Damian Green, Immigration Minister, Blames Wrong Type Of Wind For Airport Delays

PA/The Huffington Post UK  |  Posted: Updated: 15/05/2012 16:40

We’re used to hearing about "the wrong type of snow" or "leaves on the line" delaying trains – now there is a warning about wind disrupting air travel.

Immigration Minister Damian Green said today that long waits for passengers at the UK’s airports will depend on air currents. It’s likely that many will simply think he’s talking hot air, though.

Green made the comment to the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee. He said that bringing in risk-based security checks would not be a panacea to reducing queues.

Passengers travelling to London's Heathrow Airport from New York may well have longer waits to clear security if their flight arrives 10 minutes after one from Lagos, Nigeria, than if it arrives 10 minutes earlier.

"That will depend on the wind, over which, with the best will in the world, airlines and the Border Force don't have the control," he said.

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Mr Green said he was not against the introduction of risk-based controls, but a pilot last year was tainted by abuse which saw unauthorised queue-based controls being used instead.

But he told MPs on the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee: "The other point I would make is that they (risk-based checks) would not be a panacea for queues.

"It's not at all obvious that just having risk-based controls reduces queues.

"They may well involve doing more thorough checks on some of those non-EU passengers."

Mr Green also called for better information on arriving passengers from airlines, saying that three times as many passengers arrived at Heathrow yesterday morning than were expected.

On Friday, the Border Force was told to expect some 2,500 passengers between 6am and 9am yesterday. This rose to 5,000 at six hours' notice, but in reality some 7,500 passengers turned up, Mr Green said.

"The general point is that the earlier and the better the information the Border Force can have from the airlines, the more likely it is the right numbers of people will be at the right desks at the right time," he said.

The opening of a central control room at Heathrow later this month, along with the introduction of 16 mobile teams of 10 people, will make a significant difference, he said.

Mr Green also announced that 70 new staff being recruited to work at Heathrow Terminal 2 when it reopens would start training immediately after the Olympics to ensure the Border Force retained its flexibility after the Games.

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09:38 AM on 05/16/2012
Why are there not priority areas in customs (both leaving and arriving) for old people?

Why are there not seperate "fun" areas in customs for people traveling with children?

It is not rocket science.
09:10 PM on 05/15/2012
Much as he continues to deny it, more frontline people are required. Senior Civil Servants have been sucking up to Ministers for years saying they (their staff that is) can do more with less. Sorry mate, their bluff has been called. Wake up and smell the coffee.
07:21 PM on 05/15/2012
"Damian Green..."
Don't worry he's still trying to work out why the world is round!
07:14 PM on 05/15/2012
Risk-based seems another word for profiling.

Last week, a terminal at Newark Liberty International Airport was shut down for over an hour after officials discovered that a baby hadn't been properly screened. Being forbidden to profile, TSA agents had to ask every passenger on the flight to disembark and re-screen.
(It is not true that they had to ask each passenger whether they were a baby.)
06:19 PM on 05/15/2012
I don't understand what's not to understand. When you take a plane you are dependent on the winds. I have flown back from New York in about 5 hours before as the wind was so strong. Similarly from LA in little over 9 hours. This is significantly less than the scheduled time. Airports work on schedules, therefore if the NYC planes are all early and land an hour earlier when many other flights are arriving then it is bound to get bogged down.

So Electrastar and Vectradt1 maybe you've never been on a long haul flight. So now you know and it's a real problem out of anyone's hands, the fact they have identified that things need to be done about it is a good thing. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Plus I was at Heathrow last week and walked straight through with NO queue at all.
06:48 PM on 05/15/2012
And of course a plane with a tailwind is going use the same amount of fuel (flying time) as one with a head wind?.......

So they will have to land due to running out of fuel wont they?

Of course when they get here they will be taking someone elses landing slot.......
06:12 PM on 05/15/2012
"On Friday, the Border Force was told to expect some 2,500 passengers between 6am and 9am yesterday. This rose to 5,000 at six hours' notice, but in reality some 7,500 passengers turned up, Mr Green said."

How can this possibly happen with all the security that people have to go through and pre-booking of flights? It's not as if it were a bus service. Not sure this guy knows what he is on about or else somebody is feeding him lot of bovine excrement
06:44 PM on 05/15/2012
Perhaps Mr Green (Apt Name) thinks plane arrive like London Busses.....expect one and then three turn up at the same time!!!!

Surely that nice invention RADAR will tell London airports how many planes are due and when........
08:39 PM on 05/15/2012
Not only RADAR but their whole system is designed to ensure an even arrival and departure of aircraft. If they get too many arriving at the same time they stack them in rings around London until their alloted time for space on the runway and at the gates. Their whole system ensures they know what they are getting.
03:41 PM on 05/15/2012
if you want delays fly to new york and see how long you stand in line, maybe you could visit turkey and again wait in line for hours, then forced to pay £10 for the privelege of being on turkish soil and if you only have a £20 note no problem, they will gladly except that but forget about getting any change, we should do the same here and charge all foriegners coming into the country a fee of £10 for the privelege of being on british soil, then they can complain all they want regarding the wait.
04:07 PM on 05/15/2012
What has this post got to do with lies being told by a government minister?

This government has blamed everybody and everything for THEIR failures....

According to THEM their cuts have done nothing but good for the country....

When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee?
02:24 PM on 05/15/2012
The other day it was about the delays of people leaving the UK
02:23 PM on 05/15/2012
What a load of tosh, the wind has always blown. Let the truth be told, the government cut budgets to Immigration and UKBA that's had an impact on the issue of delays (the real cause). If this is the only excuse Immigration Minister Damian Green can come up with then he's certainly in the wrong job.

Oh, BTW during this period of austere cuts, how much tax payers money was spent to come up with this bulls**t for the select committee, and are select committee members that gullible?
01:40 PM on 05/15/2012
They should let them all in and reduce the queues since this was most certainly the viewpoint or attitude of the last Labour government, and if one reads the Cabinet papers it appears that only the right wing fascist thugs did not want the fantastic way forward of UK multiculturalism.

Providing of course that the massive number of immigrants do not appear down my tree lined cabled avenue street, and not within my posh district. My MP resides near me by the way, and there are many MPs within similar locations.

So open the gates and put all of them on the Local Authority Housing Estates but never profile who is legal or illegal since that would not be PC but also contrary to their human rights to a family life.
04:10 PM on 05/15/2012
This is the Standard Tory answer "it's the last government, weather, Europes fault, not ours"....

What a pity that there are people who have computers who believe this bull.......hit
07:38 PM on 05/15/2012
will you not need a cheap cleaner at your beautiful home "down that tree lined cabled avenue street"of yours? It is amazing how cheap those illegal immigrants can be !!!