Tanni Grey-Thompson, Former Paralympian, Reveals She Was Forced To Crawl Off A Train

The Huffington Post UK  |  By Posted: 26/03/2012 17:10 Updated: 27/03/2012 17:28

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Former Paralympian Baroness Grey-Thompson has revealed to Channel 4 News that she recently had to crawl off a train unassisted, prompting the question of whether Britain does enough to assist the disabled.

In an interview with Channel 4, Baroness Grey-Thompson described an "element of fear" in many of the country's disabled when using public transport.

A recent incident resulted in Grey-Thompson having to get out of her wheelchair, throw her chair off the train and crawl off herself.

"I'm ok because I can do that - but there's an awful lot of people who can't do that," Grey-Thompson said.

"And you can't rely on having someone travelling with you - because actually, why as a disabled person should you have someone travelling with you – or relying on a booking system that mostly works, but a lot of disabled people are very reluctant to use trains, because you can't guarantee you'll be met at the other end every time."

With the 2012 Paralympics only months away, equality for the disabled will come to the forefront of discussion and Grey-Thompson's revelations only add to an impression of a lack of provisions for the handicapped population on transport.

Baroness Grey-Thompson is Great Britain's most decorated athlete, with 16 Paralympic medals

Currently, train companies advises that those who will need help give 24 hours prior notice to the relevant stations to ensure they receive the best care, through a system that allows the train company to analyse the logic of their proposed journey and offer a better, or more convenient, route. It is not essential that disabled passengers go through this process, however.

Ahead of the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games, where there will be a vast increase in the use of public transport, it is likely that the difficulty in travelling for the handicapped will also increase.

However, there are signs that this may not always be the case. The Green Party's London mayoral candidate Jenny Jones has pledged to increase the number of accessible Tube stations, currently at 64, close to 90, one third of the total 270, by 2018.

"Actually, our public transport system for non-disabled people in this country is pretty good," Grey-Thompson added.

"And what I want to see is lots and lots more disabled people using it, but unless there's some massive changes - not only to the equipment but to staff training, we're not going to get more disabled people using public transport."

When asked whether the rail network is doing enough for its disabled passengers, a spokesman for the Association of Train Operating Companies said: "Train companies are committed to providing the service disabled passengers expect and deserve.

"We have recently introduced a new assistance booking system designed with input from disabled passenger groups that is leading to improved levels of overall customer satisfaction.

"We will continue to invest in improvements and are committed to increasing access to rail for disabled passengers."

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Former Paralympian Baroness Grey-Thompson has revealed to Channel 4 News that she recently had to crawl off a train unassisted, prompting the question of whether Britain does enough to assist the disa...
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01:28 AM on 03/28/2012
If the morons in the government paid people to design trains properly, instead of wasting tens of billions of pounds on a pointless religious ceremony known as the Olympics and the Para-Olympics, there would not be a problem.

In the past, the most respected people in the country were talented people who invented things to make the life of others more pleasant. Nowadays the religious extremists in government seem to be intent on just getting people to worship savages for running fast, for playing football, or for being attention-seeking harlots.
10:14 AM on 03/27/2012
It is not just public transport that is lacking when it comes to the needs of disabled people. Employers are generally not all thet either. I live with seizures which for most part is a hidden condition but many employers will not employ people with a disablity as we are deemed a drain on the workplace.

In the workplace I have had to live with people putting nappies on my desk, being escourted to the loo by male and female colleagues and not allowed to lock the door, canteen refusing to serve me in china cups there had to use poly cups. banned from using stairs - these are just a few examples of what my colleagues and managers have done and when I complain I'm told to stop moaning if I want to keep my job.

On the whole friends have been very supportive but I wish society as a whole would understand that we are human with needs and feelings like the majority of them.

I have lost count of the times I have been left in tears by thoughtless comments or indeed the times that whilst being out and having a seizure some 'nice' member of the public has nicked my bag!!!!!!
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denspark1560
10:59 AM on 03/27/2012
i don't mean to be insensitive, I'm a wheelchair user myself and I've experienced the usual crap of someone talking to my helper and not me, etc., etc. But surely some of these rules are for a reason. Most are stupid and offensive, I agree, but the one regarding stairs could well be an insurance issue. If you took a seizure and fell down them maybe your employer would be held responsible for not taking precautions.

I often see young kids who take seizures and are made to wear safety helmets. I often think this is degrading but I can see the reasoning behind it.
03:08 PM on 03/27/2012
I do agree with the stairs being a possible insurance issue. One of my managers did suggest wearing a helmet which both myself and the Dr told him where to put. My general point I was trying to make and obviously failled to was that discrimination toward disabled people is rife within society today. It does not make headlines like other forms of discrimination so people either think its ok to do it or just think it doesn't exist.
08:48 AM on 03/27/2012
These things only ever come into public light when it affects a person of relative importance.
Most people out there in the community will help somone in trouble, I know I would. (at least hope I would) but alighting from a train requires the assistance from the conductor/ guard to let down the ramp. It is thier job to do this I believe. I have often seen it done on our local trains with great pleasure from the conductor/guards. But ours is just a friendly country line.
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denspark1560
11:01 AM on 03/27/2012
You're correct, but the polite thing is for the disabled person to give pre-warning they're going to be travelling and I've always found someone at the other end waiting.
11:55 AM on 03/27/2012
That is also correct as courtesy does works both ways, It probably works If travelling between mainline stations.
However, on rural lines it is quite impossible to ring through to have someone waiting as so many stations are unmanned, that is where i have always noticed the guard/conductor so very helpful.
07:46 AM on 03/27/2012
I have had my leg in a cast for the last 5 weeks and have been using public transport as much as I can. I have been struggling up and down staircases on my butt throwing my crutches in front of me. My fellow passengers have been pretty good but at no time has any of Bob Crow's finest lifted a finger to help me. They just stand and stare. So what it's like for Tanni and other people who have mobility problems all the time, I can only guess. But when I'm fit again I shall look out for them and try and help.
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07:34 AM on 03/27/2012
Er Forced? Stazi guards standing over? Prison warders with horse whips.
Come on! She said she was quite capapble which is enough to put people off.
Help, and you get charged with assualt. That is how it is.
Nonetheless I would have offered. Well I would, that is how I was brought up. Nearly 76.
jon
07:27 AM on 03/27/2012
For goodness sake. Perhaps, if available, a member of the public could just assist in these situations. Everyone wins then. The less abled person and it would help keep costs down for all ticket buyers. What is so wrong with us all helping each other these days rather than just demanding help from officials which we dont want to pay for!
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Kehlan Sutai Inigan
07:42 AM on 03/27/2012
The able bodied person would not know how to operate the ramp, or possibly even be able to get access to it. Many able bodied would like to help, they just dont know how. Its also ot always just a case of operating a ram on or off the train, the person then has to get across the station and find their destination. Other passengers are very likely to have their own connections to catch and their own luggage to carry and very limited time to be able to help.
One of my friends is disabled and its a nightmare to use the booking system. Even just booking is difficult, then you have to hope the member of staff turns up, she's been left stranded more than once.
06:56 AM on 03/27/2012
Surely the driver/train staff could have radioed ahead to ensure someone was waiting to assist at the station
cantabria
my default position is wrong
06:41 AM on 03/27/2012
"Actually, our public transport system for non-disabled people in this country is pretty good," Grey-Thompson added" Only if you're rich.
07:40 AM on 03/27/2012
Eh? If you are rich you would not bBE on public transport.
06:29 AM on 03/27/2012
Equality Act 2010 - use it !!!!
05:34 AM on 03/27/2012
I too am a wheelchair user and use trains. I know Tanni very well and , she does book assistance. Also, her local station know when she travels and notifies hte dsestination station of the train she i9s travelling on and in what carriage. Because she had notified the destination station, she told other passengers that she was expected so they left her to it. I once had to wait 27 minutes to get off a train in London and refused to allow the train to leave before I was off that train by pulling the emergency lever.
Had the train had a guard on it, then he would have made sure Tanni got off the train safely s their is a ramp on board. This is not the first time Tanni has been abandoned on a train and I am, sure it will not be the last.
08:13 AM on 03/27/2012
well it's a disgrace that Dame Tanni was left stranded this time, like she already has done previously. Shame on the railway system. In my South Yorkshire area our train company " seems " okay" with wheelchair users.. but then again it is usually for short journeys where 9 times out of 10 there IS a conductor on the train...... I cannot speak for Express long distance trains.... well done for speaking up on her behalf!
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denspark1560
11:06 AM on 03/27/2012
It's a pity Huff Post didn't mention the fact that she'd told the public travelling on that train she was ok and didn't require any help. Up to now everyone's been blaming Joe Public for not helping.
05:31 AM on 03/27/2012
I am disabled and I can assure everyone public transport is very difficult for this area of the population. I could never use our local station as it is all steep stairs not a lift of facility on the station at all that could by used by a disabled person.
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chatnuptime1
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04:28 AM on 03/27/2012
Wow what is so hard about putting a retractable ramp at the doorway of the train itself? All the busses have them in the USA? We just push a button and the person with the need for the ramp has the floor open up and unfolds the ramp to the walk and out we role then it auto matically retracts and folds in on itself then the door of the bus closes.
cantabria
my default position is wrong
06:42 AM on 03/27/2012
I was recently on the LA metro, scary. I doubt that service is disabled friendly.
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chatnuptime1
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05:33 PM on 03/27/2012
LA is like a lot places it really has protocalls for the disabled. I don't ride trains. Bus and air planes but not trains. Bus systems in Nevada have a good system for disabled but they need more seating assignments for wheel chairs tho.
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An Independent Woman
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03:27 AM on 03/27/2012
The US has something encouraging to add to this discussion, surprisingly! The law against discrimination of disabled persons has been of great benefit to the public at large. The elimiation of kerbs at street corners has made life so much easier for older people or people with children. There are hundreds of ways in which laws against discrimation of the disabled has ,ade life much better for the larger population. The fact that someone has to crawl off a train is, in a word, appauling.
03:02 AM on 03/27/2012
Being in a wheelchair myself and a regular rail user for seven years I am fully aware that what Tanni Grey Thompson says is 100% true as I have been taken to court by Arriva several times because they tried to overcharge me on the ticket price. They usually try to apply the wrong discount (always thier way) and they have even tried 3 times to apply an asbo as they never admit to be wrong. Keep up the excellent work Tanni. I support you.
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vividrick
I came, I saw...I had a cup of tea!
02:37 AM on 03/27/2012
You never hear of any good news about trains these days do you? And this probably takes the biscuit. I remember when at the Sport's Personality Awards when the BBC never made a ramp for Tanni to take centre stage, and Jonathon 'Woss' had to pitifully apologise to her on their behalf on 'They Think It's All Over'... if they can't do that for her, I imagine a lot of disabled people out there are still feeling let down.