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Gay Marriage in 2013: Will the Church Be Left Behind by History?

Posted: 16/01/2013 00:00

Change is a slow process. People usually need time to adjust to evolving social norms, especially when it comes sex - a subject we Brits struggle to discuss without giggling.

But sometimes history picks up the pace a little, pushing the unspoken and unresolved into the open. The year gone by was full of noticeable steps forward for LGBT campaigners on both sides of the Atlantic, and 2013 promises more big moments. Current momentum suggests gay marriage could become one of the defining issues of both the Obama presidency and Cameron government.

Here in Britain, the prime minister has promised to press ahead with plans to legalise same sex marriage. Last spring a Populus poll found 65% of people agreed "gay couples should have an equal right to get married, not just to have civil partnerships." Boris Johnson wants the government to "whack it through" and former prime minister John Major wants the Tories to "move on" by permitting gay couples to wed.

The political climate has changed considerably since the early 1950s, when only a few brave MPs urged Churchill's Conservative government to review Britain's sex laws following a flurry of arrests for homosexual offences (the actor Sir John Gielgud was fined for "persistent importuning" in west London).

Very few today would welcome a return to the days when homosexuality was the 'disease' that dare not speak its name. In much of Britain today, same-sex relationships are fast-becoming a matter of shoulder-shrugging ordinariness.

Attitudes in America are also changing quickly. Politicians (even those on the right) can sense the turning tide. April saw president Obama's landmark announcement in support of gay marriage, and last month Newt Gingrich told The Huffington Post of his evolving position. "It is in every community. The momentum is clearly now in the direction in finding some way to... accommodate and deal with reality."

The last days of the year saw the first gay wedding ceremonies in Maine, one of the three states voting in favour of legalising gay marriage in November's referendums. Legislators in Illinois are now seeking to make the state the 10th to approve marriage between same-sex couples.

So if the politicians appear to be moving toward the enshrining of equality, what about our religious leaders?

Blessings are not forthcoming. In the UK, leaders of the Church of England and Church in Wales (as well as the Catholic Church) have made their opposition to the proposed bill on gay marriage clear, despite the fact that no church would be forced to hold a same-sex ceremony against its wishes. Some smaller groups, including the Quakers, Unitarians and Liberal Judaism are in favour and will be able to 'opt-in' to holding ceremonies.

Not all Anglicans are happy about the established church's dogmatic position, one so out of step with 21st century Britain. The Church of England, after all, prides itself on a quiet, unfussy kind of tolerance. In the 1950s the Church's Moral Welfare Council was a key influence on the Wolfenden Commission's recommendations to abolish the law forbidding male homosexual activity (it was eventually made legal in 1967).

One recent compromise - before Christmas the Church of England let gay men in civil partnerships become bishops if they also remained celibate - suggests the Church is still capable of adapting to the world around it, however awkward the accommodation. There is now speculation that a top-level panel of bishops is discussing whether gay couples be allowed to have civil partnerships blessed in church (if they agree to the quaint charade of celibacy). By such messy adjustments, there is at least the possibility of the past merging into the present.

In the United States, the evangelical movement's traditional discomfort with homosexuality is less monolithic than might be supposed. The enormous diversity in approach to worship has allowed many young 'mission' churches to forge a new kind of tolerance toward gay members of the congregation.

Prior to the 2012 presidential election I interviewed a group of young evangelicals (some keen Obama supporters) about some of the subtle changes taking place under the radar. On a host of hot-button issues, young Christians are thinking differently than their parents' generation, and a trend toward a more moderate stance on same-sex relationships is evident.

Tim, 25, Christian and gay, has struggled to find acceptance after moving from church to church in his home state of Kansas. He was keen to make clear the strong prejudice still making itself felt in places of worship: "The issue is just too big for many churches to concede at the moment, but there is less hostility than you might expect.

"The shift toward acceptance is a matter of exposure. Being around different kinds of people makes us more cosmopolitan than we mean to be, even in a place like Kansas. Norms change. On a lot of social issues, things are easier for me than someone in my parents' generation."

John Shore, an author and theologian who blogs regularly on the topic, believes attitudes among young people have created an "inevitability" about a shift toward tolerance. "Things that used to be formulated and reformulated on the gay issue in Christian circles over decades are now changing in a matter of months. The case (for equality) is so emotionally compelling that its writing is on the wall for the years ahead.

"What made it easier in the old days to condemn to hell a whole class of people was that they knew no one from that class. But now, with the internet, connections with all kinds of people are impossible to avoid. Even in the small Bible colleges it's difficult to maintain the old insularity."

So if secular society is moving away from discrimination on the basis of sexuality, it seems many Christians are also beginning a journey of their own in the same direction. If the Church of England insists on 'this far and no further', it might find itself cut adrift from the life of the nation, and from very many people of faith.

 

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Change is a slow process. People usually need time to adjust to evolving social norms, especially when it comes sex - a subject we Brits struggle to discuss without giggling. But sometimes history pi...
Change is a slow process. People usually need time to adjust to evolving social norms, especially when it comes sex - a subject we Brits struggle to discuss without giggling. But sometimes history pi...
 
 
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Stan James
07:25 AM on 01/28/2013
lweft behind - it cant happen soon enough for a group of people who want to live in the past of 4000 years ago

All this bad material and thought comes from leviticus. Wonder how many religious folks think their daughters should be stoned to death for sex before marriage or their parents the same for working on the sabbath

Religion gave the world the dark ages of from about 500 to 1500 - no social progress, no economic progress, endless wars and mass murders, espeically of jews and muslims.

The sooner the better that religon is one sentnece - love thy neighbor as thysefl the better
01:44 AM on 01/18/2013
If God made Adam and cleaved Eve who made Tom and Andy or Jill and Judy for that matter?
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Stan James
07:27 AM on 01/28/2013
Adam and eve if they existed at all were bonobons - a flat faced gorilla that is our closest living relative.

BTW the bibile has be translated and retranalsted, written and re-written. it is now in some ways the book of Hades
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Mickey Mouse 1
There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
05:12 PM on 01/17/2013
Who cares about gay marriage or the church?
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10:07 PM on 01/17/2013
Gay people and religious people?
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02:06 PM on 01/17/2013
I think this is being written about a bit too much, what you have is on one hand, a backward thinking christianity (along with the catholics), who quote the bible left write and center, not understanding the interpretation, and not understanding the fact it was written by people, not the hand of god, then on the other hand you have gays who are becoming the SS of modern times, forcing people to accept what they demand. Accept the unacceptable and tolerate the intolerable, its all a joke
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02:38 PM on 01/17/2013
Clearly a voice of reason. What are you doing here?
03:29 PM on 01/17/2013
You are saying that I have said something that has made sence, oh dear things are bad
12:08 AM on 01/17/2013
It's no more correct to force Christians to accept gays than it would be to force gays to take on Christianity. People and the government largely understand and accept you if you dislike religion and don't wish to attend church, so why if you are a Christian is it required to like gays and have them under your roof ? It could equally be said that if you are a gay couple who have legally forced your way into all Christian Bed & Breakfasts that you should now be legally forced to go to church in the morning !
12:25 AM on 01/17/2013
Firstly, nobody with the exception of the more radical activist members of the LGBT community want to force people to accept gays. People are well in their right not to do so and anybody who says otherwise is wrong.

Secondly, that comment about the Christian bed and breakfast I'm assuming is a reference to a relatively recent case. If it is then the issue in that case wasn't due to a dislike of homosexuality itself. It was due to the fact that the couple running the B&B said that married people could share a room however they didn't recognise the couple as married. The couple in question however were in fact legally married which is where the conflict came from.

I personally appreciate the legal precedent of the case which confirmed that Civil Partnerships are Marriages in all but name, however I do not think it needed to go to court as it was something minor and petty
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Justinjuice
12:37 PM on 01/17/2013
Interesting comment re marriage which I havent really seen refectected in this manner before.
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02:15 PM on 01/17/2013
"... It was due to the fact that the couple running the B&B said that married people could share a room however they didn't recognise the couple as married. The couple in question however were in fact legally married which is where the conflict came from...."

Not quite.

The owners maintained (as did the B&B people in Cornwall) that the couple did not have a marriage in *Christian terms* i.e. A man and a woman.

I believe that the couple in Cornwall (Peter and Hazelmary Bull) have now taken their case to the Supreme Court, so the outcome there should be interesting.
06:51 AM on 01/17/2013
GOD joined a man and a woman together as one, there fore no Christian church can in any way "marry" homosexuals as it is not one man and one woman .Nor can the church recognise it with any sort of blessing as it would been seen as condoning a sin.
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hearthammer
If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
09:49 AM on 01/17/2013
In that case, the churches should be empty as nobody is without sin. Or perhaps you feel you are some sort of messiah?
12:59 PM on 01/17/2013
A blessing can be given in recognition and affirmation of love. That is allowed within the Christian tradition. The question of marriage is a different one.
09:48 PM on 01/16/2013
"Will the church be left behind by history?"

Playing devil's advocate (if that's not inappropriate in the context), why would gay couples hanker after the historical institution of marriage? If marriage has been historically defined as the lifelong union between one man and one woman, which is has, why would a gay couple want this? Can't a gay couple define the kind of relationship they want without reference to an historical construct that has nothing to do with them. Are they so unsure of themselves they must co-opt a particular historical meaning in order to make their relationships meaningful? Wouldn't the headline, ""Will gays be left behind by history?" be equally appropriate because surely if they make themselves ahistorical they will be left behind?
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Reith
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10:24 PM on 01/16/2013
I sometimes wonder if they aren't caught up in the romance of the idea of marriage.
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10:47 PM on 01/16/2013
Or possibly the notion of equal rights under the secular law.
11:07 PM on 01/16/2013
I think you're right, and I have nothing against romance. The story of Alcibiades' love for Socrates, and how he offered himself to him is one of the most beautiful, moving and human accounts of romantic love I've ever read. I like romance and so I like models that promote romance. 
09:20 PM on 01/16/2013
Saying that a catholic church would not have to perform the same sex marriage in our churches is the biggest lie yet.Once this law goes through the catholic church will be called a hate group because we will not perform the same sex marriage.The state will then impose their will on our conscience.
10:33 PM on 01/16/2013
Nonsense. The legislation for Marriage Equality has no effect or demands placed on Catholic or any Churches in the UK. This claim is a false one aimed at rallying the anti-Gay troops against anything having to do with Marriage Equality, that's all. The Catholic Church will be perfectly free to persist with it's antiquated, divisive dogma and peculiar "customs". Whether society considers Catholicism hateful or not will be determinded by freethinking peoples of the UK, but that determination may have already been made.
11:18 PM on 01/16/2013
Peculiar "customs"? no the Truth.I agree it's divisive because it's either good or bad.
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Justinjuice
12:43 PM on 01/17/2013
Well lets be honest for many people the catholic church is regarded as a hate group.
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Dan Belcher
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07:08 PM on 01/16/2013
Much of the weakness in Christianity directs towards to helping other people as one collective, a collective deprived of the unique individual.Our people can only look after themselves in respect to our community and should only ever have their unique persona reinforced along with a call to the heroic virtues of dedication and sacrifice.A religion for our people should be based more on nurturing the ideals of chivalry with a justified and and loving authority which stems from our higher spiritual learning.Ideological attacks on Christianity have had the purpose of alienating many youngsters from such a morality that is a necessary component of any society.This alienation has subverted our youth into the seedy and immoral globalist culture which leads to a decadent society with no sense of historical context, here is defined the difference between Christian morality and a belief in Christianity itself.
07:53 PM on 01/16/2013
So you want a peseudo-nationalist religion? I'm sure the fascist states tried something like that. Look how their 'morality' turned out. Furthermore can I give you some basic facts:
In the 1950's the average man drank 7 pints of beer or ale a day.
The rate of teenage pregnancies has stayed at a constant since records began back in the 1940's.
Back street abortions were commonplace in the 1950's.
Peadophilia was also happening, but wasn't even a crime.
Rape was legal within marriage and a wife couldn't testify against her husband, even if he had beat her black and blue. (Which was also commonplace)
London was classes as the worlds first 'gang city' back in the 1800's and just look how violent the Krays were in the 1950's and 1960's

Morality is a rather dubious concept, especially when you ascribe it back to an ideal that never really existed.
united dreamer
The meek shall inherit the earth, trust me
07:56 PM on 01/16/2013
Isn't the Anglican church a pseudo nationalist religion, with the head of state being the head of the church?
united dreamer
The meek shall inherit the earth, trust me
08:30 PM on 01/16/2013
With regards to morality, most of our moral precepts are Christian in source. And the ethics adopted by our society tend to follow these precepts. Although these days it tends to adopt a more humanistic approach, although humanism itself sprung from Christian teaching.
06:47 PM on 01/16/2013
Christianity was created by very learned men for a specific purpose.

To be a Christian in the true sense, one must be ABLE to carry out Christ's precepts. The 'way' to attain this, which is impossible for an ordinary man, is described in P.D Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous:

"The second way is the way of monk. This is the way of faith, the way of religious feeling, religious sacrifice. Only a man with very strong religious emotions and a very strong religious imagination can become a 'monk' in the true sense of the word. The way of the monk also is very long and hard. A monk spends years and tens of years struggling with himself, but all his work is concentrated on the second room, on the second body, that is, on feelings. Subjecting all his other emotions to one emotion, that is, to faith, he develops unity in himself, will over the emotions and in this way reaches the fourth room. But his physical body and his thinking capacities may remain undeveloped. In order to be able to make use of what he has attained, he must develop his body and his capacity to think..."

But the principle thing to remember is that, to attain anything on this 'way', one must first give up everything; one's possessions, one's former life and one's family if one has one. This is what traditionally happened when a man entered a monastery.
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06:34 PM on 01/16/2013
To answer the headline question - one can certainly hope so.
06:34 PM on 01/16/2013
What modern "liberals" fail to understand is that the Church of England is Christian and to be a Christian one must believe in the Bible as the Word of God. The Bible quite clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, so real Christians must believe that. The same is true of Judaism and Islam, all are faiths of "The Book". Judaism is several thousand years old, Christianity is two thousand years old and Islam is 1400 years old.
The beliefs of these faiths have survived for all that time and are not subject to change because of fanciful transitory secular fashions. That being said, few people of faith will condemn people for what they do in their private lives and are very tolerant of others different views - it is up to each individual to accept or reject God's will. However, modern homosexual pressure groups and social "liberals" are extremely intolerant - one might say fascist! They will brook no dissent from the bien pensant views of modernists, who want to destroy traditional beliefs and society. Is it right that everyone, no matter what their personal beliefs, should be forced to accept modern secular views? Of course not. Homosexuals have Civil Partnerships, which are equal with marriage in law. Marriage to a person of faith is primarily "the union of one man with one woman for the purpose of the production of children", how else is the human race to continue?
07:16 PM on 01/16/2013
Very well argued; totally agree with you.
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Philip J Sparrow
When your work speaks for itself, keep quiet
08:23 PM on 01/16/2013
You're easily impressed.
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Dan Belcher
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07:25 PM on 01/16/2013
Excellent post.Morals exist for a reason.They are fundamental in ensuring that the generations remember the right and wrongs of certain types of behaviour in order that undesirable behaviour doesnt become the norm in society.Undesirable behaviour that when commited en masse will threaten and eventually destroy the basis and continuation of a civilisation.If all men slept with men then no children would be born and if it became dominant in society then the vast majority of the next generation would be denied the right to life.
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08:17 PM on 01/16/2013
Well thanks for alerting us to the imminent extinction of the human race. I shall drop everything I am doing and find someone to impregnate.
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Reith
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06:21 PM on 01/16/2013
I'm not going to search back but almost every regurgitation of this topic comes with photos of two blokes holding hands. Where are the females?
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08:30 PM on 01/16/2013
Hear! Hear!
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