'Lives At Risk' After Lothian Police Tell Private Ambulance Drivers To Turn Off Lights

The Huffington Post UK  |  By Posted: 27/04/2012 11:00 Updated: 27/04/2012 12:07

Ambulance Driver Fined Andy Thomson
Ambulance driver Andy Thomson was fined for speeding

Police forces have warned private ambulance drivers they will be prosecuted if they do not switch off their blue lights - even in emergencies.

Lothian police have been accused of endangering lives after they told private ambulance company Lifeline their employees would be taken to court if they are caught with their lights on at the East Lothian border.

Dave Cooper, operations manager at Lifeline, called the threats "ridiculous".

"It may seem dramatic but this could actually kill someone. Our ambulance drivers have permission to exceed the speed limit if necessary as it could mean the difference between life and death.

"If an organ is out of the body for too long then it deteriorates, so it is really important to get them delivered as quickly as possible."

Lifeline is a private company which transports blood for transfusions and organs for transplants. Although its vehicles are formally recognised by the DVLA as ambulances, Lothian police are refusing make exceptions.

Cooper says the difficulty arises when drivers are travelling along the A1.

"There is a single carriageway for most of the way so you have to make up time when you can and the safest place to do this is on the dual carriageway."

The warning was issued by the Lothian and Borders Police after an ambulance driver was been fined as he sped to hospital to deliver a kidney for a life-saving transplant.

Andy Thomson was caught speeding on the A1 at Gladsmuir, in Scotland, as he drove to St James's Hospital in Leeds, where a seriously ill child was waiting for a liver transplant.

As he had his blue lights flashing, Thomson expected his fine to be waived but was handed a £60 fine and given three penalty points on his licence.

Thomson, who drives private ambulances for Lifeline, had picked up the liver from Edinburgh's Royal Hospital for Sick Children when he was caught driving at 84mph on the 70mph road.

Lifeline, who disputed the fine, were told private ambulances do not fall under the Lothian and Borders Police's definition of an emergency vehicle.

Cooper added Thomson's speed "was not even excessive speeding".

A spokesman for Lothian and Borders Police said: "Lothian and Borders Police Road Policing Unit work closely with the NHS to establish the authenticity and credibility of any agency claiming to be carrying out work on their behalf when caught speeding.

"The decision to prosecute a driver for any motoring offence is made by the Procurator Fiscal."

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Police forces have warned private ambulance drivers they will be prosecuted if they do not switch off their blue lights - even in emergencies. Lothian police have been accused of endangering lives ...
Police forces have warned private ambulance drivers they will be prosecuted if they do not switch off their blue lights - even in emergencies. Lothian police have been accused of endangering lives ...
 
 
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07:29 AM on 03/03/2013
So I thought I'd comment on this and put the record straight... The law is that any emergency vehicle whilst performing its duty as an emergency vehicle can use exemptions and road exemptions I.e red lights. However for tissue (organ) transportation as there is no patient in the vehicle etc and they are in a stable location (hospital) a transplant vehicle can NOT speed. They can however use lights and siren to get through traffic and they can claim road exemptions. Had the driver have been properly trained and accredited he would have known this... This is what gives private ambulances companies a bad name!!!! He was breaking the law!!
10:35 PM on 07/09/2012
There are several prosecutions of organ tranplant vehicles operating on behalf of NHS Blood and Transport facing prosecution in Lothian & Borders Area for "speeding" to save lives with organs on board. This is a ludicrous situation and show Lothian & Borders Police and Procurator Fiscal Service in POOR POOR light.
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10:39 AM on 04/28/2012
more lives have been and are put at risk because of the police breaking all traffic laws...constantly speeding is one of nthem
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10:35 AM on 04/28/2012
where is the *law that says they cant...........
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06:53 AM on 04/28/2012
I trust that the police are not above the law and don't speed either. The emergency services should be aiding and not obstructing each other. Lifeline's response to this malicious prosecution of Andy Thompson should be to refuse to help the police when they do need an ambulance. It seems that the Scottish police have nothing better to do than harrass motorists. If the crime rate is low in Scotland then it is time to get rid of a few constables as they are obviously surplus to requirements.
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02:39 PM on 04/28/2012
The crime rate in Scotland is at a 30 year low largely because we have managed to get 1000 more cops on the beat since 2007. There is a direct corelation there and we'd like to keep our crime rates falling if at all possible. Cutting police presence wouldn't help that.

On the other hand, this incident does come across as more than a wee bit petty. If the ambulance driver/private hire courier (the latter is perhaps a bit more realistic as Lifeline are a private company, not part of the NHS or a 999 emergency service) wasn't endangering any other motorists then he shouldn't have been prosecuted. The LaB guys being a bit over zealous and being backed up by a petty-minded official in the P.F's office. Maybe they needed the extra ticket to make up the numbers on a quiet night.

Silly stuff and not a good reflection on them in the eyes of Joe Public.
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03:53 AM on 04/28/2012
It's the Police who need to be prosecuted for abusing their powers. Disgusting. Someone needs to stand up to these louts and a good start would be to take out an action for a declaration to see whether it would be possible to sue the Police for misfeasance in a public office if someone did die because of their pigheadedness.
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10:37 AM on 04/28/2012
quite agree.....police overall create more trouble than the public...government thugs.
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02:40 PM on 04/28/2012
So when the private enterprise thugs (criminals to most folk) come round your house, who are you going to call? Ghostbusters? or the local cop shop?
02:54 AM on 04/28/2012
apart from sheep and cattle rustling, the Lothian and Borders filth have little to do. No surprises that they target ambulances that are doing a worthwhile job. There may be instances where there have been misuses of the 'blue light.' But if the ambulance was delivering an organ waiting to be transplanted or a rare batch of blood to tranfusion in oder to save lives, then not to blue light their way through traffic would amount to negligence. For the Lothian and Borders police information.. any car using their vehicle for a life and death dash to hospital are allowed to speed and go through red lights, with care and use of headlights and horn as they are being used as an ambulance or other emergency vehicle. Commonsense has to be the order of the day.
05:54 PM on 04/27/2012
YES THE LAW IS THE LAW NO MATTER whot
05:38 PM on 04/27/2012
Lothian and Borders Police - rseholes!
04:12 PM on 04/27/2012
Typical - Lunatics running the asylum. The A1 north of Berwick is a well known police entrapment area - even using concealed cameras.
02:58 AM on 04/28/2012
what's worse is that little Hitler types are now trained to use radar guns, these people may be your neighbours.
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02:43 PM on 04/28/2012
Entrapment? Do you mean that they encourage people to break the law then arrest them? Or do you mean they come down hard on people who break the law without encouragement? The law IS the law whether you or I agree with it or like it. We break the law at our peril and if caught we face whatever consequences there may be.
08:18 AM on 04/29/2012
No, but you try to get a copper out for an offence such as burglary. I have, 5 times - what a waste of time. They simply will not be bothered. And that, West Lothian Questioner, is a deliberate breach of the oath they took and it can be an offence in itself. It is perverting the cause of justice.
03:13 PM on 04/27/2012
Why does it take a Vehicle the size of an ambulance to carry a organ or blood for donation?

Surely these could be carried by a fast car or motor bike?
04:00 PM on 04/27/2012
valid point,not so sure about motorcycle though people tend not to see them normally as they are the ones that often need medical supplies unfortunately.
03:02 AM on 04/28/2012
using an ambulance may seem a waste of a vehicle, but such is the cost of vehicles that to have two types can be an extra cost which a lot of NHS services can no longer afford. Generally a smaller vehicle, with organ transportation written on the side will be used.
01:35 PM on 04/27/2012
An ambulance driver fined for speeding or displaying a blue light? You couldn't make this up.
06:07 PM on 04/27/2012
the law is the law
01:34 PM on 04/27/2012
ludicrous i think Lothian police should be checked for taking drugs, to make such ridiculous claims as to what is classed as an emergency.police vehicles often wake me during the night with sirens not their lights.You would think all emergency services would help each other out, it used to be called teamwork.
plod on.
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01:06 PM on 04/27/2012
i've been telling anybody that will listen since Thatcherismn[which was virtually nill back then,but now many people are asking the same query i have]why privatize everything?,it seems all it does is make gov's redundant no longer able to look after their citizens they are meant to protect,and now very powerfull buissnessmen rule governments,with no respect for them or citizens,and how do mp's respond?,by being braindead quiet,so this story is no surprise,plus police are slowly being privatized
12:42 PM on 04/27/2012
"The decision to prosecute a driver for any motoring offence is made by the Procurator Fiscal."

No it isn't ! It's some lacky in his department , signing papers on his behalf and hasn't a scooby of the real world outside.
01:50 PM on 04/27/2012
lets hope an accident doesnt occur where they are waiting for an organ to be delivered to them.