Lorely Burt On Lords Reform, Lib Dems Fighting Tories And Elections Defeats

Posted: Updated: 21/05/2012 13:19

It's fair to say that a lot of people didn't expect Lorely Burt to be in parliament after the last election - the Lib Dem parliamentary chairwoman went into the May 2010 poll with a majority of 279 in her Solihull seat. Against the odds she came back, with an even smaller majority of 175 - and when I meet her at Westminster it's clear she hasn't forgotten about her bruising encounter with the Tories two years ago.

"There’s no love lost in Solihull, I can tell you," she says. "That nice Lord Ashcroft donated more money to fight Solihull than any other seat."

And it sounds as though the local elections earlier this month saw another bruising encounter. Burt said they were "fighting like Billyo in Solhill," and while she insists the relationship between coalition MPs at Westmister is professional, she makes no apology for the way she talks about Tories when it comes to fighting elections - fully expecting things to remain just as bitter when the next general election eventually arrives.

"I think we’ve already had the indication that it’s going to be no holds barred, because when you look at how they behaved in the referendum on AV, and that was quite shocking, in my view, it just showed how vehment and quite aggressive in tooth and claw then can be. So yes, we don’t expect any quarter in the next general election.

"Perhaps we have been too nice. We’ve certainly been naive in the some of the ways that we’ve conducted ourselves, but I think we can probably be forgiven since it’s the first time in 80 years that we’ve been in power," she says.

But I tell her I saw a couple of Lib Dem leaflets in this month's elections which were far from naive - one in the south west which said, ‘Vote Lib Dem to avoid Tory cuts', for example.

“Really?" she says, having not seen that leaflet. "Good on them. I can understand why some of them put that on their leaflets, because we’ve rubbed some of the hard edges off the Conservatives, just as they’ve rubbed the soft edges off us."

Even though the Lib Dems are still performing badly in the polls, sometimes coming in behind UKIP, Burt is highly positive about the Lib Dems' chances at the next election - and why not, since she's personally managed to defy electoral gravity in her own seat? I ask her about Clegg and Cameron's recent "renewal of vows" set-piece in an Essex tractor factory.

"I think they did well to choose the symbolism of it. A little blue and yellow tractor dragging us out of the slow of debt. This sort of rose-garden, love-affair type thing, that makes me queasy."

Should it always have been more tractor factory and less rose garden? "I would’ve felt more comfortable with that, but the relationship has developed. The story that the press wanted to write for the first year, I think, was it was the thin end of the wedge, it’s all going to end in tears - so in our first year I think we had to demonstrate to people that we can do well.

"It is a business-like arrangement, like running a company. You don’t have to like the people that you work with, as long as they are effective at what they do."

Burt is less outspoken in our interview than of late, particularly about Jeremy Hunt, about whom she was recently critical. Does she regret her recent call for him to refer himself to the independent adjudicator of the Ministerial Code, Alex Alan?

"It was just one of those sort of unguarded remarks," she says. "A journalist phoned me up when I was in the supermarket, and I just don’t stop to think before I speak."

So she's rowing back on what she said at the time? "As far as Jeremy Hunt is concerned, he’s going to have his time under oath. I did suggest originally that he might wish to refer himself to the independent advisor on the ministerial code. He hasn’t, which is his prerogative."

She's also surprisingly moderate on Lords reform - when I ask her how passionate she is about replacing the peers with a largely elected chamber. “Well on a scale of one to ten, probably about five.”

Really, only a five? Does she really think the reforms will go through? "I’m a democrat, but if it doesn’t happen, for whatever reason, I’m just going to treat it as pragmatically as I can."

I put it to her that the Tories might be able to get away with saying they've keep their side of the bargain, if they can get the Bill through the Commons but it then falls apart in the Lords. "Well, it becomes a point of pride, then. That would be an invidious position to be in, where you’ve passed some legislation and their Lordships weren’t having it. That’s very provocative."

"It’s such a tough one. We’ll just have to see."

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It's fair to say that a lot of people didn't expect Lorely Burt to be in parliament after the last election - the Lib Dem parliamentary chairwoman went into the May 2010 poll with a majority of 279 in...
It's fair to say that a lot of people didn't expect Lorely Burt to be in parliament after the last election - the Lib Dem parliamentary chairwoman went into the May 2010 poll with a majority of 279 in...
 
 
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Laatab
All The Worlds A Stage
09:09 on 22/05/2012
It's almost too painful to watch. Whenever I see Clegg sat on the bench next to Cameron I cringe with embarrassment on his behalf. It's like watching an american sit com where the school jock asks the uglest girl to the prom for a bet.
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honeynutcornflakes
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08:39 on 22/05/2012
Should the House of Lords really be involved in the decision-making process dealing with Lords reform? It's like a monarch agreeing that it would be best to step down to form a republic.
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casual agent
Advocate for social justice
23:54 on 21/05/2012
Hey'..The huff are on form tonight again eh?...Thats 2 they've deleted...How much does a freedom of information request cost...anyone?..lol
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casual agent
Advocate for social justice
23:49 on 21/05/2012
Naive' is not the term I would use'... Collaborators' and Quizlings'...might be a more appropriate terms to use?....But Ms Burt' must be dumber than I thought if she didn't realise that already.
20:52 on 21/05/2012
Get up out of your chair and cross the floor of the house and bring a couple of other MPs with you,or sit there and hope for the best!!
18:38 on 21/05/2012
You don’t have to like the people that you work with, as long as they are effective at what they do.

I think the victims of the prison camps would have something to say on that.
18:30 on 21/05/2012
England is on the verge of collapsing. You can't win there even if you win. You will have won nothing.
18:27 on 21/05/2012
it’s the first time in 80 years that we’ve been in power," she says.

Well the last 80 years should have given you a good indication as to why you should not be now.
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Mark B Robertson
16:36 on 21/05/2012
Lots of pain for very little gain for the Lib-Dems. They sure look like one of the deceased currently. The price of power coupled to extreme naivity has been a large one, but they chose their own suicide.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
15:50 on 21/05/2012
Dead Party Walking.
15:46 on 21/05/2012
Shut the house of lords doors and lock them up...nothing would be missed and that goes for the commons as well...parliament is disfunctional outdated and is a waste of time and money
15:04 on 21/05/2012
I bet the people of Solihull would love to know the names and addresses of the 175 idiots who saddled them with a Lib Dem MP.
15:01 on 21/05/2012
Lords reform is easy. Just stop paying them their attendance money, then see how many of them turn up just for a nap and a free lunch. They get more in a day than a man on job seekers gets in a month. And then they call him a sponger.
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Hugh Albert
Moderation in somethings
13:44 on 21/05/2012
Is this the right time to be engrossed in Lords' reform? We have a whole rake of more important issues to be considered, so why not leave the Lords' as it is for now? It seems to be doing a good job of holding Gov't to account.
15:07 on 21/05/2012
Is there ever/will there ever be a good time for constitutional reform ? I think it needs to be appreciated that most of the UK is entirely disenchanted with it's inert politics and that there is a deep sense of inequity towards those in power. The House of Lords represents both in my opinion. I am insulted by the illusion of democracy, accountability and fairness that we have in this country and making MPs and Lords more answerable would be a significant step in the right direction.
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Hugh Albert
Moderation in somethings
19:58 on 21/05/2012
Good point , and one I have no answer to. I read last week that the Lib Dems reckon that there never will be a good time for reform, Windowsill, so they may as well go now.
As for fairness and responsibility in this country, I wonder just how much remains, and I suspect not very much.
What I want in the second chamber, call it what you will, is an effective, unbiased revising chamber. The Commons doesn't seem to have the time to do a good revising job, even if the whips would allow it.
I have just about given up on MPs.
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clownzozo
Magician, Novelist and an Angry Old Git
15:23 on 21/05/2012
Isn't that why they want to reform it? Democracy is no longer allowed in England. (I have stopped calling myself British, or a citizen of the UK, I'm an indigenous Englishman a race subject to genocide.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
15:51 on 21/05/2012
And I thought clowns weren't funny!
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