Bernard Hogan-Howe, Met Police Chief, Suggests Drugs Tests By Employers Could Curb Demand

The Huffington Post UK  |  By Posted: Updated: 16/05/2012 08:49

The head of the Metropolitan Police has suggested there could be more drugs tests for employees at work, as part of attempts to discourage recreational users.

Bernard Hogan-Howe made the suggestion as part of a wide ranging speech at the think-tank Policy Exchange in London on Tuesday night, where he said idea might be useful "if you are trying to affect the demand side of things." But Hogan-Howe said the aim would be to act as a deterrent, not to inform the police.

"How many drug addicts have you got working for you?" he asked the audience. "I'd argue none of us know. But I wouldn't want to be operated on by one, nor have one drive a bus. Some organisations have some very risky operations that you do not want people with cravings doing, running your computers.

"Someone who's affected by cannabis use, cannabis that stays in the system for about 28 days. Cannabis that's now a far higher potency than the stuff of the 60s."

Admitting it needed a "sophisticated discussion", the Met police commissioner said: "If you want to do something about demand, we really need to be absolute in our terms that we want to do something about it. Where do people think these millions of pounds come from?

"Cocaine use, for example, the money's coming from people who are employed, a significant amount is coming from people who hold a job down.

"My point is, what can you do to start testing in employment, not to tell the police, but as an issue of employment. You say, 'You've got a choice; you either change what you're doing, because I don't want you working for me anymore.'"

Hogan-Howe said the tests could be carried out on teachers and nurses, but suggested the practice could extend into the private sector. "I think at least you've got to think about that, rather than thinking about the other extreme which is legalisation."

Drugs testing by employers is common practice in major American firms but is not routine in Britain, except for those working in highly sensitive jobs like the security and intelligence services.

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Hogan-Howe made the suggestions as part of a speech where he outlined his approach to reforming policing in London, a project he referred to as "total policing" -where he sees the public having a much better and more engaged relationship with the Met.

He also sees technology playing a greater role in detecting crime and fully supports the government's Communications Bill - a controversial law which many fear will lead to greater powers for the state to snoop on people.

Unlike every other force in England and Wales London's police budget has not seen cuts this year, because of pressures including the Olympics and the Diamond Jubilee. But from 2013 London's policing budget will be cut by up to half a billion pounds - or 14%.

Hogan-Howe told the audience that during that period protests against austerity would increase and be likely to take place in central London, forcing the Met to bring police from outer boroughs into the centre. "Finding the balance will be a difficult challenge." he said.

But he said that the Met's technology was in many ways out-of-date; pledging that investment in new kit would be his priority.

"If we ended up with less people but better technology, and ended up being better at fighting crime, I'd say that wouldn't be a bad thing," he said, suggesting that the police could tap into the Automatic Number Plate Recognition systems used in petrol stations, cross-matching the data with their own databases.

On the government's Bill to allow access to new forms of private data, Hogan-Howe insisted that the plans in no way further encroached on civil liberties than existing laws; they merely brought the powers of the state into line with emerging technologies, he insisted.

"The change is entirely to do with a change in technology rather than any new intrusion. It's the same level of intrusion, it's just a different way of doing it," he claimed. "I'd rather have the benefits with same restraints to protect people's rights than not have the benefit at all.

"Lives will be lost without that sort of information," he added.

Turning to the Olympics, he said there remained no specific threat to the games, but warned that the focus on the Olympics site in east London missed the point that terrorists could attack another site in London away from Stratford - "And that would still be seen as an attack on the Olympics," he said.

Hogan-Howe became the Metropolitan Police Commissioner last year, after his predecessor Sir Paul Stephenson resigned in the wake of the phone hacking scandal. Hogan-Howe moved to London having served as the chief constable of Merseyside police.

During his tenure there he presided over a significant drop in detected crime on Merseyside, along with an even bigger drop in the number of complaints made against Merseyside Police.

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08:31 AM on 05/17/2012
NO TO DRUGS AND NO TO ALCOHOL AND NO TO CORRUPTION IN THE POLICE FORCE

that should keep him busy!

more bobbies on the beat and visibility curbs crime as well !

good luck to him!
08:26 AM on 05/17/2012
Looks like most Londoners will be out of work
01:22 AM on 05/17/2012
Innocent people get stopped by sniffer dogs at stations or pubs these days, god know's what's in the water supply & what we touch everyday (money) Big Brothers watching you.
12:55 AM on 05/17/2012
Is that why he gets paid big bucks? lol.
12:52 AM on 05/17/2012
Why don't they use some sort of microchip implanted @ birth. Doctors / Police / Employers etc. can monitor us & control us - like cattle? It's got to the stage where we're all guilty, until proved innocent! The law is at odds for allowing recreational drugs!?
So many intrusions, into every aspect of peoples lives - If not this, it'll be something else.
01:23 AM on 05/17/2012
Have done with it.
12:00 AM on 05/17/2012
Many companies have it a requirement that employees are subjected to randon drug tests and it is a legally binding part of their employment contract - some even send positive test results to the police - very common in transport companies or other industries where the employer could be prosecuted if an employee is working under the influence of alcohol or drugs so they test everyone including office staff ..

If you are taking illegal substances or illegal quantities of legal substances you are breaking the criminal law and any employer ignoring that is in effect aiding and abetting a criminal offence
11:17 PM on 05/16/2012
This will work exactly as it does in America. People will realise that the benign drug cannabis resides in the system for 28 days and more, whereas drugs such as Heroin, Coke, Crack and Methamphetamine clear the system in days (because the body gets rid of a poison as soon as it can). So your bus driver will not smoke cannabis but will take something harder instead.
The real purposes of this measure are
(1) To promote and fund a highly lucrative drug testing industry, and
(2) To further erode our freedoms and civil liberties.

Will we reach the point where school children have to undergo a drug test before they can join the chess club (as in America).
Crazy and an abuse of position!
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
10:58 PM on 05/16/2012
Met chief should mind his own f'ing business, suggests everyone.
10:44 PM on 05/16/2012
Shouldn't this bloke be getting on with upholding and enforcing the law, rather than getting involved in social engineering and industrial relations?

Who does he think he is?
09:19 PM on 05/16/2012
This a a pretty good idea,if teachers at school was under the influence of drugs,would you want them teaching your children,like wise a bus or tanker driver, a doctor doing an operation.When i was in control of a fleet of vans going back 5 years ago,the drivers were sent home if their pupils were enlarged and black.Above all this is a health and saftey issue.
01:13 AM on 05/17/2012
I think you'll find, teachers do & have & are!
08:48 AM on 05/17/2012
I think its wrong, to take your drug habits into the work place,and unsafe,so there should be some sort of control.If your in your own four walls thats another matter.
08:44 PM on 05/16/2012
Hogan-Howe laying claim to a future in politics by any chance?

So, if employers do conduct drug tests and a number prove positive what happens next? Is the employee 'ordered' to visit a police station? Or do the Cops attend the workplace to arrest the individual bearing in mind we apparently don't have enough officers to carry out the duties they already have............
What a load of nonsense, it's a good job thinking and breathing is automatic...........................
07:53 PM on 05/16/2012
Yet again the police are passing the buck, why should anybody else do the job they are paid for.
They have all the latest technology but still fail miserably to stop drugs and illegal immigrants coming into the country. What a nonsence is this system of police bail, arrest a criminal give him or her police bail and then wonder how and why they have disappeared.
The police need to stop tackling the result of the problem and tackle the problem at source, prevention is better than cure, but that is something the over paid, pension safe, fat cats of the police service do not understand. The country is getting fed up of their imcompetence and continual whinging and whineing, so get out of your ivory towers, get out on the streets were you belong, and do the job you are paid for.
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06:48 PM on 05/16/2012
I know of a Japanese electronics factory in the UK who brought in random drug tests for it's UK workers like the drug tests common back in Japan. Unfortunatly the company wasn't expecting over 70% to prove positive on the tests as that didn't happen back in Japan and the factory boss was then put on the spot as to weather to chose between ignoring the results or sending over 70% of his workforce home and losing all production. He had no option but to carry on and ignore the tests.
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07:03 PM on 05/16/2012
Although I would like to think my surgeon and my bus driver would always be clean and clear headed while working, I wouldn't expect or even care whether the creative artist or musician I work with from time to time was straight or as high as a kite. Some jobs require a clear head, no question of it. Some jobs can often be done better with a little help.
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We just wanna be togever !!!!
07:59 PM on 05/16/2012
West Lothian Questioner - you obviously haven't been under the scalpel of a surgeon who turned out to be an alcoholic. I have and under his incapable hands I had three operations whereas a sober surgeon could have done it in one.
01:01 AM on 05/17/2012
Doesn't being high, help creativity? Well, that's what artists & musicians tell me!
05:48 PM on 05/16/2012
Makes you wonder on the one hand, if they'd be even more burn out / stress related work illness, if allowed personal recreational drug / alcohol, weren't by some employees? 50% of me agrees dependent on type of job / industry / link to mental illnesses. 50% disagrees with the intrusion of an employer into your liberty & GPs hand out drugs like Benzo with same downfalls like sweeties!
05:30 PM on 05/16/2012
drugs destroy lives

he is very right to be worried as well
jus like I would not feel safe having an alki driving me about or doing any other activity that needs people to be on control of their senses and in the real world

many police officers and security guards and other staff at various profesions do take drugs at work and off work which does affect others around them and their perfomance
time to grow up and give up their habits

WELL SAID AND LONG OVERDUE !!!!!!
AT LAST A MAN WITH THE COURAGE NEEDED TO TURN THINGS AROUND AND PUT THINGS TO RIGHT AND MAKE THE POLICE FORCE WHAT IT SHOULD BE !
10:38 PM on 05/16/2012
They would also have to test all employees for alcohol. Some people drive to work still half-cut from the night before. I have smelt alcohol on the breath of some colleagues in the past.
08:23 AM on 05/17/2012
very true the dangers involved in having to rely on people who are druged up ot half drunk or had even one drink all of the above impair their senses and our lives at risk
it goes to show their lack of sense of responsibility and that they have no conideration for their colleagues either.
At times if people cannot help taking either they should seek help and come opne about their problems and let others get on with their lives and not put them in danger.
01:05 AM on 05/17/2012
So do prescription drugs!
08:28 AM on 05/17/2012
there is plenty of tests done to rpove the danger these people impose on others and on prescription drugs labels it clearly states that you should not drive when taking them
I myself took drugs when in my early 20's and I too used to drink a bit too much at times
and I took prescription drugs at one stage of my life
but I would not endanger the lives of others nor get much done in the state I was in
people start with soft drugs and go on to harder drugs and some cannot help being alcoholics as it appears it is hereditary and in the genes however I have been blessed with such a disposition that I no longer drink to oblivion nor take any drugs whatsoever
and life ha snever been so good!
geting high on life itself is great thing!