An EU Tobin Tax Would Harm UK, Even It Vetoed On It, Warns Tory Group

The Huffington Post UK  |  By Posted: 23/04/2012 06:34 Updated: 23/04/2012 06:34

French and German plans to introduce a Financial Transaction Tax - also known as an FTT or "Tobin Tax" - would damage Britain's economy, even though the UK won't be forced to levy the tax on its own banks, according to the think-tank Centre for Policy Studies.

The CPS argues that the City of London would be damaged by the tax because UK branches of French and German banks would have to impose the Tobin Tax on all their transactions, making London's financial hub less competitive overall.

The CPS report - authored by international tax expert John Chown [PDF] - concludes: "Even subsidiaries of German and French financial institutions could be affected if it were shown that the risk in any transaction had been passed back to the parent company."

France has already indicated that it will impose a Tobin Tax, and Germany is said to be considering one. The UK has vetoed such a tax, and is able to do this because it is not part of the stabilisation measures vetoed by David Cameron in December.

The CPS is urging David Cameron "uses every possible method to ensure that a Tobin Tax is not introduced at any level in the EU."

The Tobin Tax is so-called because it was first suggested in the 1970s by the American economist James Tobin, who called for the levy to stop risky speculation on the financial markets. Sweden has attempted to introduce the tax in the past - as has France. But the French u-turned on the policy a few years later.

The thrust of the report will be welcomed by the Treasury, which has similar views on the Tobin Tax. Earlier this year Treasury Minister Mark Hoban warned that it would be potentially damaging to Europe's economy and would serve very little practical purpose.

However the report appears to contradict David Cameron, who has suggested in the past that the UK could benefit from such a tax within Europe. Boris Johnson has also appeared to cheer the French policy, suggesting the country's banks should relocate to London.

John Chown also believes that the Tobin Tax would not do anything to curb "undesirable financial activity" in any case, and that while it has been designed to be a levy on bankers, it would only pass the burden on to pensioners, employees and consumers.

The CPS report also claims: "Any legislation for an FTT (whether on an EU-wide basis or within a set of member states) will be enormously complex; and will be subject to many years of legal dispute (which would probably have to be settled at the ECJ). The resulting uncertainty could only be severely damaging to the UK financial services industry."

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French and German plans to introduce a Financial Transaction Tax - also known as an FTT or "Tobin Tax" - would damage Britain's economy, even though the UK won't be forced to levy the tax on its own ...
French and German plans to introduce a Financial Transaction Tax - also known as an FTT or "Tobin Tax" - would damage Britain's economy, even though the UK won't be forced to levy the tax on its own ...
 
 
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06:16 PM on 04/24/2012
What we need here in the UK are greater taxes on company shares, seccond homes and a road tax based not only on the engine emmisions, but also upon the value of the car. After all why Should someone with a £100,000 Aston Martin bought with stolen pension funds only have to pay road tax equivalent to an old Volvo Estate !.

Taxes in the UK need to be compleatly overhauled. So that those most able to afford to pay are taxed the heaviest in every aspect of their lives. I belive it was correct to get rid of the 50p tax band, it was far too low.... What is needed is an 80p tax band now.
03:07 AM on 04/24/2012
Cameron should worry about the ramifications of his twisted chancellor..

the least of his worries given the complete absence of growth and the (ahem) expected "zig-zag" of said "explained" by Mervin King
.....very soon the whole game will be rumbled by our mates the "Markets" frustrated with the maneouvering of Danny boy and his whip master who despair of this and...
UP GO INTEREST RATES AND DOWN GO HOUSE PRICES
and then,finally, we will really ALL be in this together.
02:18 AM on 04/24/2012
Does anyone think , that David Cameron`s veto of this tax , would draw no reprisals from Europe. They are aware , that he did so to protect the bankers and financiers in London.
It seems that Cameron can tax hot pork pies, but has a very great problem allowing tax, to effect his affuent friends.
The German / French are aware that 1000`s of workers in London , are employed in the Banking and Finance sector. They know that the Tory led Uk government supports this above all else in the UK. The Germans may have lost world war 2, but they certainly seem to be winning the peace. If we had a government , that really valued the UK as a whole , they would totally support financially , the restart of British manufaturing industry, have a fair and just social welfare systerm, instead of clinging on hopelssly , in this electronic age , to a detrimental philosophy of a `class ` system, that causes so much damage, It will finish this UK , as a cohesive entity. And sooner , rather than later.
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rabidrightwatch
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02:30 PM on 04/24/2012
well said F & F...
11:23 PM on 04/23/2012
im with all the others who want out off the eu they are just taking us for fools and now is the time to get out and its time the people had a say now and vote on it
QwertyPoiu4321
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11:20 PM on 04/23/2012
The Sweden Tax will drive revenue into the red, raise pension costs, and club the financial sector of the French economy out of France to London, just as it did to Sweden.

Britain, Switzerland, China, India, Sweden, US, Russia, Ireland, Denmark, among others, are militantly opposed to it for this exact reason.

Sarkozy is going to stab his own country for his re-election campaign.

Sweden’s “Robin Hood” Tax Failed Miserably http://yesbuthowever.com/sweden-robin-hood-tax-5001205-failed-miserably/

Swiss to be big winners from future Tobin tax http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Specials/Rebuilding_the_financial_sector/News,_results,_regulations/Swiss_to_be_big_winners_from_future_Tobin_tax.html?mobileTopicId=1221504&view=mobileDetail&cid=31938272

Russia Ready To Save Europe, But Not With Tobin Tax http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/10/27/russia-ready-to-save-europe-but-not-with-tobin-tax/
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Mickey Mouse 1
There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
10:12 PM on 04/23/2012
The truth of the matter is the UK is downing in a sea of debt.
Southern law girl
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07:45 PM on 04/23/2012
I don't know about Tobin Tax, but I do know about the fact France is paid over and above anything we get in farm subsidies. You bet they want a Tobin Tax, don't think Mr Tobin the economist had this type of back door tactics by way of fleecing countries out of their income, when he invented the concept. Even Robin Hood had more morals!
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Fozwords
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06:50 PM on 04/23/2012
How many more reasons do we need to vacate this community that is hell bent on destroying our economy, our justice system and everything else that we have that works
07:07 PM on 04/23/2012
whats not to destroy the banks are being propped up by us the justice system only works for you if your rich thanks to the tories our economy is in tatters and you say walk away form europe you must be daft
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Fozwords
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07:18 PM on 04/23/2012
No I dont say walk away at all, I say run away as fast as we bloody can, whilst we have something left they have not defiled.
karen1963yorks
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11:10 PM on 04/23/2012
Who win power the banks collapsed ? Who signed us up to the terrorist charter they called human rights charter? Cheri Blair got rich doing what exactly?
However you think we should prop uk Greece, Spain, Portugal Italy and most of Eastern Europe? Good thinking Phil
By the way, would you like to invest in some Greek government bonds?
A guy called Berlesconi told me they were 100% safe.
Southern law girl
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07:36 PM on 04/23/2012
Yes, and double yes! Correct!
majdf18148
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05:38 PM on 04/23/2012
Hollande and Sarkozy will now go head to head at the polls with the others ruled out of the running.There is only 1% between them in Sarkozy's favour (29%-28% I think). Political opinion seems to indicate Marie Le Penn's 18% will mainly go to Sarkozy on a 4/5ths -1/5th basis. That will be a big plus for Sarkozy and could see him just sliding back in again with the help of the nationalist as he needs more than 50% to return to power and he will pick up a percentage of the other votes as well.That all aside as much as I distrust him I can't help thinking Hollande as the alternative is even less of an attractive proposition!
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Fozwords
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06:52 PM on 04/23/2012
I would have thought that the idea of another right wing party across our water borders would be the last thing we would need or want.
04:54 PM on 04/23/2012
David Camerons veto of this tax was done perposely not to anger his most close friends, the bankers, who caused this mess in the first place, just put your friends aside for once and look after the real people.
06:51 PM on 04/23/2012
It was Labour who were in power when this "mess" as you call it began! i don't remember blair/brown doing anything to stop it hapening.
06:07 PM on 04/24/2012
Labour might have been in power, but it was the Tory rich and wealthy who caused it all !!.

When is the last time a Garage Mechanic caused Billions of pounds to be lost on the stock exchange. When is the last time a Regrigeration Engineer used hundreds of millions from a pension fund to prop up his company shares. When is the last time a Plumper got paid so much money in dividends after his company had filed bankrupsey, that he could buy a new Aston Martin ?.

Answer these questions without diversion, if you can !.
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Fozwords
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06:53 PM on 04/23/2012
If we accept this tax we will most certainly get the cost passed onto ourselves either through bank charges or interest rates, resist, resist, resist
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paulie boy
Justice for all..not the few
04:13 PM on 04/23/2012
Hopefully Sarkosy won't be around to influence EU policy for much longer...Cameron take note the National Party won 20% of the vote in France..greatly due to young voters fed-up with the EU..perhaps the BNP are in for a pleasant surprise next election...
We are fed-up with your Tory Eliteism, fed-up with Europe dictating policy to us and fed-up with immigrants getting priority over British born and bred..
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rabidrightwatch
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05:01 PM on 04/23/2012
While we have FPTP, the Barely Normal Party doesn't stand an earthly chance.

Had we voted for PR or AV in the recent referendum, their vote would be more, so I'm rather pleased that the voting system has remained unchanged.

And I support the introduction of PR as an essential means of guaging public opinion.

Happy to keep the nutters of both left and right at bay...
concodtob
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08:53 PM on 04/23/2012
Rabidrightwatch you mentioned in the past that you no longer support national sovereignty or grass-roots democracy.A 19th century concept you said,that is no longer relevant.So what's changed?
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Saint wright
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03:37 PM on 04/23/2012
20% of the french have just voted for their version for the BNP, a lot more effective than ours?
karen1963yorks
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11:16 PM on 04/23/2012
I suspect that in France it is not a crime to care about your own people.
The French dont seem to bend over backwards to appease their muslim population.
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rabidrightwatch
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02:58 PM on 04/23/2012
This so-called 'think tank' is stridently right-wing and will use every excuse to drive a wedge and spread alarm and uncertainty for one reason, and one reason only: they don't anything that emanates from the collective decision-making process of 28 countries in Brussels - even if those ideas are very good ideas, they will undermine them as best they can.

A Tobin tax would be the most painless method of raising billions of badly needed revenue from the very instititions which dropped us so unceremoniously in the clag in the first place..

The argument when DC lot exercised the veto was that such a tax would be a distinct advantage to the UK (all those French and German banks flooding here to avoid it; remember the argument?) now, it transpires that, according to this right-wing think-tank (an oxymoron if ever I heard one) it's now to our distinct disadvantage..

Would someone make their minds please..??? the country needs as much revenue as it can muster - a Tobin Tax would be an ideal means of addressing our collective deficit problems once and for all.... or perhaps the banks don't like it... you never know...
09:34 PM on 04/23/2012
rabidrightwatch - it would raise nothing as when it was tried in Sweden financial transactions. were simply routed vis Switzerland - the Swiss would never agree to this tax - Professor James Tobin homslf said it could only work if all nations imposed it - the USA has also said a point blank no to it
02:49 AM on 04/24/2012
rabidrightwatch.
You are absolutley right . It is only my opinion , but this Tory bunch of reverse Robin Hoods, are going to be the finish of the UK as it now stands .They can attempt to support their rich friends in life , but the people of this nation are not stupid. I think it is the reluctance to vote , for any alternative to the 3 main parties ,that , without a change in the ways of govenment , will never happen, as long as there is an all party self serving advantage, to keep the staus quo, in Westminster
I would support independent nationalism , for all 4 parts of the UK, and a federal agrement on defense , if all agreed. I stress actual defense , as opposed to `helpfull aggression` , costing millions, that they could better spend towards the national defict, instead. That, coupled with the Tobin tax, and we would not be in national debt very long.
12:47 PM on 04/23/2012
This tax sounds like a very good idea, it will enable tax to be recoverd from the sources most able to afford to pay it.... But would have little or no effect upon ordinary people, espeacialy those who dont have much money to spend.
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
02:49 PM on 04/23/2012
...a really excellent idea, in fact - one upon which the Tory-led government has exercised the veto... first it was good for the UK economy, now it's bad - they think - so I wonder which one it can be..?? we shall see..
03:13 PM on 04/23/2012
If David Cameron thinks its a bad idea you can be certain that its a good idea
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Fozwords
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06:57 PM on 04/23/2012
My dear friend, the cost, one way or the other will be passed onto the common man, its the way life works.
09:02 PM on 04/23/2012
We have to leave the solution to that problem to those in charge. However it doesnt mean that we should continue to allow the wealthy to get away with hiding their money and avoiding taxes.

Just because criminals have Gun's should we all start keeping one in our homes too. The answer is NO, because common sence has to start somwhere and there are always dissadvantages in addition to the advantages.
05:44 PM on 04/24/2012
Actualy no, your Credibility has just been washed down the pan LOL..... By the looks of the other posts you have made and the responces, Im not the only person who feels that way either !.

However you are right about one thing. The type of discontent which is brewing will produce riots of a kind no seen in the UK since the days of Oliver Cromwell. If you dont belive me, then you realy have not spent much time with the working classes in this Country. Adults with engineering experience are strarting to loose their reguard for the Law, in order to take action against those responsible for their plight. Trust me when I tell you the Army is going to be needed next time a riot occurs, as the Police will be out gunned and out matched !.
11:58 AM on 04/23/2012
So, this is not really going to harm Joe Public and the British economy, just the financial fat cats in the City whose profits are quickly moved offshore so they do not pay UK taxes?
Cameron needs to learn that he is running a country - not an exclusive, profiteering business club. No sympathy - bring it on.
02:52 AM on 04/24/2012
buchanallan.

Here here.!