway. Rich invest into pension funds because?? Because they then employ whizz kids to invest with pension fund money in to derivatives that when they go bust leaves a gaping hole in the pension fund anyway. By investing into pension funds allows these rich pr..ks to have a big pot of gold to dig into constantly until its gone.
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Fozwords
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04:16 PM on 03/10/2012
Sounds right to me then the poorer will be even poorer, mind you the clods wont grasp your thoughts.
12:03 PM on 03/10/2012
We desperately need an Alternative to Tory Government aided by Banks and business running this country's policy strategy. Having personal debt is the Modern equivalent of Slavery. People are lured into taking loans, Mortgages, credit cards, etc and then find themselves unable to pay, and in essence therefore to lead a Normal life. Their thoughts are constantly turning to the Financial problems which surround them. Its no wonder so many people in the UK are taking anti-depressants.
People also become trapped in poor jobs with little pay, no Union support, Management bullying, threats to their future job security unless their Performance at work improves. They are currently enduring Wage freezes, high fuel costs,redundancy, The highest Domestic fuel prices ever. All this is adding up to Child poverty, an increasing suicide rate, mainly among young adult males who are in desperate straits trying to provide for their families. And we are ALL the victims of Tory Ideology and Propaganda which is aimed at keeping the 99% poor.
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not vote for the Tory Party. Their previous record of Abusing these nations will NEVER be forgotten. Now they are inflicting these same Monetary Fascist policies on England. It is up to us The People NOT to accept them. And to vote them Out at the earliest opportunity. .....Rant over
01:13 PM on 03/10/2012
Labour run by the unions is much better isnt it !! Havent you realised how important it is to ensure banks and business operate profitably to ensure our business's dont shut down and the banks dont need a bail out. All unions do is further damage industry as they have destroyed many before and then we have bigger dole queues, less business tax, less exports, more imports and less manufacturing jobs.
02:05 PM on 03/10/2012
So Cameron has not put 1000s on JSA in your mind its the unions ??? Unions do not cause job loses these days maggie made sure of that by changing the laws . Shops and companys are closing now because of no sales or no orders and some because of OTT H&S laws , We have got to put loads of gates and fences up because of then costing £10,000s if we was independent co we would not have been able to afford it , luckily we are owned by big company and they footing the bill
03:19 PM on 03/10/2012
Yeah thats why the Tories are doing such a great job at stitching up the poor in our society. Thats why Business is booming, Inflation is low, and every young person in the Country has a decent job, not stacking shelves in Tesco.
Unions when utilised properly have brought us the Minimum wage , which the Tories would love to get rid of. They helped win workers rights. They Protect workers from Draconian laws which these Silver spooned reprobates are trying to reintroduce. As for Banks , They needed a Bail out because they gambled with other peoples money and lost. And the Tories Fully supported the Bank bail out. And finally the Unions will NEVER destroy as many Manufacturing jobs as Thatcher did.
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02:40 PM on 03/10/2012
If we had an effective opposition that would work but we dont.labor and all those that supported TB and Gb are paid for lobbyists for big business.Ed Balls only ever talks to lobbying organization and gets rewarded for it. Get Politicians that have something to offer on both sides of the house.Cameron is Blair lite when we need leaders with ideas to get the economy moving away from stupid failed energy ideas like fossil fuels and nuclear power.Put curbs on private monopolies like gas electric and water.If TBTf banks are a problem so these giants whose raise the price of electric maybe 5 or 6 times the rate of inflation are causing diversion of money that could boost economy to helping people just survive.
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wendle
11:47 AM on 03/10/2012
What do they care none of this affects them as they are so wealthy, they have not got a clue, useless lot. give them a year living on the minimum wage or flat state pension or a good year fighting along side our boys out in Afghanistan, You just have to look at them to see whata useless lot they are. I could scream they make me so mad.
12:44 PM on 03/10/2012
Who "they"?
01:17 PM on 03/10/2012
Lets get the dole scroungers into war first. Id rather the government didnt all go to war and die. May be a bit of a problem for us !! Of course it affects them as you say "They are so wealthy" but they will still do it despite it costing them a lot of money themselves. Labour would never do that but they would line their own pockets like pigs in the trough and some torys yes.
03:26 PM on 03/10/2012
"Lets get the dole scroungers into war" What the hell does that mean? Send everyone on the dole to Afghanistan? Can't follow your drift. You on The Gin?
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Fozwords
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04:21 PM on 03/10/2012
I think all these people populating blogs should realise that there are as many Labour and Lib Dem Millionaires as there are Tory, no of the buggers care about us plebs, so long as we work and contribute.
11:07 AM on 03/10/2012
Please could someone help and do something to rid this country of the Lib/Dems?
They are useless no hopers and should not even be in parliment let alone thecoalition!
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Fozwords
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04:22 PM on 03/10/2012
There is a need for the Lib Dems, because if we didnt have them we wouldnt know how bad Tory and Labour actually are, VOTE UKIP
11:04 AM on 03/10/2012
When are we going to rid this country of the bloody Lib/Dems?
They are totally uselss and should be voted completed OUT of parliment.
10:40 AM on 03/10/2012
LEAVE PENSIONS ALONE ? IM A PENSIONER & ALREADY HAD A BIG CUT. GOT £5 INCREASE IN PAYMENT, THEN THE TORY TOOK IT BACK BY RAISING MY POLL TAX BY 3 TIMES AS MUCH. SNEAKY LYING ROBBING CROOKS. BIG BIG WORRY AS TO HOW WERE GOING TO MANAGE NOW.
12:45 PM on 03/10/2012
Poll tax??
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Fozwords
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04:23 PM on 03/10/2012
How many pension rises did you get under Dick Turpin Blair and Brown? None they just took.
10:29 AM on 03/10/2012
I get a good private pension and when I paid into it I had tax relief on those payments but I pay tax on it now.
If George Osborne takes away this tax reliaf and then the person is taxed on their pension when they receive it he is grabbing more again.
It’s juat another way of this government saying the same old thing, do as I say not as I do.
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wendle
11:38 AM on 03/10/2012
same here, you try to help yourself and then they steal from you. I am sick of it
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04:26 PM on 03/10/2012
Try working for yourself, you pay PAYE, you pay NI you pay VAT, you pay Corporation Tax and then when you think yopu are ok they tax you and your wifes savings at 22% is that fair and that was Labour as well as this heap.
09:22 AM on 03/10/2012
I have never known any government so intent on upsetting so many across the social spectrum as this one.

Whilst we all expect,... no, demand,... fair treatment for all, and Cameron tries to sell us his Big Society, it seems between the Tory and LibDem factions there is little true co ordination of policy, with Cameron/Osborne shoving one thing in our faces, whilst Clegg/Cable shove, what appears to be, conflicting policy.

If this is to continue for the next three years, I hate to think what the perception of the electorate will be in 2015.

Perhaps, following the demands of many on the Huff Post blog page, the time is now for a new election just to clear the minds of the electorate of how it wishes to be governed, and to obtain a clear majority for one party or another,untrammelled by such conflicting policy declarations as appears to be the case with this mess of pottage of a coalition.
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wendle
11:41 AM on 03/10/2012
yes I agree with you, but who the hell do we vote for they are all the same. Promises Promises and more Promises only to be broken
12:09 PM on 03/10/2012
You've got me there, all I can suggest is, we refuse to vote at the next election, create a situation where anyone can put up for election, and to enable that, stop this ridiculous insistence a deposit must be paid in advance of registering your candidacy.
Perhaps then more who cannot see an attachment to Party as being necessary, would get the chance to offer up a proper and reasonable alternative.
Give the individual an opening into government, taking away this faux 'loyalty' to a political system that depends on being a part and parcel of a defined and committed Party only structure.

Could be the electorate would opt for the chance to support a more open and Party free approach to the governance of the State.
12:08 PM on 03/10/2012
Yes scouse 55, I agree with you. Mind you I fear that a lot of the electorate don't even bother to take an interest in Politics, they don't even bother to use thier vote.
12:27 PM on 03/10/2012
Hence my call for voting to be compulsory. There are millions who would rather eat vomit flavoured ice cream than fail to vote, many paid severely for the fight to get the universal franchise, yet we still get a load of fools who think it a denial of their human rights to be compelled to vote.

The truth is, they are simply pig ignorant, and despite their often shouted attachment to 'democracy', by refusing to vote, they effectively are undermining any semblance of democracy.
We are required to do many things on a compulsory basis, pay tax, keep to the left on the road, not interfere with children, not commit murder or steal, but when it comes to a most basic principle and engage in the political process, many believe it a 'right' to act irresponsibly by failing to cast a vote.

It would not be so bad if the engagement took hours, maybe having to walk ten or twenty miles in blistering heat across parched land. with clouds of flies, and other insects hovering about our heads, which is the fate of many in other parts of the world, but here in the UK, a vote takes a few seconds out of our day, even less if done by post. But even that short spell of time is too valuable for some folk to spend on casting their vote.

No wonder we get the sort of governments we have had to bear over the last century.
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04:08 AM on 03/11/2012
Deb28'....Yes' and who are the first to complain when their jobs are at risk'...and they don't feel so cosy about their lives'?...You're absolutely right...Mind you'..You would have thought the threat to our health service might have woken people up?...But I happened to come across an item on here'...Guess what.?..3 Bloody Comments...Unbelievable eh?