Lords Reform: David Cameron Refuses Rule Out Referendum (LISTEN)

PA/The Huffington Post  |  Posted: 23/04/2012 09:29 Updated: 23/04/2012 09:29

David Cameron has indicated he may be willing to hold a referendum on reforming the House of Lords, ahead of the publication of a report that is expected to demand the public be given a say.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme this morning, the prime minister said while he was not in favour of holding a referendum a public vote could not be ruled out.

"Personally I don't see it as a very compelling case - it would cost a lot of money," he said- pointing out that it has also been in all three main parties' election manifestos.

"But we live in a democracy. parliament is going to debate and discuss this. The committee is about to come and and say that a referendum would be a good idea so we don't rule it out.

"But we are only going to get Lords reform through if we all behave like reasonable, rational, sensible people."

While the leaderships of the three main parties are in favour of reform, there is widespread opposition on the Tory benches to change and the Labour Party has said it wants to see a referendum on the issue.

The joint committee on Lords reform is due to publish its long awaited report on Monday morning, and it is expected to recommend that the public be given a vote.

Cameron said he was firmly in favour of a mostly-elected second chamber which would "strengthen our parliament and strengthen the House of Lords" but accepted that it was not the Government's top priority.

"One of the reasons Lords reform never goes ahead is that, although there is a majority for it in the Commons and the three main political favours are in favour, all the parties are split on it. That is the fact.

"So the only way it can happen is if all the parties agree to work together, rationally, reasonably, sensibly on trying to deliver what I think the British public would see as, not a priority, but a perfectly sensible reform that we have people legislating in the House of Lords who are elected by right."

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05:27 PM on 04/23/2012
If you want to have a referendum how about the EU? Leave the poor sods in the upper house alone. What a waste of time and money. The coalition will ban fox hunting and Cornish pasties next!. I had hopes for Cameron, but he has definitely lost the plot. There are more serious concernes to consider than revamping the Peers. Why not revamp your cabinet and Ken 'useless' Clarke first. I thought Neil Kinnock was a useless minister. Blaire was a charlatan. Come on David pull your finger out and get into gear. Do something worthwhile!
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paulie boy
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04:16 PM on 04/23/2012
Of course he will have a referendum on the Lords...He would like another elected house..So he can get his policies through easier. Most of the Lords are rich Tories in the House.
03:16 PM on 04/23/2012
I wish they would concentrate on important ssues and leave this subject aloe, I am probably on my own in preferring the Lords as it was with members from the awkward squad who were not under a political leaders control rather than as it is now complete with faied and retired politicians
Aws far as a referendum is concerned would any political leader in the last decade or so take much notice of public opinion - after all it is only them who know best, in their minds anyway.
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12:58 PM on 04/23/2012
Why do we give Government so much power, they should be Working for the People who Voted them in, and in turn We should be able to take them OUT! We need to change things FAST.
11:24 AM on 04/23/2012
"We live in a democracy" - " if we behave like sensible people" and similar quotes, throughout. More lip service from Cameron.He claimed there would be more transparency in Government - don't worry, Dave, it's as clear as day - we can see right through you!
Southern law girl
Researching my viewpoint....
11:17 AM on 04/23/2012
Come on David Cameron, we DON'T need a referendum on House of Lords reform, but we DO need a referendum on the EU 'as such', we need it badly, and we need it NOW!
House of Lords reform should be dead in the water, elected members will make no difference, surely is it the current elected members of 'another place' that's causing the current state of consternation.

I am 100% for democracy, but even then there has to be something to keep any form of democracy under control. Always remember, Adolf Hitler was democratically elected!
That is why I mention the Separation of Powers. The philosophy behind the doctrine of Separation of Powers, is that it acts as a form of checks and balances, but that will surely be diluted should all in both chambers become elected. Sometimes it's better to have a wise old bunch who are ongoing as if were, if nothing else but to keep control of the elected members who are quick to implement change that is sometimes not very welcome. It can be argued the HOL's is ineffective, but when they are in determined mood, they really are determined, especially if time is running out!

A suggestion Mr Cameron. If we are to have a referendum on reform of the HOL, to save money and to keep your promise to the British People, why not have one on the European Union at the same time? :-))
katertaif
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12:51 PM on 04/23/2012
Good morning Ann. Well put as usual, and accurate as always. Yourl ast paragraph especially is an excellent idea, and would not cost any more money so should be dear to our PM's heart

Unfortunately he has already ruled out any referenda on anything he doesn't agree with. With a three line whip at that, such is his conviction that we know nothing, and are merely vote fodder and payers of tax.

Hopefully the shock will be his at the next G. Election, We can only hope

Regards Terry
Southern law girl
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02:53 PM on 04/23/2012
Good afternoon Terry!

Thanks. Regarding the joining up of two referendums (the plural of referendum is a moot point, whether referenda or referendums, I believe it can be either), but even more importantly, it makes sense if they are to keep the British People on side and in the loop.

Reform of the HOL in fact will be a step backwards, in that, what has served us politically as a Country all these centuries, change and stability could be lost for ever, the HOL are a constant, suffering a massive reformation in the Blair/Brown years. Of course it is always argued they didn't go far enough, but I think they went perfectly far enough. I do think it's a good idea a lot of the aristracy have been taken out of the Lords, that was a good idea. I am not against these people, but I don't think it should be a matter of heritage, rather they should earn the position after proving themselves to be a worthy candidate.

Part II to follow -
Southern law girl
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02:53 PM on 04/23/2012
Part II

My point about the 'Other Place' and those elected Members, they are all at sea for the want of a better expression, or I could say, cause so much consternation, they are the very ones we, Joe Public, are stating to be the out of touch class! Personally, I think the HOL are very much in touch, much more than the 'Other Place', they are no doubt about it out of touch, and what is more they are into denial, even more worrying is that they really believe they are in touch! I found this out after a conversation with my MP last month.

Kind Regards
Ann.
11:07 AM on 04/23/2012
Cameron is a LIBERAL not a Conservative!!
Southern law girl
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11:41 AM on 04/23/2012
I am sure that has always been the case, but is now becoming clearer and clearer as time goes on!
katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
12:56 PM on 04/23/2012
I doubt if you could get a cigarette paper between their policies in this day and age. They are all basically singing from the same hymn sheet, and only pretend to fall out at PMQ's.Even there, the PM has the say on which questions he will talk about and prepare for. I did not say answer, because he hardly ever does, but then none of the last three did either.
Southern law girl
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04:40 PM on 04/23/2012
Terry, it is all a great pretend game, they are chums, real chums. I have no problem with that if only they would concentrate on the issues in hand, a job worth doing is worth doing well!
Best wishes Ann.
10:41 AM on 04/23/2012
It seems it is regarded as a done deal that there will be an elected second chamber. More jobs for the same boys that are in the first. At least the second chamber at present generally has a different set of people with a different mind set and are generally given the credit for having a more balanced and educated approach to issues rather than just being a rubber stamp to the Commons 'party' driven chamber that an elected second chamber would probably become, and therefore a costly irrelevance. As most sensible people think at the present time, there are far more important things to worry about than satisfying yet another Liberal fetish.
10:39 AM on 04/23/2012
He better had listen, or else he really will be a one trick PM. Tories are getting fed up with him. The anti coalition Tories will grow in strength and numbers and will probably cause its collapse. All Labour has to do is sit quietly and let it happen, but be prepared to cry when they to get slaughtered at any forthcoming election.
10:36 AM on 04/23/2012
‘Leadership is about taking responsibility, not making excuses.’
10:21 AM on 04/23/2012
Another complete waste of time.
When are they going to concentrate on the important issues >> immigration/border control/taxation/fuel costs.Never mind reforming the House of Lords get some sensible work done.
Stop wasting time/money on this sort of thing.
It will make no difference at end of the day!