NHS Reforms - Liberal Democrat Spring Conference Vote Bid Fails

Nick Clegg Nhs Reforms

PA/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 10/03/2012 13:49 Updated: 10/03/2012 16:14

A bid to allow Liberal Democrats to vote for controversial health reforms to be dropped has failed, the party has confirmed.

Campaigners against the NHS shake-up won enough support to have their "kill the Bill" emergency motion debated tomorrow at the party's spring conference in Gateshead.

But, under the party's alternative vote system, the attempt failed on second preferences.

Instead a rival motion on the Health and Social Care Bill that calls on Lib Dems to support the changes was selected.

That was put forward by Baroness Williams, who initially opposed the proposals.

Responding to the defeat for the grassroots, Labour's health spokesman Andy Burnham said: "This vote is desperately disappointing but the fight against this Bill will go on.

"It is worrying that Nick Clegg appears not to appreciate that the 'Drop the Bill' call is supported by a broad coalition of professionals, patients and people from all political parties. His narrow political appeal to his party will have disappointed NHS staff. It reveals beyond doubt that he is putting party politics before what is best for the NHS."

Benjamin Ramm, editor of The Liberal magazine, said the party could be punished at the ballot box for failing to debate the NHS properly at conference.

“It is ironic that the outcome of this crucial vote was determined by AV – electoral reform being the party’s holy grail," he said. "In supporting this Bill, Lib Dem activists have opted for armageddon: they are the architects of their own undoing.

"This vote, which looks like cowardice – and makes a mockery of Tim Farron’s claim that the Lib Dems are the sole party of conscience – will have serious consequences for activists; if not in the long-term (when the extent of privatisation becomes evident), then in the short term, starting with local elections in May."

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04:21 PM on 03/15/2012
I wonder if Baroness Williams has private medical insurance. Do you think she ever rings her GP and gets told, "Sorry doctor can't see you until a week next Tuesday". Or god forbid the poor old biddy had a fall and broke a hip, would she "THE BARONESS WILLIAMS",ever have to wait her turn in the five hour Que in accident and emergency with the general public, riff raff, and nae-do-wells.

I doubt it very much.
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Norman Mitchison
12:58 PM on 03/11/2012
Natural history museum has reserved plinths in the Dinosaur section for Libdem leaders.
12:31 PM on 03/11/2012
Wouldn't it be nice if the British electorate could be given the option to express their wishes on what should happen to the NHS rather than 700 or so MPs who may have other axes to grind?

This is the second time of trying to post a comment... is this less offensive?
04:30 PM on 03/15/2012
I hope you're not suggesting that our MP's aren't all men, women and ? of the people, and are out of touch with reality.

I'll have you know that David Cameron actually saw a poor person the other day. His driver was just letting him out of his Bentley at his tailors when he almost brushed against a poor person..

Well no, not a real poor person, it was a very successful city banker, but he's poor compared to the Cameron's.
11:45 AM on 03/11/2012
A vote of no confidence is the only way out,they should not be allowed to continue making a bigger mess of the country for another three years, further more the people who started it and paid for it in the first place,should not be expected to pay again, the best treatment should be free for all white true british people, they should come first, before any foreigners and tourests,but that is not possible under this TRAITOROUS shower we call a Government, these people don`t count any more, the politicans have stolen enough money to buy the best health care.
10:58 AM on 03/11/2012
The government are marketing their NHS reforms wrongly. They should have offered cheap shares in a name for this new company named something like "British Health" plc and then given away £2000 for just £900 of purchased shares.

Just as those of you who remember those British Gas advertisements of 1986 when the man on the rowing boat said "Tell Sid", we could have a new advertisment "Tell Sid that the ambulance will be another hour but if he has £300 spare we can get him to the hospital in 30 minutes but he will still have to wait for a doctor".

Would I be considered so terribly cynical if I suggested that most would be thinking of the money to be made on their shares rather than the future health service for themselves or for their children? After all, how many of you thought about the British method of privatization and the wonders of free enterprise as it now works in our Energy Market?

Surely, not all of you could have been that stupid way back in 1986 or perhaps one can blame Maggy's Sun newspaper for such lack of foresight.
12:10 PM on 03/11/2012
Cynical far from it, one of the short comings of the share system is that a lot of the holders of shares are in it for short term profit and have no intrest in the long term future of what ever company they hold the shares in. That's what happend with British Gas and they knew it would, lots of small share holders with no say cashing in their shares and being bought up by the big multi nationals thus resulting in private ownership by foriegn companys.
03:58 PM on 03/11/2012
A question I asked at the time, I will repeat... If there were no power stations, no national grids in electricity or gas, no telephone lines or exchanges, how much would each cost to install and get up and running?

The reason I asked was because I was trying to gauge the cost against that which these utilities were sold off for.

When a power station, especially a nuke type, generating electricity on it's own can cost several billion to build and run, and there are quite a few, meaning a tidy overall sum, add to that the distribution of power, with all the cables, pylons, (a lot underground especially in the major cities and more densely populated areas) across the length and breadth of the country, all the transformers and other controlling points, I am doubtful that starting from scratch, those who bought up the shares, could have truly paid for what they received.

The same applies to telephones, and gas, the infrastructure for each placed there by US the taxpayers, over a few generations, run and maintained at OUR expense,, went to private ownership, without a single thought as to the original taxpayers capitalisation.

It was for that alone, that Thatcher should have been tried for theft. Much like if you neighbour sold you car without your express permission, and only got the cost of the front windscreen and the tyres.
10:44 AM on 03/11/2012
We should do what the Dutch do if you earn over a certain amount its not free you pay for your treatment and we should add to that if you are not a UK citizen you pay.We should not treat medical tourists either.
10:32 AM on 03/11/2012
Much has been written about these NHS reforms and yet the public at large know very little. There are a lot of grey areas that need clarification. The bill in itself is a disaster waiting to happen,quite a number of hospitals will face closure and all of us will have to travel much further for treatment. This is only the beginning of quite some radical changes, it is the equivalent of breaking a nut with a sledge hammer or changing which side of the road we drive. The fact is that all the three major parties have failed the electorate miserably. The tories have wanted to change the NHS since Margaret Thatcher time, it must be remebered that this has been made possible with the help of the Liberal Democrats as the tories were not voted in power at the last general election.The Liberal Democrats will be decimated at the next general election as all the changes and not all for the better will come clear and affect hospitalisation for a large number of the population. There is alway a solution vote the present government out of power and give labour the opportunity to show their true colours and see whether the NHs bill will be repealed in its present form.
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09:56 AM on 03/11/2012
A bid to allow Liberal Democrats to vote for controversial health reforms to be dropped has failed, the party has confirmed.

Campaigners against the NHS shake-up won enough support to have their "kill the Bill" emergency motion debated tomorrow at the party's spring conference in Gateshead
VERY DEMOCRATIC who would want to join a party that steamrollers its way through social obligations? Are the LIB/DEM hierachy so desperate to continue being the lapdogs of the Tories. Is this minority coalition going to get awy with wrecking the country for ever?
11:16 AM on 03/11/2012
desperate, very much so. burnham and williams have just been on the telly and have both suggested that will back the bill. this is despite the delegates voting overwhelmingly against the williams propsal. now where does the lib/dem supporter stand? they will hopefully leave the party in droves.
09:54 AM on 03/11/2012
well i think as time as gone on and not just from these 2 parties labour are also to blame NHS will soon be running under the USA flag private insurance or no medical help they estimate they are 70 million Americans who have no medical cover they go to charity hospitals or don't go at all just suffer
onto one more subject i have just a old man down 3 houses from me 63 years of age just been hounded by the tax-man for 14 months over under-payment of tax wrong tax code he as to pay back at £20 a week? Yet i just read something last week about Barclays bank under-paying tax by 500 million pounds through tax avoidance measures which are legal really makes you wonder?
09:49 AM on 03/11/2012
Useless Cleegg
09:24 AM on 03/11/2012
what this will mean is that ANY hospital can bid for the work to be done at their hospital.
There is a national tariff for certain operations, so again we come down to this:- Fit patients will be done in the private hospitals because they are money makers, the more unwell and unfit patients, the surgeries that are loss makers (there are a lot of them) will all be forced to be done in the NHS hospitals, which in turn will make the whole crisis worse.
09:12 AM on 03/11/2012
What do you expect Hitler had his Brown shirts and C.Ae.MORON has his brown tongues and the way things are going both dictatorships.
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08:03 AM on 03/11/2012
I voted Libe Dem for the first time ever in the last election, as I thought they deserved a chance....Boy was I wrong !. They abused my vote and used it to bargin with the Devil and thats just not on in my books. Never Never again, they cannot be trusted !.
11:05 AM on 03/11/2012
You are not alone. I made the same mistake. I didn't realise that on the inside of all the rhetoric Clegg spouted about democracy, social equality and protecting public services as soon as he got his feet in the door he would turn out to be just another on the make neo Tory.
04:46 AM on 03/11/2012
Another guarantee that the Liberals will never be trusted again. Cling on to your little bit of power while it lasts Mr.Clegg ......